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how much all up for licence, average rifle and gun locker?

WHAT!

What's with the hysteria about talking about your own guns in Aussie Jow Forums?
It's not illegal to pull your guns out of your safe right? And even then you are meant to own them legally and the government already has a list of you, the weapons you own and probably your internet history

Well our alphabet agencies and state police have weird amount of arbitrary power, so we gotta be careful.

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expect around $1000, also define what you mean by "average rifle", if we're talking rimfires then $1000-$1500 all up, add 1000 to those if you want something in .223 and up

Sounds like a big number but about 1k for your license, gun safe, safety course, PTA, rifle. These all happen pretty far apart so it is quite affordable.
Usually can't go wrong with a used rimfire, they make for decent first guns that you can fix up to your standards.

do you have to bolt down/secure the gun safe somehow? I'm in a rental house

>Wait Awhile fag

Took a workmate to the range today to get him started on the long slow road of Cat. H lyf.

I too am in a rental house with bitchy agents, no enclosed garage and little spare room, any hope for me?

What's the law regarding knives?
I see a bunch of big ass seemingly sharp knives just sitting there for sale amongst other things at a gun range, I'm pretty sure walking around with any sharp object gets you a free ride in a police car and I sure as shit hope faggots ain't throwing them down range so what gives?

Knives are legal.

Don't walk around with a fuckoff big iron on your hip unless you're out bush.

Even if you carry and edc folder and the cops hassle you, just say its a tool and nothing more, if you're not some meth head looking fucknut they peobably won't hassle you about it too much.

Some knives can be iffy law-wise in some states.

there are fucking restrictions of course. I wanted to get a trench knife and they're fucking banned

Qld rules. Looks like unless it's over 150kg it has to be secured/bolted

forgot link

police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplication/storage/howto.htm

Find a built in Wardrobe with carpet in the base?
Lift up the carpet, drill your dynabolt holes, screw it down.
When you depart, unscrew the bolts, knock the stubs down into the holes, top off with a bit of premixed plaster, roll the carpet back down.
If you get annual inspections, hang your most embarrassing cumstained gimp-suit over it or cover it with your nastiest gash-porn, so they don't want to look any closer.
>simples

The tinfoilhat theory isv that if you have a distinctive combination of gats, theoretically NotAFPcocksucker can doxx you by comparing your senpai-photo against the registries.
>so here's one of my legal gats that isn't on my state's registry despite a legal pta transfer - just to fuck with that idea
> = registries are a fucking waste of time and have never once actually solved a crime

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I have none of these things

How big would you say a safe usually is?
I'm thinking of maybe seeing if I could place it underneath my bed though I'd have to lift the matress and planks out of the way every time which is a pain and I'm afraid it will ruin the floor at that weight when moving it unless there is an easy method of adjusting it's weight where it lies

Laws vary between states, but basically:
1. If it isn't a specifically 'scary' banned style of knife e.g. double-edged dagger, butterfly, flick, or 'zombie' knife in nsw.
2. Do you have a legit reason to be carrying it when and where you are?
e.g. out hunting or on your way to go fishing carrying your rods&bait = fine
wearing it at the disco =nope
Or have a work-knife - e.g. work in freight office, need a pocketknife daily to open taped boxes, so always need it in pocket to&from house, still in pocket at the pub after work.
>oh, and try not to be an obvious meth-head ofc

there are a bunch of ebays

If you've got a standard height bed, try getting a thin 3gun safe and lying it on its side so the door opens downwards beside the bed.
Either bolt it down through the side into the concrete under the carpet, or put extra weight in it to make the 150kg limit - but remember the plates to make the weight have to be secured inside for some dumb reason.
>DonutCop: But a thief may open the safe and take the plates out and carry it away when it's under 150kgs... (right, instead of just opening it and taking your rifles) Yeah, that's an actual quote as to why.

how... is it not on the registry?

>put extra weight in it to make the 150kg limit
is this done often? a lot of the safes are only 80kg or so, that's a lot of plates

A $199 Bunnos special (or $201.50 if you aren't a poofter and get a snag with onions) is 250mm wide, a bit thicker because the handle sticking out is extra.
And you can usually get 4-5 rifles in if you end-to-end them carefully.
bunnings.com.au/sandleford-1450-x-250-x-250mm-3-gun-safe_p4211460

All registries are shitlists run by fucktards.
Every safe inspection I know of, the cops turn up with their list to check off and it will be short at least one rifle that's legally there, or still have rifles on it that you sold legally years ago.
>always keep your paperwork PTA and transfer copies
Arsehole cops will try to get you for having an unregistered rifle, average cops will just shrug because they all know the registry lists are shit and they're just wasting their time and yours doing the 'safety' check.

Im waiting on my safety check for my first PTA. Im in a rural town with a small supply of coppers and they so far havent had the spare manpower to do the check :(

I just want it out of the way

> secured inside
As in would I need to weld the weight in or would I be able to do something like having a small pole go through the weights and then have a bar padlocked above it so they can't move but I can easily remove them later for transportation?

For guys that move house a lot it can be the answer because you just unbolt the plates from inside the box and carry them seperately.

how often do they check?

I've had a licence for about 15 years and moved house 3 times, haven't had an inspection yet.

what does Jow Forums think about John Howard?

Depends.
Some states do an initial check that your safe is good before you get your first licence, like I guess is the case for Some states do it 'whenever' they're bored, got spare time, or some desk jockey sends out a 'do more checks' email.
Some states I've gone years without a check.
Other states I get one every time I move - probably because the new local DFO sees 'WFA-1' on my list and either shits themselves that I've got a big scary machinegun or just want to come fingerfuck it.
Depends on each state, but they're supposed to ring and arrange a 'convenient' time, so often they call when I'm miles from home, so I just get them to call back when I'm home and they usually forget or get too busy.
>if you have a missus who doesn't have her own licence make sure she doesn't fall for the door-knock trick.
Cop rings you for a check and you're not at home - call back later as above.
Cop goes to your house anyway, the Mrs says you're not home, then the friendly cop asks if she can just get your safe keys and he'll do the check with her instead...
Then he busts your wife for unlicenced access to your guns, and you for not securing your guns from an unlicenced person.
>cunt act
They tried it on my Mrs two years ago - she was smart enough to say that she doesn't know where my keys are.

Do the ADF/AFP etc have roles that don't need physical training and where you can make a difference and be well paid while still being a physical wreck? Fractured spine, hypotonia and a ton of other bullshit I got from prematurity means I can't serve in the chair force in an active capacity, but I hate the idea of corporate wageslavery at the same time. Just graduated uni a few weeks ago and trying to work out a career path
cheers lads

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In reality, 90% of AFP roles are totally non-physical desk shit that Stephen Hawking could do from his chair (like NotAFP's cocksucking here), but they all have the official mentality that you need to be a fit strong stormtrooper to wear a badge, so sorry Premmy-dude they won't look twice at a physical disability.
>the fat civvy hacker nerd for the fbi is a tv trope
The army tried to recruit the meme for their new cyberwar wank unit but the 'real-army' pulled out the medical rulebook and must do Basic Training like everyone else and Nope'd it.

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Department of Defence has civvie jobs/desk jobs that are usually intelligence (not spook sort of shit, but pretty much analysis jobs which amount to making an excel sheet with statistics). Geospatial is a good lesser-known pathway but be ready to get fucking spooky if you go down that path.

as this guy said AFP is a lot of gay desk shit that you'd hate, you'd be better off working at the ATO.

keep in mind you can literally just put wieghts in the safe to reach the limit.
>you just put weights inside to reach the limit
>to get at the weights you have to open the safe anyway at which point the thieves would just steal the safe
Ive got one safe chemically welded to the foundation slab but couldnt be fucked doing that a second time so the second one just has a hunk of railway scrap sitting in the door well. When the cop came to check the safe he just pushed it a bit and shrugged and guessed it was heavy enough.

Vic Barracks Melbourne had a guy who was an ADF Public Service civilian in a wheelchair (never asked his details, but his legs were all shrunken and twisted so presumably something from birth not a crash).
He was just a Customer Service guy - there were girls on the front desk to answer simple questions, but if you needed your pay or travel payments unfucked he was the guy to see.
Not a high-paid job and definitely anything 'important' (until your pay got fuckedup) - probably an APS-3 - but a secure job because no APS in any Department ever gets fired no matter how useless they might be, let alone the 'disabled' guy.

buying stuff often has some crackers regarding the register.
>Mate buys a columbian mauser
>gets pta all sorted
>looks a little closer
>goverment has its registered as an enfield mauser
>????
>says nothing and owns it happily

gubbmint has fucked most of my register up, listing martinis as lever actions, BSAs as lithgows, etc etc

Another slightly riskier trick in a rental place is:
Instead of dynabolts, just put 4 short normal bolts upward thru the holes in the bottom of your safe and screw the dynabolt nuts on so they look genuine.
The safe is now just sitting on 4 boltheads like little feet.
>cops test the security of safes via the "rock it test" - the fattest cop leans on your safe and tries to rock it sideways to pry any loose dynabolts out of the concrete.
The trick - Put an 'extra' row of 2inch Tec-screws down the back wall of the safe into the wall stud behind.
(actually its a good idea to put in at least 1 Tecscrew like this, even if you do have real dynabolts, to beat the rock test of a really fat cop)
To make it harder for fat cop or any actual safe-theives, always try to put your safe in a corner where the side wall will hold it against rocking.
If the skirting board holds it off the walls, shim it with a strip of plywood at the back and side before screwing.
If they ask why the extra screws, just say you wanted to be sure.

Cops usually demand dynabolts as the minimum, but most State laws only say 'adequately secured' so the back-screws are legit in most states, and can actually be stronger than dynabolts, but it's easier to add the fake dynabolt feet than try to waste hours explaining the real laws to dumb cops.

When you leave, just put spackle in the screw-holes and repaint the wall in the back of the wardrobe like any other drunken tenant damage.

HAHAHAH get fucked you sideways eight chan double nigger.