How are you all coping with knowing the F35 turned out to be a success in the end?

>LOOK WE FINALLY MADE AN F16 REPLACEMENT
>NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT ITS SHIT AT COMAO AND IT NEEDS ESCORTS TO DO ITS JOB
>JUST BUY IT GOY

Excellent, by 2024 Poland will operate more 5th gen fighters than Muscovites.

>NEEDS ESCORTS TO DO ITS JOB
t. retard

Most 4th generation packages in US Air Warfare doctrine require significant amounts of other assets to perform their jobs, namely; jamming aircraft, tankers, awacs, CAP, SEAD/DEAD, etc. The F-35 can actually perform most missions on its own as demonstrated in Red Flag exercises.

Stay angry Ivan.

So does your mom.

t.retard

>most missions
you mean when they used f22 for AA and the f35 for strikes cause they cant carry enough missile to defend themselfs after a DSP mission?

aka they cant do jack shit at comao sitiuations where the modern combat is all about?

t. retard
Implying a flight of 4 F-35s doesn't have 2x AAM and 2x Guided bombs each on stealth config where they have more than enough to defend themselves if they are even detected in the first place (unlikely).

>more than enough to defend

ah yeah i forgot this is the reality that usa always wins even when their armament doesnt allow this to happen

When it comes to air combat, has there ever been a scenario where the USA doesn’t always win? Maybe WWI, but that’s about it.

Mixed airwings was the plan from day one, what the fuck? Is the F-16 shit because you send F-15s alongside them? Fuck no.
Fact is the F-22 is a rapemachine, and the F-35 was always designed to make it even more deadly through the -81 and EO-DAS while shoving SDB-IIIs down the neck if anything with the gall to exist outside of a mountain bunker.

Pretty well because I've always had confidence in it's capabilities.

Relief and regret. Glad the thing is finally flying. Sad that it cost way more than it should.

when did you saw any decent air fight in general after vietnam?
never because usa never actually went on attacking any decent enemy just mudslimes

Well they're about to hit 80mil a pop, so we're little more than a few months away from F-16 levels of proliferation. We're gonna make it all back and then some.

It's a lemon

Too bad maintenace costs are a thing

Good thing maintenance costs are extremely affordable for the F35, especially in comparison to other stealth aircraft.

>all of Europe said no and is making its own fighter

Even Poland is buying it.

Which I assume you haven't looked at.
Because they're also lower.

Every time I hear some retard crow about maintenance costs, it's some idiot that doesnt realize that they are consistently lowered every time we build a new fighter and actually thinks that the F-4 Phantom had lower per-flight-hour maintenance costs than the F-15 because [smoothbrain bullshit and "but its older and simpler!"]

I am actually commemorating, fuck brrrt and spreyfags

You bring shame to {big tiddy NatSoc} Wendy with this abhorrent post.

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we never claimed it wasnt

>success

We are getting a top of the line fighter bomber that could plausibly tangle with a J-20.

youtube.com/watch?v=nLnfGF2CGuk

I'm going to fap to that

a strike eagle loaded out for a strike mission can only jettison its bombs and run away in the event it gets engaged in the air, it relies heavily upon dedicated CAP and SEAD flights to clear the airspace for it

an F-35 doesn't have to, it can just engage using the available missiles, a flight of four F-35's in stealthy strike configuration means 16 SDBs for ground attack and 8 AMRAAMs available for counter-air, if you feel like that's not enough you can just send another flight of F-35s at the same time for double the armament vs the expected threat

So we all agree the F-35 is the best jet to date? Do you think the europoor Tempest program will turn the tide and force Europe back to europoor jets?

The F-22 would eat an F-35 alive. That said the F-35 is a multirole that's much better against ground targets.

Don't forget the external pylons. Yes, you're less stealthy but you and load them up with cruise missiles and HARMs and fire them all off early then move in under stealth.

F-35 has a better radar, IRST capability, and 15 years of stealth development over the F-22. Allegedly has a smaller RCS from the front, likely due to the DSI and other small changes that are over my head.

F-35s are currently better equipped to handle fights against other 5th gens.

As much as I love the F-22 it seems to be the case that F-35 is actually more of a threat due to it's superior sensors. I'd love to see the F-22 upgraded with the F-35s EOTS.

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But where have we not had air superiority wherever we were, again excluding say for WWI

that's another advantage the F-35 has, it can carry the AARGM-ER internally
the only penalties are in weight and center of gravity shift, no drag or RCS penalties for carrying stores externally
and if you wanted to use the pylons then there's an extra 6 amraams and 2 sidewinders per aircraft, or any assortment of externally carriable weapons

>F-22 upgraded with the F-35s EOTS.
The thought of this made my dick hard.

Hnng

Very well. My heart fills with pride for my great nation. I sincerely hope it rules the skies for decades to come. Until it does though, I'm a skeptic, and think its overpriced scrap metal shit.

Not enough sadly. 36 fighters to replace like 70 of varying classes. It should be at least doubled.

Personally im upset we dont mass produce our own MiG 35 airframe with american designed radars/engines/etc. That would be pretty cash. V4 should come together to produce its own aircraft. Throw the baltics in as well as Ukraine (which does have the facilities and expertise) and it would be a party. Pipe dream desu.

Now that the Chinese and Russians are putting out their own stealth fighters, I think that should warrant upgrading the F22 and putting them back in into full production. They put too much work into that plane to just sideline it.

I hope they haven't destroyed the tooling.

not a fucking chance, contractors never throw anything away ever

Idk they did for the blackbird.

To be fair the Blackbird liked to blow up on the runway. I wouldn't be surprised that someone destroyed the tooling just so people wouldn't die in them.

>success
it's the biggest piece of shit ever.

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bump so other people can see how fucking stupid you are

stay fucking mad. and thanks for the bump.

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imagine this level of cope
no matter how much propaganda you throw at us, the contracts have already been awarded my guy, you can't get us to stop buying them
stay mad vatniks

>posting that buttblasted roach
kek

cope harder, shill.

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>Outmaneuvered by an F-16

What the fuck isn't?

Supersport motorcycles can be out maneuvered by a bicycle in a parking lot. Obviously the bicycle is the superior racing vehicle for motorsports.

>What the fuck isn't?
F-22.

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>OLD F-22

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>>OLD F-22
yes, and still better than "new" F-35... which is a piece of shit.

based unsourced twitter thread poster

Different jets that fulfilled different roles, brainlet. Look how many F-22s were made.

Literally every comment from that literallywho twitter user is either wrong or a misrepresentation of the standard capabilities and limitation of all fighter aircraft as something exclusive to the F-35. breddy gud 10/10 keep posting hearsay from some fag on twitter

all sources are in that twitter thread. go look it up.

also, latest disclosures:
defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/2019/06/12/when-us-navy-and-marine-f-35-pilots-most-need-performance-the-aircraft-becomes-erratic/

Name a more aesthetic plane. I'll wait.

Here's a tip pal, you literally cannot.

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*stealths behind your shitty Slav defenses*
heh.... nothin' personnel, third worlders

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It wasn't outmaneuvered by an F-16 because it wasn't fighting the F-16 to begin with.
>be test pilot
>flying a hot new jet with an advanced FBWS
>need to test the jet's FBW control laws as they're initially very conservative for safety reasons, wouldn't want an unexpected departure from controlled flight
>Need a frame of reference in order to more easily judge position in space and relative performance of the aircraft.
>buddy flies in an F-16 to fullfill that requirement
>do test
>land
>remark to the even bigger nerds writing the control laws that they're still too conservative and that they can be loosened by quite a bit, especially in yaw movements at high aoa
>nerds change control laws and and jet flies even better
>retards on the internet act like this was a test of BFM performance for the next 5 years.
Fact of the matter is that F-35 pilots prefer their new jets to their old airframes for the majority of situations and using BFM performance as the end-all capability for what constitutes a good fighter is retarded in the first place.

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This. This is why you can't have a good argument regarding this plane, because people are too retarded to understand even a fraction of the big picture when it comes to how they perform.

>success in the end
the only thing that's successful about the F-35 program is the amount of money that Lockheed and its partners have been able to extract from the American taxpayer.

Defense is nothing more than a gov funded welfare program for white and blue collar workers.

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Military funding is important and the F-35 is doing fine. It's the most well run 5th gen development program ever.

>what is an effective deterrent
You can bitch and moan all you want, but the fact of the matter is we are in the middle of the longest peace in the history of mankind. Killing muzzies and gooks with rusty AK's doesn't count.

It looks fat

your mom

f35 on paper should literally be a stealth f16 thats all it should be

i wonder just how much reflection the hardpoints and external bombs/missiles will give if they are to be used in day to day basis

cause if its miniscule and you have to assume that the enemy air force (IF decently equiped even a f16v with aesa is a threat now)will deploy a considerable force
(fun fact dont know who here remember when whole shitshow between greece and turkey back in 2006 when the mirage 2000 crashed on the aegean and nobody knew if it was a shot down or a pilot error the greeks within 5 mins (give or take i dont remember i need to check the mode-s data again) had 90 aircrafts up and running essentially blocking the aegean )
what exactly will an f35 bring to the table against a decently armed air force? (assuming they have MODERN shit and modern radars as well )
there are a lot of variables in a high energy theater its not just
>welp just load few f35s and let them strike

>The F-22 would eat an F-35 alive.
as a machine on a dogfight? probably so

in bvr? given the bastardize avionics of f22?(lets not forget that f22 has a relatively modern radar but its mcm is literally running at 150mhz a fucking early 80s junk that still (still=last time i check mid 2018)LM refuses to upgrade...f35 will probably eat the f22

if and i stretch the IF somehow LM gives a proper upgrade to the f22 then the f35 will be toast

>F-35 v J-20

Throw in the Pak-Fa and you got yourself a Battlefield 4. Too bad the F-35 handily wins every fight in that game.

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i bet you are a test pilot that already flew them all and concluded that
right?

>knowing the F35 turned out to be a success in the end?
It's still overpriced and the only reason my country is getting it is because of the nuclear weapon delivery thing. It's just that our faggot politicians, bureaucrats and generals were bought and payed for and couldn't care less about a coherent organization of its defense forces. I'm also very skeptical about any of its capabilities, pretty sure people are going to bitch about it.

>Who in the right mind would use VOLATILE JET FUEL as coolant and hydraulic fluid, and who would approve of that idea.

Using fuel as coolant isn't anything new desu

Which country?

Really? I had it figured for a stealthy F-18.

Both aircraft are stealthy so I honestly doubt they would engage at BVR.

being stealthy doesnt mean zero coverage..

Japan is not only buying more, but they are also using components from it to build their own plane.
rt.com/news/460350-japan-f35-jets-trump/
thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27601/lockheed-offers-japan-access-to-f-35-code-as-part-of-stealth-fighter-proposal-report

The detection range would be so short that they wouldn't get missile locks until dogfighting range.

>when did you saw
Russianet when?

The Raptor.
>upgraded F-22
Boner inducing.

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>They put too much work into that plane to just sideline it
You gotta cut your losses sometimes, nigga

>Half of Europe
literally nobody except for the US golem implant in Europe known as Poland. Poles will do any insane shit just to please their star-spangled overlords.
Every independent European country said no and is pooling money towards an EU-only project.
F-35 is the F-104 all over again. Lockheed can't make good planes for shit.
Maybe by the time it's a third-hand third-world aircraft, Turkey will have developed an upgrade package to fix the p.o.s.

>the US golem implant in Europe known as Poland. Poles will do any insane shit just to please their star-spangled overlords.

I didn't know Poland liked USA so much. Are you getting this notion from real life, or is it from the Poland Ball memes?

real life
>insists on buying US liquid gas and importing it across the ocean, just to *not* buy from Russia, while already having a pipeline in Poland feeding Germany
>even the US administration thinks this is stupid
>greatest US ally in NATO
>constantly aggravates neighbors both to the west and east of it
Poland did not get partitioned a zillion times just because. They suck at foreign policy and no amount of propping up their economy will earn you their loyalty. They'd (their patriots, at least) literally prefer to starve rather than concede even a *tactical* defeat to any neighbor. It's not like refusing to let an inch would be a bad thing, but they wouldn't give up an inch even if it meant going 2 inches forward tomorrow. In recent history, people like to forget that pre-WWII Poland was a fascist state that even annexed some "clay" from surrounding states.

tl;dr real-life Poland can be a friend only with countries sufficiently far away so as not to clash with Polish tarbonational interests

>literally nobody except Poland
Yeah if you ignore Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, and Britain.

German military wanted them too but Fuhrer Merkel axed it. Too busy neglecting their current military to ever entertain the idea of getting something half-competent. France is too busy blowing Dassault.

>German military wanted them too but Fuhrer Merkel axed it
luftwaffe commander literally got fuckin booted for talking about how the F-35 would stomp the fucking eurofigher