Is this unironically the most underrated IFV ever? Why aren’t we using it as an outright replacement for the M113 and using it to guard air bases and navy instillations as an all rounder counter to peer adversaries?
>packs TOWs and can take on MBTs >fast >CBRENE rated >can replace TOWs with stinger missiles and become an AA platform >fuck awesome chain cannon that can rape infantry and VBEDs >armored for 14.5 machinegun fire
Fuck with the MIC why aren’t we printing these fuckers out and using them for all our base security needs?
It's a good IFV. Why do you need to make everything some fucking "candleass best ever bruh competition"? It has obvious flaws, which are well documented. Railing against it for no reason is as retarded as praising it as the second coming of Christ. Just don't fucking do it.
Josiah Wilson
Fuck off faggot, find a better IFV. Also explain why aren’t we using them as general purpose base defense vehicles? Something the US military needs especially in places like Korea or Japan.
Penagon wars is like a baka test. If you cite it for an argument you are a baka.
Mason Price
>Is this unironically the most underrated IFV ever? Maybe, with all the bullshit misinfo spreading around due to a certain HBO TV movie. >Why aren’t we using it as an outright replacement for the M113 In a way it is, with the XM-1280 AMPV series entering production soon. >why aren’t we printing these fuckers out We've already got thousands of them, and they need replacement.
Liam Brown
Because it sucks and breaks if you look at it too hard.
Eli Edwards
Is great but damn that flat hull will get your ticket punched.
Chase Perry
We are replacing them with the Griffin 3 most likely.
An amusing satire, but why would anyone take it as fact or proof of some kind of negligence/incompetence/corruption?
Jack Gonzalez
>Also explain why aren’t we using them as general purpose base defense vehicles? Something the US military needs especially in places like Korea or Japan.
Because a humvee or m113 will do the job adequately and we have fucktons of them sitting around without anything better to do.
You don't need a Bradley to keep airsoft kiddos and hot blooded bosozoku off your property in Japan, and a couple Bradleys won't stop your base from getting shelled and srbm'd into oblivion in Korea.
Christopher Cook
its pretty much maxxed out its available power. between the ibas civ and turret, you cant really add anything else. also, how would you add stinger missles? its not a system you can just drop into whatever you want. platforms are built around what theyre needed to do
Luke Diaz
>how would you add stinger missles? The Linebacker variant comes with 4 stingers instead of Tow missiles.
Adam Martinez
Weren't there a lot of Bradley losses in Iraq due to IEDs which is why MRAPs had to be used?
Carter Martin
Replace it with the Puma.
Michael Robinson
Bradleys ended up being used more often than they would have because they were one of the better options to be in until MRAPs came about.
Anthony Harris
>Also explain why aren’t we using them as general purpose base defense vehicles?
I'm not sure you understand what a security force needs.
Even then, the movie itself is based more on the negligence/incompetence/corruption surrounding it's development and adoption. The actual design is fine, it's just that there's always a certain element of the political sphere which doesn't like the U.S.M. getting new, advanced vehicles, no matter what.
On a semi-related note, I looked up the Bradley recently, and got these three articles in a row >U.S. Military contracts design of new Bradley replacement >Bradley replacement having significant mechanical troubles with main gun >Super-Bradley project basically dead now I think that's the Military R&D spirit
>based more on the negligence/incompetence/corruption surrounding it's development and adoption.
>Literally zero mention of the three other programs that eventually became the Bradley >No mention of why certain changes were made and the doctrine involved in it >Focuses nonstop on wanting to test the effects of a penetration from a MBT cannon on an IFV when the results are already known >Tries to paint everything as 'some generals just up and wanted it one day so that's what happened!'
It's genuinely shit from a historical perspective.
Jace Morales
>doors filled with fuel to keep the passengers crispy
Justin Rogers
Gavin is fine.
Nolan Harris
There's been at least 3 different programs to replace the Bradley. All spanning multiple years, and multiple billions wasted, with nothing to show for it at the end.
It's to create a disruptive pattern with shadows that breaks it up so you can't as easily identify it as a vehicle. Same reason camo nettings look the way they do.
Jose Nguyen
The current one is actually going somewhere, The OMFV (optionally manned fighting vehicle)
I think they know, but are keeping it under wraps. 50mm gun seems pretty likely
Optionally manned . It must have the ability to conduct remotely controlled o perations while the crew is off - platform. 6 Capacity. It should eventually operate with no more than two crewmen and possess sufficient volume under armor to carry at least six s oldiers. Transportab ility . Two OMFVs should be transportable by one C - 17 and be ready for combat within 15 minutes. Dense urban terrain operations and mobility . Platforms should include the ability to super elevate weapons and simultaneously engage threats using main gun and an independent weapons system. Protection. It must possess requisite protection to survive on the contemporary and future battlefield. Growth. It should possess sufficient size, weight, architecture, power, and cooling for automotive and electrical purpose s to meet all platform needs and allow for preplanned product improvements. Lethality. It should apply immediate, precise , and decisively lethal extended range medium - caliber, directed energy, and missile fires in day/night / all - weather conditions, while mo ving and/or stationary against moving and/or stationary targets. The platform should allow for mounted, dismount, and unmanned system target handover. Embedded p latform t raining . It should have embedded training systems that have interoperability with the Synthetic Training Environment. Sustainability. Industry should demonstrate innovations that achieve breakthroughs in power generation and management to obtain increased operat ional range and fuel efficiency, increased silent watch, part and component reli ability, and significantly reduced sustainment burden.
Gavin King
Well that fucked up
Jaxon Foster
It's optional fuel tanks in the back that get emptied first and can be filled with sand otherwise. But by all means keep memeing, clueless retard clown.
Dylan Carter
Uses a crappy 100-year old track design that can't breach even basic barbed wire.
>Hey we'll always know when and if we take contact to make sure we're never caught with flammable doors. It has to be good! it's Russian!
Keeps sucking that HIV slav dick, slavaboo.
Christian Brooks
>Hey we'll always know when and if we take contact to make sure we're never caught with fuckhuge RCS. It has to be good! it's amerishit! Keeps sucking that HIV nigger dick, lardboo.
No BMP variant is even approaching decent. They have horrible ergonomics for the crew/passengers, terrible weapons, and tin-can armor. If you look at these programs the only one that was flawed from top to bottom was FCS, ASM and GCV were fine.
Tyler Gonzalez
>Make an argument >Shit yourself >Resort to retarded implications >Get shat upon >Squeal >Repeat Why are amerishit so ineducable?
Jacob King
>horrible ergonomics for the crew/passengers, terrible weapons, and tin-can armor As opposed to what, M2 Bradley with its aluminium can armour, pathetic excuse for a gun and enough place for a grand total of 6 passangers, lol? Pls.
>Make argument >buttthurt Russian wannabe says thats not how it is in his call of duty fanfiction >proceeds to sperg about the F22 in a Bradley thread >Ignores the Bradley’s superior service history compared to the BMP
Nathaniel Long
The BMP is made of low grade steel that gets torn open by M2 and Mk 19 fire while the Bradley can shrug off DSKh and AGS 30 fire
Luis Ramirez
Kek, not even the Germans manages to replace anything with the Puma
Lincoln Jenkins
>claim someone is stupid for the major fatal flaw of the BMP’s doors and retort with an idiot argument that it’s not supposed to have fuel in the doors if it gets attacked
Yeah, you a dumb dumb
John James
>fatal flaw they get drained before combat retard
Parker Anderson
BMPs are fucking dogshit outside if their intended purpose. They were meant to rush through the north german plains in great numbers and bypass bridges through their amphibious capabilities.
Those amphibious capabilities are the reason for many “flaws” that didn’t matter to the soviets, but has made the things nothing less than deathtraps in other conflicts. There’s a reason they’ve switched to seating the dismounts outside at all times and use them as battle taxis rather than close support in the ukraine for example.
Lucas Jones
How did you even manage this?
Jace Jenkins
>they get drained once the enemy gives them the mandatory 20 minute warning that they’ll attack soon
You’re the retard defending a stupid fucking design choice that puts the passengers at risk. If the Bradley had this feature you’d be bashing it as stupid you brain dead failed abortion
Kevin Walker
>mandatory 20 minute warning that they’ll attack soon by "before combat", i meant they drained the tanks before embarking on a dangerous route. the fuel tanks are there to extend range in safe territory, reducing logistical strain you're genuinely retarded if you think the crew would jump out in the middle of an ambush to drain the tanks
Elijah Gray
not sure if those are actual armor but if they are then it's just a way to use hundreds of an identical armor piece, which is very cost effective if they're actually seeing combat otherwise it's good camo, nothing really beats having real shadows and texture from actual 3d shapes
This must be why the doors were noted for getting so many BMPs destroyed in the Solviet Afghan war, right dumb dumb?
Hunter Gray
It's actually considered an unsung hero by those that know about it. There were some battles (can't remember which) where they escorted Abrams into a tank battle because the Bradley had better sensors. The M2s would snoop them out and the M1s would stove them in.
The problem is that it's not good at any one task and it's R&D was sloppy as all hell.
Now you can question my sources all you want but it's your turn to provide evidence that the development wasn't mismanaged. Considering the decade+ of development time and extreme expense I'd say you have your work cut out for you.
Andrew Clark
uh 25mm APFSDS-T is responsible for a large portion of the shredded MBTs that are still rusting in the deserts of iraq from the gulf war, not that the TOWs, tanks, and infantry weapons didnt help.
also our military is well aware of the need for a 30mm or 40mm weapon, everything designed as a potential replacement for the bradley since then has been armed with one and 40mm refits for the bradley have been on the table since the gulf war
Ian Collins
No. It is a garbage platform. I'm sure the M2A3s and M2A4s might be better, but I have extensive experience on the A2 and it is almost designed to murder the crew.
I actually made a photo album of all the warning signs in it that say "touch this and die". Shit has pictures of faces melting off and everything.
>Crew evacuations are a dick >gets so hot in the back that the HALON systems go off (this has happened to me twice) >Requires about 10 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of operation >The M242 Bushmaster chain gun is so touchy. If you don't load it absolutely perfect then it will jam. Happened to me a lot when I was new, now I train people how to do it right >If the turret is not at 12 o'clock and the Bradley is in a rollover, the gunner and BC are trapped inside. The turret door only allows you in and out if you're at 12 o'clock and if the hatches are closed and can't be opened or are damaged then you're fucked >To hold all the ammo and missiles that it is advertised as carrying requires literally tearing apart the floor to put in the ready-boxes, and with all the missiles you cannot fit your dismounts which are infinitely more valuable than the TOWs >if the tracks break or snap you could potentially be there for days trying to fix them. My old platoon sergeant's driver broke both tracks simultaneously on rough terrain and they were there for 3 days >IT IS SO GOD DAMNED HOT INSIDE THAT VEHICLE
My opinion? It works better as a tower than a vehicle. Take the turret out, make it stationary, and I might get back on the gun. Because as much as I complain about the touchy M242, it's crazy good. But the rest of the Bradley is garbage.
Source: Bradley gunner for 2 years, Top Gun in brigade
Elijah Butler
Damnit, that second half was meant for
Jacob Hall
that's because bmp was designed for conventional conflict where you can generally expect where the enemy might attack. you also have to keep in mind that the scope of the design was limited to blitzing through the rivers & forests of western europe, russian doctrine doesn't obsess over jack-of-all-trades designs like american doctrine does comparing the bradley to the bmp is comparing apples to oranges
Ian Taylor
Barbed wire fucks up most IFV's I witnessed an Estonian CV90 wrecking itself trying to ram through some obstacles we laid out with barbed wire and some trees. Trees made it takeoff for almost a full second and the barbed wire tangled itself into both tracks and the drivetrain
Landon Perry
>Optional fuel tank that gets emptied firsthand is a major fatal flaw of the BMP’s doors Keep squealing.
Bentley Cruz
says the clinically diagnosed retard (elite RIDF personnel) posting the equivalent of NO U and attempting to post intimidating pictures of outdated missile bait
Luke Bell
>that's because bmp was designed for conventional conflict It did that in the various Arab-Israeli conflicts too, where it didn't really perform stunningly. >comparing the bradley to the bmp is comparing apples to oranges They're both IFVs. If one cannot handle any situation other than the exact one it was designed for, then we can't really say it's a good design.
Camden Brown
All that being said, I will say the IBAS is some sorta dark wizard magic. There were times when our snipers were calling out vehicles like 5km away but couldn't make out exactly which vehicle, and our LRAS3s were only picking up the thermal outline of the vehicles. So we moved the Bradley to a different spot to get eyes on and we could make out individuals inside vehicles and call out uniforms or clothing. When using the FLIR we can make out vehicles or dismounts 12km away, though we may not be able to ID them. But that IBAS is a beast.
So like I said, take the turret it, make it a stationary defensive turret, and I think it would be golden.
Asher Johnson
>The BMP is made of low grade steel Retard alert. If you are willing to design your AFV around the general idea that every enemy on the battlefield will always be incompetent I won't stop you, but that won't make for a good AFV. >also our military is well aware of the need for a 30mm or 40mm weapon And yet it's not implemented, which is my point: it's ginormous, it weights like a fucking medium tank and it has a god damn chain gun for armament and paper thin aluminium for armour. It's absolutely not something that could claim to be better than BMP.
>Retard alert. That picture, assuming it's accurate, doesn't really back you up that much- The BMP-3 is made out of aluminum and the armor values listed will not protect against the 25mm cannon on the Bradley. >it's ginormous It's no bigger than any comparable IFV. >it weights like a fucking medium tank And? Armored vehicles have trended upwards in weight for a while now. >and it has a god damn chain gun for armament The M242 is a far better weapons system than the awful mix that the BMP-3 has. A useless low-pressure gun, an ATGM that's too small, an inaccurate and obsolete autocannon, and 3 machine guns for some reason. >paper thin aluminium for armour The BMP-3 is also made from aluminum with steel armor- just like the Bradley. Still in the cards. The KF-41 and Puma are being considered for OMFV.
John Turner
>Puma Lol >KF-41 We'll have to see. They partnered with Raytheon as far as I know so the chances are higher for it to be chosen.
James Hill
>Lol It's got a good chance of being entered. SAIC and Boeing already did some work for GCV on it.
Elijah Taylor
It's a Marder with upgrade armor and firepower, nothing special unless you want to transport pregnant women.
Juan Williams
Bradley Cost $3,166,000.
M113 Cost $500,000,
3 Million plus sounds like an awfully lost of money just to have your soldiers pal around on the back 40...
Brayden Hall
Is that from a test range?
Elijah Rogers
>The BMP is made of low grade steel Nice goalposts moving. Retard alert. >It's no bigger than any comparable IFV. Comparable by what metric, retard? It's a paper thin aluminium can with a chain gun for armament. >And? And it's a paper thin aluminium can with a chain gun for armament and absolute dogshit mobility. >The M242 is a far better weapons system than the awful mix that the BMP-3 has >Waaahh, my tiny chain gun good, your autocannon bad! BAD! Your opinion about what's "better" doesn't mean shit, imbecile. BMP-3 can bake anything that doesn't have over 750 mm worth of RHA behind ERA like fucking hot pies. And M2 has what, 25 mm chain gun and a couple missiles? Nigger, even BMP-2 is better than that. >The BMP-3 is also made from aluminum with steel armor- just like the Bradley. And it's much lighter, smaller, better armed, amphibious and has more passenger capacity.
BMP-3 can bake anything that doesn't have over 750 mm worth of RHA behind ERA like fucking hot pies.
With its 100mm ATGM, which are far weaker that the 152mm ATGM carried on a Bradley.
The BMP-3 carries the same amount of soldiers, is less armored, has less firepower and doesn't even have thermal sights.
Thomas Myers
>BMP-3 carries the same amount of soldiers, is less armored, has less firepower and doesn't even have thermal sights. I love it how everything you just said is wrong. Nice fart into a puddle tho, try again.
Caleb Thompson
armored systems modernization did not include a Bradley replacement
>MUH ALUMINUM It's rated to stop heavier fire than the BMP-3.
Adam Jackson
It's almost like the bradley isn't an apc or something.
Logan Moore
The last Linebacker, and with it the last Bradley capable of firing Stingers, was converted to a generic M2 in '06. You can't just pull a TOW out and replace it with a pair of Stingers, the capability is gone and it'd be fucking expensive to replace. Might as well just field a purpose-built AA platform which is why they scrapped the Linebacker concept in the first place.
Jayden Powell
POOPIEESS
John Robinson
please leave and do not come back until you turn 18
Lincoln Perry
American aluminium>slav """""steel"""""
Aaron Morgan
>American aluminium Americans don't know how to pronounce aluminium.
Elijah Morgan
>fuck awesome chain cannon that can rape infantry and VBEDs
that cannon is literally the worst of both worlds for a vehicle weapon >too small to take on armored targets >too small to carry a large projectile payload >too large to carry more ammunition >large enough to require a turret
it should have just been a metal box with TOW missiles and a 6 50cal brownings
