Why aren't counter-balanced guns more popular in the west? KRISS is shit compared to this

That's because the AR is actually better than the competition. Every other gun is compared to the AR, and always comes up lacking.

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I don't even own an AR, but realistically speaking they're lightweight as fuck potentially sub-MOA semi-automatic rifles with almost zero recoil, there's really nothing left you can do with cartridge based firearms to really give that a run for it's money.

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>KRISS is shit compared to this

KRISS is shit, full stop.

>Counter-balanced guns only really work when you're firing in full-auto.

this

Counterbalance design, it's weird, but damn it gets cool results.

Shut up noguns.

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If one came out you wouldn't buy it because you'd complain about the price and the company that made it wouldn't be able to recuperate R&D costs

>Counterbalance design, it's weird, but damn it gets cool results.
that right there is true magic. that kraut magic is just a meme.

Instead of the full gun they could just sell convertion kits, like Tommy Built who is quite popular amonst HK fans since he can convert your import compliant garbage into real HK clones

I would argue with all the developments in AR technology, there's no need for a counter balance system, in an AR at least. AR's already have among the lowest recoil because of the gas system, coupled with an adjustable buffer system tuned gas, and a good brake (which is also a big part of the Russian counter balance systems), you already have a flat as fuck shooting rifle. Check out this video of a 308 AR barely moving when lightly braced against a pole.
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>Counter-balanced guns only really work when you're firing in full-auto
Recoil still exists in semi auto. You don't feel a difference on something like a semi auto Kriss Vector because it's a pistol caliber and recoil is already low to begin with.

>Recoil still exists in semi auto
But if only one shot comes out there's no need to have a balanced action, just reset and fire after the recoil recovery.

You can still benefit in semiauto but theres a big weight and energy tradeoff.

You mean counter-balance or counter poise?

Regardless, the effect isn't worth the expense most of the time. Balancing the recoil spring with the recoil so the bolt doesn't slam is very technical and needs frequent maintenance as the spring wears out. A system like the AK-108 adds more parts.

You basically need two bolts worth of material in the design, though. Counterpoise is better but harder to do.

>Why aren't counter-balanced guns more popular in the west?

107 series gas tubes or kits have not been deliver-, excuse me; "made" yet.

too many moving parts to be for general purpose military use.
remember, an idiot 18 year old needs to be able to disassemble and reassemble it.
also,
there isn't really a civilian market for this. owning a kriss is like owning a 5.7; the things that make it cool are not available to the average person

The only extra parts are literally in the gas tube, all it does is short strokes the AK. The AK itself never had a buffer spring for the bolt carrier. one extra rod is literally nothing.

Following your logic nobody needs a muzzle brake on their ARs, and all the competitive guys have just wasted their money for nothing

>too many moving parts to be for general purpose military use.

It's not the AN-94.

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kriss doesn't have a use for any person, its kinda cool though. That goes for machine pistols and SMGs generally.

>The industry has dug itself into a whole. We're going to be stuck with ARs
>"The near-perfect blend of modularity, reliability, affordability, accuracy and versatility has been obtained in this matured field of centerfire small-arms, therefore the industry has dug itself in a hole"
Okay.

Blame the NFA and worldwide gun control.

Before it any gun company or tinkerer could keep their niche and innovative weqpons models viable by selling it to curious rich civilians or foreign goverments without paying shitloads of taxes.

Its a shame we'll never have a modernized version of Bannerman's Arsenal today.

Well gee if someone else can come up with something that manages to obviously trounce the AR maybe we'll get out of this rut.

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there's lots of concepts that just aren't being worked on cause we've reached a universal "good enough." Not perfected just not worth replacing. There's lots of tech just waiting to be polished up significantly, bullpups might theoretically be good someday.

they're more expensive and don't actually work that well

reliability

Because it's irrelevant for the semi-automatics and manual actions of the civilian market. And more mortars are a better investment for killing dudes than a marginally better rifle.

How well does this system scale? Can you incorporate it into something larger than a rifle and still be practical?

You mean the same competitive guys who tune their rifle to the edge of reliability for minimal recoil impulse? And who don't have to deal with shooting beside 30 dudes all with brakes?

The point of the balanced action was the same as the H Y P E R B U R S T or the multiprojectile cartridge designs.
In the vast majority of conflicts you're not shooting for splits.

This is your brain on /arg/

No /arg/ wouldn't mention modularity or affordability because they like overpriced meme guns with proprietary parts.

volume of fire > shooting precisely

Are you denying the AR isn't more or less the end-game for centerfire rifles? Until some sort of revolution happens with ammo it's pretty much going to be the template for service rifles.

>bullpups might theoretically be good someday.
How much longer do we have to wait, it's been a half century and everyone who adopted them as standard are ditching them for traditional assault rifles...

Mayhaps. "Recoilless rifles" do something similar but instead of using an object of equal weight going towards the muzzle, it just blasts gas in the opposite direction to counter the recoil. It isnt really worth going with the counterweight option in such a large weapon because the weight would make it too difficult to hold. I wouldnt want the recoilless rifle's system scaled down either because with the way we wield conventional rifles we would get sprayed with gas.

Until we can link the trigger with anything other than a metal rod.

Funny how we live in a time where soldiers are more educated and smarter than ever before, yet anything new or innovative is "too complicated" for them.

Just put the gas port in a shoulder thing that goes up so it sprays gas at the person behind you.

You might as well put a tactical periscope on it if youre gonna go big

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