No Nazi apologism here but Nazi Germany was so ahead of its time:

losing.

Letting Goering or Himmler be in charge of anything. Just look at them.

Hating communism but then allying with the Soviet Union.
Having a "might makes right" stance and then losing.
Losing and allowing the Soviets to take half of Europe.
Ending and disrupting millions of lives to sustain a failing economy and feed into a moronic idea of superiority.

I’m gonna be real honest, I don’t even care if they were a good military or not, I just like them. I think they’re cool, and that’s all I really need to like something. As far as I’m concerned, they could be the most assbackwards military in the world, and I would still like them

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Agreed. As a non-supporter, I'm just glad their standardization was almost nonexistent

man sure would be awkward if instead of setting up a supply chain they spent all their energy and resources on setting up the logistics of rounding up a bunch of people and killing them because of stupid bullshit reasons, whooboy how embarrassing that would be

>killing them because of stupid bullshit reasons

Who do you think built the A4 rockets?

The only real technical advancement the Germans had over the allies was the type XXI Uboat which the US Brits and Russians copied after the war. Everything else the allies were either on par or had better equipment.

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Not winning

Completely inferior to soviet super science

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This. The British were the most advanced in jet tech (didn’t they invent it?) and the Germans couldn’t even decide whether the jets would be fighters or bombers

Kids leaving a farm field trip probably have a better grasp of agriculture than that dipshit.

That sounds awfully reactionary, user

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Haha wouldn't it be funny if after the military victories, the army was trying to administer the occupations and keep peace, but some group totally unaccountable to the army was taking up resources to terrorize the populace, creating stronger resistance movements which resulted in heavy-handed retaliations that only fed the anger against the occupiers?

>They even invented the helmets that American military use today
Nazi Germany didn't even invent the Stahlhelm, faggot, let alone the PASGT helmet that's only in limited use the the Navy and reserve components.

First surface-to-air missile (Wasserfall)

First modern grenade launcher (sturmpistole)

First battle rifle (FG-42)

First anti-tank launcher (Faustpatrone)

First shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapon (Fliegerfaust)

First anti-tank hand grenade

First (and only) rocket-propelled fighter (Me 163 Komet)

First ballistic missile (V2)

First cruise missile (V1)

First combination howitzer/anti-aircraft gun/anti-tank gun ((Flak 18/36/37/41)

First nerve gas (tabun, never used)

First 'stealth' bomber (Horton Ho 229)

First production helicopter (Fockewulf Fw61)

They did quite a number of firsts, honestly. First wire-guided missile, tv-guided missile, radar-guided missile, plane-mounted anti-tank weapon, anti-aircraft recoilless rifles mounted on planes that automatically fired when they detected an enemy bomber overhead, first corner shot weapon, all kinds of crazy things.

Wasn't the BAR a battle rifle?

>First battle rifle (FG-42)
>Designed six years after the M1 was adopted.
Jesus Christ, you wehraboos reach far.

Automatic rifle and probably today best classified as a light machine gun. It was meant to have a designated loader carrying magazines, not individually issued like a battle rifle would be.
I don't believe a battle rifle needs to be automatic to be classified as such (full-sized cartridge, not a manual action, individual's weapon) so the M1 Garand fits that.

>First (and only) rocket-propelled fighter (Me 163 Komet)

Nope.

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>Nazi Germany was so ahead of its time:
the US had comparable prototype jets and the russians had a fucking flying tank. kys yourself

That was literally the point of the Wunderwaffen program, yes. An attempt to supliment their lack of oil, manpower and supply with overwhelming technological performance. An interestingly albeit desperate tactic.

Automatic rifle. Slight difference.

Polish joke from the Second World War: What does the perfect Aryan look like? Blond, like Hitler. Skinny, like Goering. Tall, like Goebbels.

I think Heinkel did beat Whittle to developing a functional jet aircraft, but the axial compressors Germany used didn't have nearly the same durability of the British centrifugal types. The Meteor was airborne about the same time as the 262.

>First surface-to-air missile (Wasserfall)
>First shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapon (Fliegerfaust)
Ineffectual weapons.

>First anti-tank launcher (Faustpatrone)
>First anti-tank hand grenade
>First cruise missile (V1)
>First production helicopter (Fockewulf Fw61)
Wrong. Bazooka predates it, geballte ladung is literally just several grenades, kettering bug, and they only built two Fw 61's. The first real production helicopter was the R-4.

>First (and only) rocket-propelled fighter (Me 163 Komet)
Not something you want to brag about.

> tv-guided missile
Allies had this too

> radar-guided missile
USN had them.

> plane-mounted anti-tank weapon
No, they weren't the first to do this. Everyone had bombs and the Soviets had an 37mm AT cannon for their airforce before the Germans had their 37mm.

Why would you apologize for the last push for European homogeneity? Fuck off rabbi.

Imagine being so desperate for allies that you side with pic related. Now imagine being dragged down by pic related.

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Makes sense.

Do you like their military or the ideology? There is a difference

I heard that the British were expected to reach the moon first around the early 1950s but chose not to invest in it

>allowing the soviets to take half of europe
That was the allies

No, it was the Germans for starting a war and failing. Then making the boneheaded choice in 1944 to take their remaining fuel and heavy armor and push West in the Ardennes so that the Allies were were prevented from getting into Germany quicker. Making it even easier for the Soviets to keep their offensives up and make it all the way to Berlin.

Plus, Herr Hitler held on to his desperate delusion that the West would suddenly switch sides and battle the Soviets with him.

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ACH also looks like Stahlhelm

Fuck off Jow Forums

Based and Boromir-pilled.

>MUH SUPPLY CHAIN
>MUH LOGISTICS
1) people who spout this don’t know what it means
2) you can’t have a functioning supply chain when your factories and rail networks are being bombed to shit
Then add in the sheer distances which the German army had to supply its troops, the time crunch it was under, and the countries already limited access to resources

Just think, if Hitler wasn't such a massive fucking retard who invaded half of Europe because muh lebensraum and a strong dislike for tiny hats, the West could've united and killed commies with German Space Magic guns

But...you’re only making his point?

Stug III and IV would like to have a word
>allying
How is this a negative? It prevented war when Germany wasn’t ready, and it eased Stalin so that when they did attack, the surprise aided the invasion

Also, genociding the rightful Slavic inhabitants of the land. Everything that man did was absolutely wrong. Hell, he treated his own allies (read: cannon-fodder) abysmally.

His wording makes it out to be some fixable problem which the Germans were too stupid to address. Many people just cry logistics when it comes to WW2 Germany without understanding their nearly impossible situation

This is peak Wehraboo cope

Then they were even stupider for even starting the war to begin with. His generals could have become real heroes if they just killed him in 1939.

Hitlers Major objectives:
>Reinstate German land which was taken away as a result of the Treaty of Versailles
>Destroy Communism
Taking over Western Europe wasn’t his plan, it occurred because the French and Anglos got pissed off at his invasion of Poland (necessary to defeat the Soviet Union - also, fuck Poland) but then got their shit pushed in when they decided to step up.

If he just listened to the advice of his generals, Germany would have never achieved its most stunning victory - defeating France in 6 weeks

For as dumb as Hitler was by the end of the war, and how badly he overall fucked things, he was a large part of the early successes. His generals were not going to turn on him because of how much better their position as a military was due to the buildups. They only started to detest Hitler when it was his decisions that were directly leading to avoidable losses.

>Reinstate German land which was taken away as a result of the Treaty of Versailles
Remember when all of Czechoslovakia was part of Germany? Or Norway?
Remember when Hitler apologized for the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and how harsh its conditions were to the Russians?
"Wanting to reclaim land" is a BS excuse now and it was one 80 years ago.

>Destroy Communism
>necessary to defeat the Soviet Union - also, fuck Poland
Hitler had no real intention to actually fight Stalin until he witnessed how the USSR did against Finland. He was more than happy to ally with Stalin to attack Poland, to sign an agreement that the Soviets tank the Baltic states, and to continue trade and military cooperation.
He misread the situation, like the Soviets did prior to invading Finald, and it came back and bit him harder than anything else.

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Military for the most part, I’m very split on national socialism

Taking over Norway was a preemptive attack. Hitler regarded Russia as a nation of subhumans/ soviets/Jews/ etc., why should he care about Brest Litovsk?
Hitler absolutely planned to invade Russia, it represented everything he hated. Their abysmal performance in Finland just accelerated the start date. Also remember Soviet western expansion prior to Operation Barbarossa (incursion into Romania among other places). The two nations were on a crash course for war, it was only a matter of time. If you don’t agree you’re a brainlet

By preemptive I mean that British planned to arrive and bar Germany from Norway’s natural resources (iron ore?) which their war machine depended on

aesthetically yes, ideologically no

Germany shouldn't be bitching when America did the exact same thing but across oceans and warzones to get supplies both to her men in the field and for her allies. If anything Germany has less of an excuse as they had to go much shorter distances but they failed at that. If you can't run an efficient supply chain where you don't have fuel or ammunition problems you shouldn't be fighting a war is all I'm saying

They were 10/10 in aesthetics, no doubt. Their anthems were catchy, their political leaders were charismatic and entertaining, and their women were attractive. Also, I almost always root for the “villain”.

They were on the path to war purely because of the leaders and ideologies being rivals. But the idea of Hitler "just wanting to correct the wrongs of Versailles" is nonsense because he didn't correct a treaty which was equally ruinous to the nation it was imposed on. Furthermore, he instituted an armistice with France in 1940 which was even worse than Versailles was to Germany.
Stalin being an aggressor does not forgive Hitler of being one as well.
You can admit Hitler wanted to expand the Reich and take resources to eventually have a war which cemented Europe under his control and free from any Soviet threat. You don't need to try to sugarcoat it using propaganda that is easily debunked.

One thing I've never liked is the whole "Germany wanted no war with the West." I mean, besides the constant provoking and blatant disregard for treaties, let's consider facts: Alsace was historically part of the German Empire. It had a very large German population. Kinda like the Sudetenland. If Hitler was willing to invade Austria and Czechoslovakia to integrate "muh Aryans" into his empire, why should we expect that he wouldn't have invaded France?

Germany understood it could not win a protracted war with Russia, and it certainly could not win a war against multiple strong adversaries on multiple fronts. The country simply lacked the resources, even with the countries it controlled. They invaded on the presumption of success within a fairly limited timeline, they made truly impressive progress, but ultimately failed to achieve their goals, they persevered anyways. If you successfully invaded France in 6 weeks, it certainly would seem possible that Russia could be taken after their performance in Finland.

That whole thing is yet another excuse. The Germans had Plan Z to make the Kriegsmarine absolutely massive by 1950. Now what would they need such a plan for, to go against the Soviet Navy? Of course not, it was to rival and defeat the Royal and French Navies. As well as keep the American Navy away.
Hitler took delight when he managed to conquer France so quickly because he saw it as avenging what happened to Germany in WW1, right down to making them sign the armistice in the same train car. He would have done the same if he could have taken Britain as well. "Wanting peace with the West" meant submitting to Germany and actively aiding them.

I never said that was the only reason. I also never said that Hitler was some kind of egalitarian, whose mission was to make right all unfair treaties. I have no idea where you pulled that idea from, most likely your ass

Just because he enjoyed it does not mean it was his plan all along.
>why would Germany want a powerful Navy
Hmmm it’s not like Germany was ever brought to the brink of starvation due to a naval blockade, right?

Again, with his autism over integrating every German into the Reich, why should I assume that Alsace wouldn't fall under his gaze? The only things protecting Switzerland were mountains and banks.

Most of the American supplies traveled by sea, which eliminated the need for having railroad or any other land transport networks. Thats why they could get their shit anywhere they wanted easily. The Germans couldnt do this, they had to move everything by land, which is more expensive, slower and more vulnerable to air raids

It wasn't "ahead of its time" because germans were smart, they just pumped too much into rnd because they were dumb.

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>reinstate German land taken away by the Treaty of Versailles
Guess who controlled Alsace-Lorraine prior to WWI?

>pumped too much into rnd
>they were dumb
No you are dumb

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But that's the fatal flaw. They're entire doctrine hinged on the wars being short as history shows that tactic fails in protracted conflict. And rule #2 of planning, right behind always have a backup plan is to never underestimate

The axial type compressors were also superior from a design point perspective although the raw materials were not available to make them durable.

And guess who controlled it prior to 1870?

>2) you can’t have a functioning supply chain when your factories and rail networks are being bombed to shit
nigger their logistical support was a fucking embarrassment back during the Phony War and the Invasion of France back when they were the only ones throwing punches, the late-war bombing campaigns didn't help things but it's not as if they were competent before any of that.

>Then add in the sheer distances which the German army had to supply its troops, the time crunch it was under, and the countries already limited access to resources
the US could supply its troops from a fucking continent away, meanwhile the Wehrmacht couldn't deliver Hitler's bratwurst from his kitchen to his grill in the backyard even if the lives of the entire high command depended on it. They sucked dick because they didn't make the necessary investments in support structures before they embarked on epic campaigns to genocide most of Eastern Europe, it's not as if there were no improvements they could've made and their situation was entirely due to circumstances beyond their direct control.

>Many people just cry logistics when it comes to WW2 Germany without understanding their nearly impossible situation
except logistical issues were one of the main issues that the Eastern Front was a lost cause from the start (along with gross and perhaps willful underestimations of Soviet military strength. Their impossible situation was in part due to their piss-poor ability to move materiel around. Don't act as if they lacked the resources to invest in things like larger amounts of motorized transport vehicles (because they didn't), and don't act like you have a 250 IQ because you can identify reasons that the Axis lost other than logistics.

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>reinstate German land taken away by the Treaty of Versailles
I wrote it again in case you didn’t understand it’s meaning the first time - it doesn’t matter who owned it prior 1870. It was wrested from Germany because of WWI/treaty, as such Hitler wanted it back

I wonder if the Alsatians were even consulted? I bet a great many of them preferred a country where saying the wrong thing wouldn't get you visited by Himmler's goons.

>the US could supply its troops from a fucking continent away, meanwhile the Wehrmacht couldn't deliver Hitler's bratwurst from his kitchen to his grill in the backyard even if the lives of the entire high command depended on it. They sucked dick because they didn't make the necessary investments in support structures before they embarked on epic campaigns to genocide most of Eastern Europe
Saved!

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You're literally confirming his point you idiot.

Then it sounds like they should avoid war with the British.

Engaging in wrongthink has and always will result in government spooks kicking down your door. Doesn’t matter where you live

All silver medals to the atomic bomb

That’s a pretty cucked way of looking at things.
>someone is better at me at something
>no use in trying to get better, I should just let them keep their advantage

Agreed

Germany isn't going to be able to beat the British at the naval game while also needing an army big enough to fight either the Russians or the French. Bismarck new this, but Willy saw the big shiny battleships and ruined everything.

Then why was it that, during the Spanish Civil War, the French population regularly protested in favor of selling arms to Republican Spain, while the government and military were loath to even look at the Republicans without scowling? Thousands of French protestors were NOT rounded up and sent to camps. Just because political repression was the norm for Germany since 1870, don't assume that it was normal for everyone else.

>this one example proves that I’m right!
Wrong

The more I learn about the Phony War, the more astonished and annoyed I get. People so terrified of repeating World War 1 that they don't commit to a fight and it results in Germany achieving more than they ever did two decades prior. Had the British and French actually coordinated and made one solid push into Germany, the war could have been over before 1941. Or at least it would have put Germany on the defensive and cancelled their offensive plans.

retard

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No shit

>First 'stealth' bomber
No

The first modern camo pattern garments were issued by Italy.

Fucking up so badly. Hitler and his goons got corrupted by power but it happens to all humans who taste it

A lot of those where already innovated by Americans especially the rockets youd be surprised how much the germans actually borrowed from us

The British were in an economic depression in the late 40s-early 50s. They had to pull their military weight out of a number of countries and conflicts. It is one of the reason Europe in particular but also elsewhere saw a shift in military dominance from Anglo to US.