Texas shooting

Obviously the Texan had better shot placement.

Nigga. You seen the photos? It was a wasr

Norwegian shooting
>69 dead
>tricked out mini 14
Debate=settled

And the vatech shooter killed 33 with a glock 19 9mm and a 22 pistol; pistols confirmed deadlier than rifles. Debate over.

It wasn't a wasr it was Chinese AK-style SKS bullshit

kek

Christchurch
>51 dead
>49 injured

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The texas shooter picked out the right ammo for the job. Frangible 7.62 is going to kill you dead more than fmj 5.56 and this shouldn't be a really controversial statement of fact.

>AK style sks
Know how I know you're a tard?

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>that barrel warping
Yep, looks like a wasr to me.

they tried to claim the garlic shooter used an AK by showing off this rubber prop AK.
look at how the handguards meet the receiver
it's a fake

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The Texas fag was using a very effective fragmenting round, AR dumbass might have been using shitty ball rounds.

What's his name? Would like to read about it.

TRY

>Muh fragmentation good; 7.62x39 icepicks bad

Ok no. If fragmentation was such a great thing why wouldn't Russians, or any army fielding AKs, use fragmenting 7.62x39 rounds. They exist and are considered shitty. When you want to cause as much damage as possible you want to put a .30 cal hole straight through someone, and the person behind them. Most 7.62x39 is designed to completely pass through, but the wound cavity expansion is what makes it so devastating. Having a big chunk of lead with power behind it going through you does more damage than a .20 cal round breaking apart (assuming you're using the right kind of ammo, in the right barrel length, with the right barrel twist rate, at the right range for fragmenting to occur).

My primary point being, why don't AK users use fragmenting rounds if fragmenting is so great? Can one ARfag ever answer that question?

america is a third world shithole

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DRUGS

OI, YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT SHITPOST, GUVNA?

Ohio guy was killed before 30sec from the first shot, as the cops are bragging about. Also it looked like he ad a 7 inch barrel, so less velocity.

What ammo were they using? The results are close enough to be chalked up to individual circumstances.

Fragmentation is for when you have too much powder charge. The heavier M855 switched to two piece forking due to lack of fragmentation energy found int he lighter rounds. Ak's can't produce enough velocity to fragment.

That's the strap overlapping with the barrel.

hey how do you guys think a galil ace in 7.62x39 would do, as the perfect fusion of both designs

>counting children kills as whole point
>user

>literally shooting cowering muslims like fish in a barrel
>this definitely provides useful data about weapon performance in a live combat scenario

And it took dumping mags into piles of bodies to go over 50% lethality

>why wouldn't Russians, or any army fielding AKs, use fragmenting 7.62x39 rounds.
Because tumbling works adequately. Because fragmenting rounds can't as much into barrier or body armor penetration, which is an inherent requirement for anyone fighting a modern conflict. Because non-fragmenting 7.62x39 rounds are still very capable after penetrating body armor, as found out in the GIGN trials.
>When you want to cause as much damage as possible you want to put a .30 cal hole straight through someone, and the person behind them.
Icepicking is not "as much damage as possible". Modern 7.62 rounds are designed to tumble, not go straight through someone.
>Having a big chunk of lead with power behind it going through you does more damage than a .20 cal round breaking apart
A fragmenting 5.56 round will leave a far larger permanent wound cavity. There's no question about which round will cause more damage.

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It's a decent fusion of both designs. They made it with way too much plastic and ugly as shit though. I don't think it warrants the extra price, but it was a good attempt. With the plastic critical parts I'd take a hard pass. One of the great things about an AK is it's durable steel receiver. Shit I'd even accept aluminum but plastic is just shekel pinching.

No such thing as bulletproof armor silly.

>A 7 inch barrel
excuse me what the fuck

what are you talking about, the “lower?” the fcg isn’t even part of that, it’s just the pistol grip. the foregrip is kinda short and ugly but replaceable. the buffer is a nonissue imo besides not allowing aftermarket alternatives.

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look at that meme machine, can’t the cia find a professional

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You can remove the plastic shit and there’s a steel milled receiver, the plastic is just a cover. You do need to replace the mag release and pistol grip/trigger guard when you remove it however.

580 less fps than a 16” equals how much less dead... still way faster than 22lr

Using the Patriot, eh?

>My primary point being, why don't AK users use fragmenting rounds if fragmenting is so great?
That's what was claimed to be used in the El Paso shooting according to the manifesto.

Yes. This finally proves that assault weapons should be banned!!1!

How about RPGs m8?

>Soviets: Let's make a smaller bullet for service rifle, but not too small. Also it should be optimized for shorter barrel
7.62x39 developed and endures to this day, with some Western countries finally seeing the light of its perfect balance of weight, range, penetration and terminal effect on flesh. AK series is carbine-sized by default compared to contemporaries.
>NATO: Let's make our bullets very tiny and very fast, also if it hits something very fast it explodes (maybe)
5.56 has a long history of being derided as not having enough stopping power. Original M16 long enough to become unwieldy in modern mechanized warfare, successor carbines all have reduced ballistic performance.

>NATO: Let's make our belt machineguns use a push-through design for simplicity
Produces huge, heavy MGs that sometimes have feeding problems.
>Soviets: Nyet, we have lots of Maxim-era belts in babushka's basement, let's use them
Produces PK series, which is both shorter and lighter than all its competitors to the point where it can work as a squad level LMG. Then makes the PKP which uses forced air cooling so that it can fire 600 rounds straight without barrel warping.

>Soviets: Service rifle does not need to much range, but we can put scope on another rifle for brand new "squad level sniper" (DMR)
SVD endures to this day as perfectly adequate precision rifle. Only problem in early days was lack of good ammo but that is no longer a problem.
>NATO: what's an assault rifle?
M14.

Bros... how could the commies have been doing everything right and we did everything wrong?

>>has a brace
why the fuck even... forget it

Beta mags for beta shooters.

I honestly don't know. Capitalism is supposed to be merit-based, but apparently that doesn't apply to the army.

the difference between materialist and idealist ontological foundations

>it's fucking bendy

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You forgot the part where the Soviets stopped using 7.62x39 and adopted a cartridge ballistically comparable to 5.56.

RECTALLY

the effects of khrushchevite revisionism, surely

They didn't stop using them, it still sees some rear line use and interest from specialists for much the same reasons as GIGN.

My point being that they saw the advantages of high velocity, small caliber rounds enough to discontinue standard use of their own intermediate cartridge.

Pretty darn good for a gun that doesn't exist.

>any mass shooting
>live combat scenario

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The math does not add up on that. At least a dozen of those casualties was people stepping on one another to run and they refuse to admit it.

Oh for fuck's sake, nobody tell them that's legally a pistol. It combines the power of an AR with the killing strength of a gun.

The fuck are you talking about

A 7 inch barrel won't work with a carbine length handguard. That's a 10.5" or 11.5"

smaller targets are harder to hit tho

it was probably 223 remington fmj versus fucking conformed 8m3 too, huge damage difference

they were used by soviets in afghanistan

welp here I was thinking the ATF was gonna give up on SBRs due to brace ubiquity

looks like they far more likely scenario of just outlawing braces is gonna go on as planned

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