What realistically can Taiwan do defend its self from China

there are nukes there
I have actual knowledge of them

Chinese military modernization program is expected to be complete between 2025-2030. Xi Jinping's report at 19th CPC National Congress said that a national "reunification" will be achieved by 2049 which will be the 100th year anniversary of the people's republic of China, but only if a reunification is reached.

China would need to mount an amphibious invasion across seas, so their supply line will be stretched thin and vulnerable, while also slowing the initial invasion

taiwan wouldnt need to beat china, just hold out against their beach head long enough for US carriers and subs to lay waste to their naval supply line

taiwanese forces would actually be pretty equal to the first wave of Chinese forces, but would only get weaker over time while the chinese only become more numerous
however, US forces would be able to initially provide air support, but could send stryker brigades, marines, and special forces to reinforce taiwanese positions in the short term, but would be able to send more armored forces over time to match the chinese build up

Basically what it's doing now, suck up to America and the west, keep defense spending up and the troops ready, make it not worth the cost of invasion, work diplomatically towards and acceptable 2 state solution for both parties
For meme points though they could totally develop nuclear weapons, especially submarine launched, or ship launched, to really deter a naval invasion and have a "revenge" capability. I guess nasty chemical weapons would be fun too for when the communist chinese make landfall but Taiwan is basically a big city right? So maybe not the best idea then

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The only way China can take Taiwan is for them to bomb the whole island into oblivion. They would rule over ashes and the whole world would condemn them.

If the PLA tries to invade Taiwan and the lost would be too much for them to really take for that Taiwan is worth. Naval invasions are inherently difficult, and the ROC would pound any transport ships entering strait.

Samson Option. Scorched earth.

Hold out long enough for the US and other allies to help.

>Mines
>AShM
>Mines
>ATGM and MANPADS everywhere
>Mines
>Submarines
>Mines
>LACM deterrent force
>Mines
>Modern armored force for attacking the beachheads.
>MORE MINES
Defending Taiwan is a completely doable task. All the tech that makes it harder for the US to sail a CBG to Taiwans aid also makes it easier for Taiwan to stop a Chinese invasion fleet. Add in the traditional methods of stopping larger maritime powers and it becomes realistic to expect Taiwan to come out victorious.

The US seems to finally be selling new arms to them, or the current admin is just not paying any attention. Either way they are making good strides in most areas to fielding an army capable of defeating a PRC attack on their own.

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Nuke itself

1989 Tiananmen square massacre.

This. They've integrated military fortifications designed to repel a modern China every inch along the way, even in Taipei. Taiwan truly is a modern fortress island.

Actually nothing, all they are remained to do is just watching all these commies die for nothing

the red dragon will not be contained

They should build fortified railgun batteries, large ones should be able to reach the mainland coast, railgun rounds are cheaper and occupy less space than missiles, additionally each railgun can provide anti-air, anti-ship and artillery fire.

Make the cost of invasion outweigh the benefits of invasion.

Thats it, they cant win a war so the best they can do is make any potential war so costly that it is literally not worth it for the CPC.

There are US subs there and US subs have nukes.

Arm and train every civilian.

The US ain't gonna help, neither will any other Western nation.

Not so, a war would last decades and every decade the Chinese army would have grown twice as big as the previous decade.
China can send tens of millions of lives to die.
hundreds of thousands a day would try and breach the island.
China would win in 30 years or less.
China doesn't seem to mind sending tens of millions to their deaths.

>human waves will work against modern munitions

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Missile waves will work against Taiwanese defenses.

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taiwan is american colony.

Winnie the Pooh

Basically this. They don't have to "win" in the traditional sense, they just have to be able to make the cost of victory far too high for the mainland chinks to bear. The commies attempt a violent reunification and muck it up, there own people will crucify them for a Decisive Tang Victory.

Taiwan is mostly rural. Plains on the west, very mountainous on the eastern side. Taipei and the surrounding cities are near the northern coast.

China is OK if they lose 20 million people for the possession of Taiwan. Their Island, not their people mind you.

Because having Taiwan means having a naval base that has direct access to the deep waters of the West Pacific, that will be filled with Chinese nuclear submarines in an instant, raiding Japanese shipping, chocking off US allies supply lines and forcing them all to kowtow to China, whle Chinese boomers will have the ability to patrol just off the US West Coast.

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dig in for the long fight, they should be prepared to lose 15-30% of the population from starvation in the first year. if they can overcome that, holding out becomes much easier.

Taiwan, in any present recognizable form would be gone. They'll need to recycle pretty much everything to support the defense effort.

Wanna tell me why China can't launch subs from the north east coast to patrol the us west coast? Taiwans strategic value isn't for Chinas outward projection it's that Taiwan is a launch pad of foreign powers into China.

Stall and wait for the expeditionary American cavalry that will likely be too late to stop an operation decades in planning and right off Chinese shores.

Actually much of the Taiwanese AD can be deployed to hangers in the mountains, and much of the Taiwanese shore line is extremely difficult to conduct amphibious operations in save for a few months in the year, this buys them time if the political situation deteriorates. More importantly the landing zones that are available small and far from ideal for an invading force. The beaches are short and rocky, and leading up to them is a large stretch of land that would be easy for ROC forces to maneuver heavy weapons through including newly acquired M1 Abrams tanks, which would make chum out of lightly armored Chinese landing craft. Amphibious vehicles are extremely vulnerable to a large variety of weapons including .50BMG. Formosa may be one of the most defensible islands on the planet.

china will never take taiwan through war

taking china at face value over its purported aim to retake taiwan by force if necessary is playing into its trap

taiwan continues to spend much needed proportions of its budget on national defense

continues to irritate the us by begging for arms and being an impediment to us-china relations

pisses off its own population by hand wringing over how conscription is unpopular but no one wants to be a professional soldier

taiwan will implode long before china even has to fire a shot in anger, remember wars are more than just a bodystacking competition. only americans wage war that way, so stupid

>remember wars are more than just a bodystacking competition.
You know what the chinese did in Korea right..?

First island chain. And the transit straits are easily blocked by the Japanese/USN. Also the waters within the island chain is shallow and bad for a SSN's survivability, especially if it wants to go out undetected.

Same problem exists for the USN as well, tho. Neither China nor the US would be able to effectively use their deep diving fast attack subs within the 1st island chain.
But for China, this problem is too critical since they cant ensure save passage for their boomers sent out for deterrence patrol.

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>And the transit straits are easily blocked by the Japanese/USN.
Illegal during peace time

Chinese would likely target any large formations with stand off weapons.

theres also the large probability Chinese sleeper cells and moles within it's own military causing all kinds of havoc with supplies and infrastructure

would be an interesting war for sure

Your boomers are getting trailed and detected, even if the USN does not try to actively block them, which will invalidate your entire deterrence patrol.
In any case, the 1st island chain is a prison to China's naval ambitions and seaborne security.

Taiwan is literally the gateway for China to become a true superpower.

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Disney

>China needs to invade Taiwan
The Mainland will just watch it turn into American-style Basedliberals and lift not a single finger.

Seriously how hard would it be to invade a nation of Weeaboo Basedliberals raised by Filipino maids and still living with their parents in their 30s.

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They've tried but USA is Taiwan's lifeline.

The juice isnt worth the squeeze though. Taking the straight would be suicidal and involve wading through ATGM/AShM spam. China would practically exhaust its marine force just trying to cross over, and thats before the US pitches in en force

Yeah and weaken them for future war. Million troops for an island isnt fucking worth it even if you have 10 million conscripts

Cope

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Not a lot

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Are asian people born wearing glasses?

>acceptable 2 state solution for both parties
The Taiwanese don’t want that either. They would happily unite with a democratic China.

>Chinese would likely target any large formations with stand off weapons.
They will not have the precision nor the Intel to accurately target ROC formations. Taiwan air space would be extremely heavily contested.

This, but with more mines.
Seriously, modern smart mines are so infuriatingly effective and hard to clear it might be faster for China to build multiple earthen land-bridges across the Taiwan strait. Might you, the Taiwan strait is NOT shallow.

democracy would be shit for China. incectiods need to be dominated to function.
see India as a counter example

Chinese could spam predator knock offs indefinitely
they cost less than a SAM and can be used as bait for SEAD planes
also, staging grounds close to landing sites will be spammed with cluster and loitering munitions

The Tainanmen Square Massacre of 1989

Stronger ties with US. Purge the spies/traitors from its ranks(its almost impossible, but it can reduce future risk). Stronger ties with Japan.

This. Do what France did during the cold war. It gave the U.S. the finger when they would not place nukes in their defense against commie aggression.

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Watch the USN sink the entire PLAN, then send a strongly worded letter.