"Human Wave Attacks"

We see a lot of talk about Human Wave Attacks in the context of the Korean War on Jow Forums and I'd like to correct a misapprehension here.

The Chinese did not launch Human Wave Attacks, there is no such thing. A wave implies an attack on a broad front with equal coverage across the front, much like the large scale infantry pushes of WW1. What the Chinese did do was taken directly out of Napoleon's playbook. They identified what they believed to be a weak point in the enemy line, they formed up their platoons and companies into a rough column and then launched them at the line in the hope that although the first ranks would take horrific casualties, through attrition they would eventually break through the enemy's fire and break through. Obviously they didn't advance in ranks like Napoleonic era soldiers, but the basic method of operation was the same. When this succeeded it generally succeeded in much the same way Napoleon's columns succeeded, ie. it was due to the inexperience or low morale or lack of ammunition on the part of the defenders. They saw the huge numbers of troops coming towards them and ran. But when the defenders stayed put, served their guns and the ammunition supply held out, the chinese attacks were almost always defeated, much as the British lines of infantry always defeated the columns if the men's morale held.
So in conclusion, you should stop referring to chinese tactics in Korea as human wave attacks, because the term is misleading and it personally hurts my autism when you do. It also promotes a dangerous implication that such attacks cannot actually be stopped, much like ultimately waves cannot be stopped. In fact, as long as your position is well chosen and morale holds out, they are very easy to stop.
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i didn't read ur post but ur a faggot.

Glories to post you speak truth continue the great fight and dispell the lies from the bastard nation of japan!

Is this the user that hates Japan?

Yeah, they're human waves attacks.

>and then launched them at the line in the hope that although the first ranks would take horrific casualties, through attrition they would eventually break through the enemy's fire and break through.
So literally basically medieval human wave tactics

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forlorn_hope
>A forlorn hope is a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the leading part in a military operation, such as an assault on a defended position, where the risk of casualties is high.[1]

>In the German mercenary armies of the Landsknechts, these troops were called the Verlorene Haufen, which has the same meaning as the Dutch term, the word Haufen itself being a general term for a loosely organised group of men. These men carried long double-handed swords, with which they had to hew their way through the massive pike formations opposing them. They also had to withstand the first wave of attacks when defending a breastwork. Members of the Verlorene Haufen earned double pay, thus giving them the name of Doppelsöldner ('Double-wagers'). Since there were not enough volunteers for this assignment, criminals who had been sentenced to death were taken into the ranks as well. As a field sign, the Verlorene Haufen carried a red Blutfahne ('Blood Banner').

>By extension, the term forlorn hope became used for any body of troops placed in a hazardous position, e.g., an exposed outpost, or the defenders of an outwork in advance of the main defensive position.[1] This usage was especially common in accounts of the English Civil War, as well as in the British Army in the Peninsular War of 1808–1814. In the days of muzzle-loading muskets, the term was most frequently used to refer to the first wave of soldiers attacking a breach in defenses during a siege.

>A forlorn hope may have been composed of volunteers and conscripted criminals, and were frequently led by ambitious junior officers with hopes of personal advancement

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how is it not human waves? just because they targeted weaker points in the defense? why does that not meet the criteria for human waves?

Yeah.

This.

Fuck off back to Spacebattles and jerking off the Red Army in WW2

It's explained in the OP how the human wave is misleading. If that's your criteria for defining a human wave, then every attack in history was a "human wave attack".

Your definition is stupid, though. It's called a wave in the sense of something that swells and then recedes. A mass of soldiers is sent, and then another, and then another. A single huge line encircling the enemy isn't a wave, it just starts big and gets smaller.

seriously this. ever visit a fucking beach? ever notice how a wave isn't even in height or time along it? of course not, charlie don't surf.

So every time an attack is repulsed and the attackers attack again, that's a human wave attack? That's dumb.

Yes. With the additional implication that you're not changing your strategy or anything, just throwing bodies at them until they run out of energy, ammo, and luck.

True can't be a human wave if there are no humans.

Based commie bugmen poster

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So, the D-Day beaches were "human wave attacks"?
That's dumb. Why do you cling to your boomer fuddlore about Korea?

Had a neighbor that served in the Korean war. He said they would zerg rush their positions hard enough that the barrel of his mg would glow red. They'd have to swap out barrels to keep them from melting. The gooks would still keep rushing

The chinese didn't launch human wave attacks because the chinese aren't human.

hell yeah it was! and look their isnt anything inherently wrong with a human wave attack and korea is evidence that it can work. its specifically for when you have a overwhelmingly large but worse trained and equipped force.

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>the term was most frequently used to refer to the first wave of soldiers attacking a breach in defenses during a siege.
How is that misleading????

Literally "first wave of soldiers"

I see you got your credentials from a cereal box, got one for phrenology as well?

>The Chinese did not launch Human Wave Attacks, there is no such thing. A wave implies...

Arguing semantics with a chink...
Not even once.

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>So, the D-Day beaches were "human wave attacks"?
Literally yes.

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>Why do you cling to your boomer fuddlore about Korea?
Because I these things on my shelf to remind me

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>it's not a human wave attack, it's throwing waves of human bodies as a form of attack

Tl dr

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When the PLA used these squad sized attacks in Korea they didn't have good comms so they would keep sending men at the same point even though they kept getting gunned down. Since none could make a different decision without higher this insane body count would pile up until the machine gunners would run out of ammo aka a human wave attack.

Yes, they literally were.

the thing is it wasn't a human wave attack like in russia where people had no choice but to run at the enemy.

The wave attacks were more like a charge, most asian armies use this. The japanese do it, they call it infiltration or something. Apparently it was successful at many times

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This

The Human Wave myth is popaghanda by western nations to dehumanize Asian opponents. Alot of people forget that even in the Korean War, every other nation not the US was using bolt action rifles as a main service weapon. Without the industrial base to produce the same number of machine guns and artillery as the west the best tactic was infantry shock tactics

>The Chinese did not launch Human Wave Attacks

Yes, insect wave attacks is the preferred term

Nice synopsis general faggot

Is it human wave tactics when you're using poorly armed infantry to swarm on top of a tank just so another in its unit can hose you off with the coax?

>They didnt do human wave attack
>Explains they did but they didnt do it on all fronts at the same time
Based retard, human wave attack doesnt have to be on whole front

And OP is nitpicking. The Chinese infantry attack was not suppose to be a human wave charge but it was one anyway because they are Chinese and can afford to throw away men like that.

"Human wave attack" is American coping just like "Vietnamese practiced guerilla warfare" is...their feminine mercenaries got whopped by vastly more masculine warriors and then they come up with all sorts of bullshit to disguise the shallow/feminine/nihilistic/consumerist nature of America.

How then do you explain the impetus to develop the Mk.19 and AGS-17?

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>every other nation not the US was using bolt action rifles as a main service weapon.
Have you heard of the Sten gun?

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Everyone hates Japan here, you're the only weeb faggot on this board

This is also autistic and stupid, but more so than OP. Bugmen don't have hope, just blood and sweat.

You're all dumb niggers, fuck you. OP is less autistic than you all.

America and Russia were both better known for their reliance on industrial might than tactical expertise.

the Sten Gun was not the standard issue rifle you mouthbreather

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it's not Human Wave Attacks or Napoleonic Infrantry Tactics, both are equally wrong, the maneuvers used by the Chinese in Korea were simple Infantry Assaults on a Divisional level.

That is also what the Japanese used in WW2, and the Soviets.
It's the same shit the Americans, French, British and Germans used on the Western Front until the atrocious losses to Machine Guns and ensuing Manpower drain forced them to reconsider Infantry Tactics on a basic level, the East Asians and Russians didn't experience the same kind of setbacks on their respective Fronts and as such kept those Tactics alive in their Infantry Schools.

It's also even more overwhelming to westerners when you consider that Western Infantry Divisions didn't even have the force concentration necessary to launch such attacks since the dispersing and independent operation of smaller units became the name of the game in WW2.
But if a single Infantry Brigade of thousands of Soldiers is ordered to Attack a section of the front guarded by about a Company, it is bound to look like a Human Wave.
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