Daily reminder 20" is the correct barrel length

Jackson Roberts
Jackson Roberts

You should buy your AR15 in 20", everything else is carried by homosexuals and not aesthetic.

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Levi Evans
Levi Evans

tfw the faxon 20" barrel was out of stock everywhere.
settled for 18"
not sure if it matters ultimately

Kayden Thompson
Kayden Thompson

Your damn right. 20" barrel is the only barrel length for an AR15. Reminds me of my M16A2 I was issued when I served. I see all the DVD's on YouTube about the kids using the M4. Let me tell you, I am not impressed. Even if I were 20 years younger, 40 pounds lighter, and deployed to Afghanistan I'd take a 20" over a baby barrel any day.

Hudson Morris
Hudson Morris

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Luis Taylor
Luis Taylor

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Isaiah Lee
Isaiah Lee

this post is retarded

Connor Parker
Connor Parker

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Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

Is everyone on this fucking board so insecure they have to constantly validate their purchase by shitting on everything else?

They're all good guns you fuck ups.

Jose Long
Jose Long

A2>A1

Aiden White
Aiden White

spotted the nogunz

Jace Rivera
Jace Rivera

I'll agree that the irons and birdcage are better on A2's.
Build an AR, they're adult lego sets.

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Cameron Jones
Cameron Jones

Shitting on others is entertaining. Most of the people on Jow Forums are lonely or bored, getting into arguments and shitting on others is a somewhat interesting activity that costs nothing and is a great distraction from their imperfect lives. The more caustic or controversial, the more responses, and thus more entertainment. This goes both ways, as the OP and the anons responding are actively engaged

Xavier Sullivan
Xavier Sullivan

I own an AR.

My post still stands.

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

People forget that two people arguing on the internet probably aren't mad at each other and are just keeping themselves amused or being inflammatory to drive discussion. This is a culture where "kill yourself you fucking faggot" is just punctuation.

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

18" is as long as an AR should ever be. And that's for a DMR build.
Also a carry handle? Not even once.

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

Did you forget where you are?

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

Interesting to see reddit's take on all of this

Elijah Bennett
Elijah Bennett

Wrong! 21in is best

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Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

Why not have both 20" and 16"? Are poorfags so poor they can't afford another upper assembly? And then buy a stripped anderson lower on sale for cheap, and then buy a LPK for cheap/sale and have 2 assembled ARs?

Hunter Davis
Hunter Davis

not gonna make it user

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

Alright its time to out myself
Can someone explain to me the differences between an A1 and an A2?

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

A2 looks better, it has a better barrel, the rear sight is fully adjustable out to 800 yards (600 on a A4) Only thing a A1 has going for it is... well really nothing.

Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

A 20 inch barrel belongs on your general purpose build (M193 defeats level III plates this way), an 11.5 inch barrel is meant for your HD build. A 16 inch barrel ends up being the worst of both worlds

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Cameron Phillips
Cameron Phillips

based and 20inched pilled

Justin Thompson
Justin Thompson

A2 better then A1

Based, never got the allure of the A1.

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Ryan Brooks
Ryan Brooks

20", heavy barrel, fixed carrying handle, 62gr
As G.od intended

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

Reminder 11.5" is peak for civilian use due to compact size and more than enough power for ranges they would be realistically expected to be shooting

Cooper Scott
Cooper Scott

Think fast, a 'yote is eating your chickens 301 yds away, how do you save them huh ?

William Butler
William Butler

Half convincing boomer
You need to mention colt and how no one needs high capacity magazines

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

this is a fucking terrible take. A2 ergos are awkward for anything but prone. the new sight is good but mostly unnecessary for a GI rifle when the 5.56 is flat to 300yrds. pencil barrel ar 20in is a better choice when you need to take it anywhere but from the car to the bench. I'll give that the A2 is technically a better built machine, but like many US army projects it began the drift away ffrom the original design desires.

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

The A2 profile puts the weight of the barrel towards the muzzle instead of in front the chamber where it belongs, so it is a heavier rifle without a sturdier barrel. Its chamber reciprocates SS109/M855, which is objectively inferior to M193 Ball with respect to terminal and external ballistics due to the steel insert, the latter ends up actually exceeding in armor penetration with its superior muzzle velocity. The A2 is the first AR-15 derivative to feature a burst fire control group, which results in a heavier trigger pull weight in general whether firing automatically or not. The A1 was just a better rifle on the whole

Adrian Rivera
Adrian Rivera

20 inch AR with straight 20 rounder mags is PEAK AR15

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Jason King
Jason King

disgusting bolt on carry handle
it is like you're not even trying

Easton Gray
Easton Gray

A4
The 20 round magazine is just lipstick on a turd

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

i like it :(

David Perez
David Perez

Is that the brownells repro scope? How do you like it? I want to cop one.

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Angel Russell
Angel Russell

It still outclasses AK-47 derivatives so long as you are not in the same room as its user

William Hernandez
William Hernandez

28 inch master race here

Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

Slightly better buttstock if you have long arms, worse aesthetics, marginal differences everywhere else.

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

loses velocity
also loses accuracy due to barrel whip

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

An extra 8 inches of exposed barrel to burn yourself on because 5.56 heats up barrels really fast for some reason

Evan Richardson
Evan Richardson

Its chamber reciprocates SS109/M855
what are you even trying to say here

Austin Baker
Austin Baker

Why would you have a 28 inch barrel? That actually makes bullets slow down

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

That the additional free bore in an M16A2's chamber accommodates the higher pressure resulting from M855's powder and grain, as opposed to the M16A1's SAAMI .223 chamber which was only rated for M193, M196, and all other 5.56mm cartridges predating 5.56 NATO

Connor Rogers
Connor Rogers

better barrel
Yikes

Jacob James
Jacob James

No, I cop'd it off of e-bay. It's one of the later japanese repros. I haven't fully tested its accuracy yet but it's very nice to have.

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Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

Based 20"poster

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

A2 fags are just the zoomer version of wood furniture fags.

Your aesthetic is shit.

Angel Smith
Angel Smith

not having the superior 20" barrel
Laughs in 1:12

Jace Sullivan
Jace Sullivan

Shoot them, are you implying an AR pistol can't shoot that far?

Adrian Diaz
Adrian Diaz

A2
better barrel
You misspelled 'retarded'

Liam Price
Liam Price

God intended the original pencil barrel.

Adam Cox
Adam Cox

24 inch is better

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

I like pencil barrels that overheat and are less accurate due to barrel whip

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Hudson Martinez
Hudson Martinez

A2 replaced full auto with burst.

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

As long as you don't treat your rifle like a SAW, which is exactly what they did in the 'Nam

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

What an ugly monstrosity

Nicholas James
Nicholas James

The barrel is more accurate than you are.
The pencil barrels were fine in the full auto A1.
But do educate us how a constriction in the middle of the barrel for a grenade launcher is better.

Kayden Young
Kayden Young

18"
1:9
M193 55gr

Levi Baker
Levi Baker

yeah bro

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Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

Anyone else deploy with an A2? Smacked the barrel on every doorway I walked through.

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Jacob Torres
Jacob Torres

What optic is that

Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

m68

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Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

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Owen Morris
Owen Morris

Someone help me, i lost my a2 aesthetics folder

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

What's the best cartridge for an SBR?

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

The pencil barrels were fine in the full auto A1.
it wasn't, hence it was dropped.

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

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John Ross
John Ross

Based

Anthony Richardson
Anthony Richardson

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Parker Jenkins
Parker Jenkins

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Jaxon Brooks
Jaxon Brooks

I hate that piece of shit so much, we finally got M4s and I almost cried

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

Takes one to know one.

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

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Robert Parker
Robert Parker

SO FUCKING BASED SO FUCKIGN MUCH

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Kayden Cook
Kayden Cook

It was dropped due to a misconception that the thinner barrels were bending under hard use, because straightness gauges were getting stuck in the bore.

The reality was that a burr was forming at the gas port when it was drilled that captured jacket material and fouling, causing the gauges to stick. This was discovered after the A2 had already been decided on.

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

I had to teach the CO how to work the collapsible stock.

Nolan Reed
Nolan Reed

Like many of you, I too did not notice the einzelfeuer being practiced by M16A2 users. This film really demonstrated the waning relevancy of small arms among the occupying force too

Ethan Campbell
Ethan Campbell

I agree OP, but that really should be a pencil profile barrel. Govt profile was a mistake. The A2 program should have stopped at the round handguards, everything else was a waist of time.

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Dominic Long
Dominic Long

Worst twist rate, 20" 1:7 masterrace.

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

why is this internet hate machine so darned mean?
Honestly was looking into an 18" barrel for an AR with a full length gas system.

Chase Anderson
Chase Anderson

That's not 1:14
only having one AR
Lmao it's like you don't shoot thousands of rounds of m193

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

What’s that Fritz? We only used burst when we were mag dumping to fake our brass collection count after field exercises.

Seems like they stopped using helicopters as ambulances too. Only time I ever called one, TOC was like “it’s too hot, you better run out like in the movie”.

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

*clears your room*

Nothing personnel kid

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Daniel Gomez
Daniel Gomez

How are you going to clear a room, you can’t even make your bed.

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

Fritz
I employ the term einzelfeuer because that is the original, historical designation and "single fire" or "semi-automatic" are retarded descriptions. Additionally, S/E/F looks better on the selector markings than Safe/Semi/Burst or S-1-3

Austin Reed
Austin Reed

I'll put my 11.5" match grade barrel against any milspec 20" barrel anyday. I get 1/2-3/4" groups @100yrds with PMC bronze.... 64gr match ammo shrinks it down to less than 1/2" plus it's lighter and with the can, it's still less than 18" i shoot out to 600 with it just as easy as you please.

Sebastian Williams
Sebastian Williams

Sir, except for the boys in blue I think they get a pass. Getting in and out of cars every day requires a maneuverable platform and I don’t care if criminals have to feel getting shot by lower power rounds, fuck them. God bless all law enforcement.

Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

No... No they are not... Maybe a match grade barrel vs a average Joe. But a off the shelf barrel that's made on a production line is usually sub-par on accuracy and doesn't meet high standards some of us need.

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

Not with that shitty brace

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

Your AR's 20" barrel needs to be a 1:14 twist, anything else is for homosexuals and not peak performance

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

What is the ideal length for an AR-9 barrel with a "pistol brace"?

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

S/E/F looks better on the selector markings than Safe/Semi/Burst or S-1-3
Looks better, Fritz? American A2s are always in one shot one kill mode. No need for switches.

Carson Russell
Carson Russell

Don't you mean "airsoft?"

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

The problem, John, is that the burst cam makes two out of every three trigger pulls on "semi" all fucky

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

Go fall into the Grand Canyon taking a selfie zoomed

Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

I can smell the cotton candy juice in your jul from here. Imagine not being able to afford a pistol, 16, 18 and 20.

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

A2
zoomer
If you’re going to be a memeing faggot, at least get it right.

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

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Dylan Stewart
Dylan Stewart

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Brandon Ward
Brandon Ward

I am a pedantic faggot, please rape my face

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

I'm all right with my posts being indistinguishable from those over at reddit or AR-15.com

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

Barrellets get out

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John Clark
John Clark

three inch flash hider
That doesn't increase your muzzle velocity

John Garcia
John Garcia

Nah it just expands dong

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

former POG manlet here, i can’t name how many times i’ve been chin checked by an A2 stock.

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

Pat rogers says anything less then 14.5 is for retards.

Ethan Thomas
Ethan Thomas

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Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

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David Cruz
David Cruz

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Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

flashlets can't into hiding

Hudson Sullivan
Hudson Sullivan

waist of time

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Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

Noiselets can't into concussion

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Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

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Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

What does that even mean?

Noah Morales
Noah Morales

semi-automatic
direct impingement
AR-15 is not an assault rifle
thinking a SAAMI .223 chamber does not accommodate 5.56mm ammunition like M193, M196, etc.
These are all mistakes commonly made by the initiated and belong on reddit

Kayden Lopez
Kayden Lopez

Pseudo FAL aesthetics, I dig.

Levi Campbell
Levi Campbell

Only some AR15’s are assault rifles.

Ethan Baker
Ethan Baker

20" or go home. You communist.

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Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

All AR-15s produced my ArmaLite are assault rifles, most produced by Colt's MFG are not, plenty of AR-15 derivatives produced by neither are assault rifles. The term AR-15 as any sort of distinction is a shitty one

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

An SBR can be damn accurate, but that 20" is still going to hit a lot harder at any range.

Joshua Thompson
Joshua Thompson

a plain 55 grain pill exiting a 20 inch barrel at 3125 FPS will ventilate you and your level III plate
your bonded, 62 grain soft point leaving your 11.5 inch barrel won't even dent his plates
lel

Logan Hughes
Logan Hughes

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Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

Congratulations, the bed sheets must now be washed

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

Why bother when your wife is just going to get them dirt again desu

Ian Cook
Ian Cook

My new piece, goodbye cheeks. I hate being a lefty.

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Jose Price
Jose Price

Didn't I already tell you not to give away free lewds sixteen?

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Jackson Green
Jackson Green

I wasn't aware the japs were making airsoft repro scopes in the 70's. Tell me more.

Luis Martinez
Luis Martinez

yup

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Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

Where do match grade barrels come from, dimwit?

William Rivera
William Rivera

This is excellent bait

Adam Ramirez
Adam Ramirez

what the hell did you do with that rifle?

Andrew Gray
Andrew Gray

not 1/7” twist

Uhhhhhhhhh

Isaac Ross
Isaac Ross

Would running a 20 inch carbine make me a fucking weirdo?

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Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

what is Mk262?

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

No, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Just run a VLTOR A5 system if you aren't already - it was literally made for this purpose. You have the perfect stock for it too.

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

Softer shooting
More reliable
Longer sight radius
Less gas blowback
More real estate for your support hand
Cubbyhole in the stock

These are all objective advantages that an A2/A4 has over an M4gery.

David Collins
David Collins

If you’re going to be a memeing faggot, at least get it right.

every shithead I've ever met with an A2 is under 22 and is trying to recreate some 80's aesthetic

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

softer shooting
A 16" with intermediate length gas system and H2 or A5H2 buffer is pretty much the same.
more reliable
See first point.
Longer sight radius
Irrelevant with optics. Even with irons, a 12" free floated handguard offers the same sight radius - 15" handguard offers even more.
Less gas blowblack
See first point
More real estate for your support hand
See third point
Cubbyhole in the stock
Telescoping stocks with storage exist now

M4gery's are lame, but you're wrong if you think all of the advantages an A2/A4 has can't be replicated with modern parts in a carbine. Really, velocity is the only exlcusive advantage at this point, but it's still significant enough to make A2/A4's relevant, unless you like bullpups.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

If its front heavy like that then yes

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

What about a 10.5" barrel?

William King
William King

They look extremely stupid yet extremely practical and it seems like you get the best of both worlds.
More real estate for your support hand
I prefer rifle length but come on now.

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James Hernandez
James Hernandez

Wrong again. 22 inch is best.

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Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

But an A2 just comes with all that for less money than an M4 with half the parts replaced.

Sebastian Harris
Sebastian Harris

They are great for weight balance and whipping them around the house in your underwear but you might as well go with a 11.5" for significantly better performance with shit ammo and a negligible difference in OAL.

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Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

20 inch is a respectable choice.

Jack Garcia
Jack Garcia

Can't argue with that. The quest to make a carbine shoot like a rifle is only worth it if you absolutely need the shorter barrel.

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

significantly better performance with shit ammo
See, that's what everyone parrots on the Internet, but I don't buy it. Every time I challenge people on this, I get "muh dwell time" with no understanding on what the consequences of dwell time are, or "muh Paul Buffoni", as if a comment he made 10 years ago is infallible. Why can't a well tuned 10.5/10.3 with a properly sized gas port and H2 buffer runs just as well, if not better than most commercial 11.5's with gas port sizes all over the damn place? Moreover, the 10.3 is a known variable, considering they've been in service for decades.

James Wilson
James Wilson

unironically thinking the m14 is better than literally anything
You're either a boomer or a noguns child. Either way, please refrain from posting.

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

I meant that in the sense getting a touch better velocity on m193.
The more gentle gas system of rifle lengths is nice but the reliability of a 10.5 doesn't seem like an issue.

Oliver Fisher
Oliver Fisher

Perfectly reasonable.

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Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

DVD on YouTube
Subtle, you must've been here awhile

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

At that point, why not just use a 12.5" - they are starting to gain a lot of popularity. In fact, that seems to make more sense, considering velocities with NATO spec ammo start tanking at the greatest rate under ~13". If you can afford an extra inch of length, why not another inch? 10.5/10.3" is the shortest you can go with a carbine length gas system and 12.5" offers a notable velocity upgrade over 11.5". I just don't get the logic of this compromise 11.5" philosophy.

Austin Edwards
Austin Edwards

Fuck, meant for

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

this guy gets it

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Luis Gray
Luis Gray

not using a flash enhancing muzzle brake
It's like you want to be surrounded by boomers sighting in their durr rifles.

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Austin Turner
Austin Turner

Gtfo

Parker Brown
Parker Brown

another /arg/ (literal) faggot that doesn't understand barrel length/twist/and bullet weight.
Please create a trip so I can filter your retarded ass.

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

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Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

shileno

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

Cooking with Kay American edition

Leo Perry
Leo Perry

M14 is better in style, you'll understand one day.

Jack Long
Jack Long

He's right and you are wrong, A1 looks like shit, and is shit.

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Easton Torres
Easton Torres

Bro, you just posted cringe

Hunter Phillips
Hunter Phillips

Yes, uh all us 20" brothers can agree.

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Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

What are we supposed to call them?

Are WASR’s, Zastavas, Norinco’s not AKs?

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

not 4.5" with a 12 inch supressor

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Austin Gray
Austin Gray

No, but you should use a Vltor A5 though.

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

I think I just had a stroke

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Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

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Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

R8 H8 Ber8
Love the faxon 20 inch gunner pencil

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Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

looks like shit, and is shit due to that pencil barrel.

Liam Myers
Liam Myers

Take that fuckin BAD lever off nigger

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

This was so enjoyable to read

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

I finished up a 11.5 sbr a while ago but I still find my 20" A4 clone much more pleasant to shoot.

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Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

ARs will never have soul in any configuration

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David Brooks
David Brooks

never understood the point of those dumbass things. you're using your left hand to put a new mag in, how fucking hard is it to slap the bolt release and move your hand back to the rail.

Jason Mitchell
Jason Mitchell

They're a great way to ND the gun and also let everyone know you're a fucking moron.

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

They might be neat for locking back the bolt but putting shit in the trigger well strikes me as a horrible idea on a fundamental level.
Ugly as fuck but I get the idea behind the pencil barrel and that handguard. I imagine the gun has a good balance.
Go with an a1 stock unless you are tall because you aren't making a clone anyway.
The grip and trigger guard are irredeemable what the fuck man.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

part cringe, part based

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

pmags

into the trash, buy GI mags

Anthony Thompson
Anthony Thompson

doesn't 18 and 19in have like 99% of the 20in's benefits?

Noah Anderson
Noah Anderson

Iron Maiden t-shirt
Based.

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

The chad FAL > the virgin M14