Level 4 plate

No your 40 grain semi-frangible soft point will not penetrate a level four plate.
Stop being a boomer and realize that the game behind armor is not to blast through it with unobtainable ammo but to be smart.

556 bolt gun can punch through level 3
youtube.com/watch?v=oMYkEMhPsO8

>can punch through level 3
Okay but this is specifically a Lvl IV thread

Thats level III dipshit, this thread is talking about level IV

.25-06 with lathe turned steel core rounds loaded to maximum pressure specs.

Pretty sure a 5.7x28 can go through that.

In other words, ammo I can't find that won't penetrate to 100 yards?

Solid brass .338Lapua or .338 Norma would probably punch through it too.

based 5.7poster

No it wouldn't.
Please read the specs of a level IV plate some time, and to what velocity it is rated for. Maybe watch some Youtube videos of people shooting it with 338 Lap AP rounds and see that you are retarded.

This is quite literally the point of AP ammo bans. The government does not want citizens to be capable to penetrating their high-end armors from a distance, as it would significantly impact morale of soldiers if shit were to ever pop off inside the borders. It has nothing to do with "saving cops" as there has never been a police officer in the US who died due to AP ammo defeating body armor, and everything to do with psychological and logistical control of citizens.

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>So, uh, what goes through this?
youtube.com/watch?v=7WXL8q5UOqQ
lol no
not really

almost impossible to penetrate.
Just have to hit it with something that causes extreme backface deformity, or multiple rounds.

>psychological and logistical control of citizens.

whoa dude and i bet you think jews did 9/11

So.... aim for the pelvis or face, from

>it's another episode of "If you distrust the government and think they do shit to control the citizenry, you must also be full Jow Forumstard"

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Valid, but significantly harder to do reliably at that distance than "Just make sure you hit him in the torso"

whoa dude
just messing with u

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Any high-powder rifle rounds.
>M885A1
>BP 7.62x39 or 5.45
>PS 7.62x39
>7.62x51 NATO
>7.62x54R
>Also 5.7x28

meant m855a1

none of those do

Literally all of these are insufficient to punch through Level IV rifle plate.

probably something small at 4000fps+?

>no barrel life
>no accuracy
>highly unlikely to be chambered in a semi auto
>BC of .1
>costly
the exact same criticism of every other round mentioned

0.264 caliber 88gr flatline sabot 308 with 1:8 twist at 3800 fps

M855 in 30-06 accelerator sabots.

not saying it would work, just saying it would be cool to watch.

>worse for armor penetration than walmart m193 or even m855a1
not even going to dignify this shit with a reply

I don't want to be sperg so I will ask like an idiot.
Is there any point for theese ?
Nowadays you can get shot by :
Wannabe gangbangers whose sole shooting skill is lot of bullets over short distance and from what I read here, sand people do the same thing if they want to hit.
Or by someone who actually is competent shooter, understands the way thing works and will just load AP.
Isn't shrapnel protection more important ?

USE GOOGLE

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Not trusting the media is a mental illness.
Wanting to cut off your own penis is normal and healthy.

>source needed
lmao dude what the fuck is your problem. you can get a 408 cheytac in a semi auto platform for about 12k. that would fuck your level 4 up and leave your chest cavity mostly emptied on the ground behind you. so there. thats what i pick. now tell me why I am wrong, and why you are right.

Really. Please tell me why a non penetrating round would leave my chest cavity on the ground behind me.

M995 fails, m993 passes

Your thinking of steel armor not ceramic

Level 3 sucks

But

No dude

Cast your own AP projectiles

Thoughts on Level III+? Just bought Spartan AR550 plates today, did I goof?

Aim for things that aren't covered by armor. Take a page out of the Israelis books. Instead of using powerful weapons to obliterate people, shoot them in the knees with silenced 22's. Not only are they out of the fight, but now it's a burden they're comrades have to deal with, with the added bonus of you being able to conceal yourself easier in an active conflict.

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>the you realize a good third of your country believes this.

So what would happen if you made plate armor out of this shit?

Holy fuck Moshi you glow, no one mentioned Jews. But since you did, lets discuss shall we?

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youtu.be/_dRWmJqWVXE

Any direct experience with Infidel Body armour? They are really gung-ho about their anti-spall coated steel plates.

>whoa dude and i bet you think jews did 9/11
so you think its just a coincidence that the sunni terrorists from saudi arabia the biggest exporter of wahabbist terrorism with state support that flew planes into twin towers who also lived on the same block as a team of mossad agents in florida
which led to the terrorist attack in NYC that was filmed and celebrated by mossad teams who were arrested and then later released and allowed to fly home along with members of the bin laden family while the rest of the US citizens still couldnt fly

which led to the invasion the two shia minority countries without centralized banks that border either side of Iran?

so thats all a big series of coincidences for you?

they torpedoed, strafed and napalmed the Liberty.

>steel armor
yes you goofed

why napalm a ship made of metal?

Out of curiosity, is there any way to cast/make AP heads?

You can buy m2ap bullets for .308 and load your own rounds

Lol so the full AP rounds are banned but you can still buy the heads, is that right? Hilarious if true.

30 rounds of 556 I guess

>whoa dude and i bet you think jews did 9/11
I also think that OJ killed his wife.

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/29/level-iv-unbeatable-armor-caliber-problem-tungsten/

>Current Level IV and GOST Class 6a armors are *BY DEFINITION* immune to all current steel-cored armor piercing rounds of caliber .30 and below, at all ranges.

>Tungsten is not a viable core material for standard issue small arms ammunition. It can ONLY be used for specialist purposes, e.g. SOCOM.

>A conventional steel-cored HVAP small caliber round that can defeat Level IV out to combat distances (i.e., 500 meters) is virtually impossible to create. Only medium (e.g. .338) and high (.50) caliber rounds of conventional design can produce this effect. Likewise, a steel-cored APDS round designed to defeat Level IV to these distances would have to be so massive that it would be practically medium caliber ammunition anyway. Only APFSDS offers the possibility of Level IV armor defeat out to medium ranges with steel cored projectiles, at a size and weight comparable to current small arms ammunition (5.56mm and 7.62mm).

Level IV armor is pretty robust and it's safe to say that armor tech is outpacing small-arms tech.

It's only a matter of weight, once we get the energy storage solution for powered exosuits down you will have soldiers that are actually immune to small-arms fire.

>ceramic
>get shot once with a common caliber
>your "armor" shatters and crushes your internal organs
>useless after 1 shot (typically)
>vs steel (not ar500 shit)
>get shot with multiple rounds of a common caliber
>makes a cool pinging noise, you walk away unscathed
>spalling isn't actually a thing with a spall sleeve or even ghetto rhino lining, at the point your steel plate starts to spall, your ceramic plate would've failed long ago

Dude grow up. Ceramic technology has progressed.

I love the
>I can be safely magdumped!
>your armor is useless if you're shot more than 5 times!! Lolz
You're useless if you're getting shot more than 5 times.
Don't post that one story about the single soldier who got shot 20 times. You aren't a soldier in a combat zone

You can be autisitc and put a soft plate in front of the steel plate III+ if you can fit it

at least it will catch the round depending on the caliber

No, but I'm convinced Cheney allowed it.

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>buying plates before you can even run a sub 8 minute mile in shorts

see

Lol ar500 level.4 is a marketing term it's not NIJ rated

Ar500 level 4 is their plates they couldn't afford to submit to testing or worse yet failed

I am a mere media fag, but every "combat safety" class I took said that we were to keep soft armor on at all times and to don plates if we thought shit would get lit. The arguments made were for frag, concussion/blast wave, and peace of mind (so we could focus on our job). This is why I advocate soft armor as the first buy. It is very concealable and only requires extra deodorant due to sweating. Plates should be secondary but essential. I have lurked many Jow Forums threads on armor. The anti-steel crowd's linchpins are quality of the steel and spall. The pro/indifferent steel crowd's linchpins are anti-spall and realistic situation/cost.

Full disclosure: my chest plate is ceramic and my back plate is steel. I always wear my IIIa soft under it, plus PMags, waterproof map case, backup gloves, and flashlight batteries in my chest mount (I use a softie + low pro plate carrier + chest mag carrier for my SHTF loadout). This is what I train in. It is not SoF level worthy.

At the end of the day, you need to assess who you are, what you are capable of, and what you are trying to do, then build from there. Some internet fag is always going to be able to "logic" you into a state of paralysis about gear quality. Ignore fags, always.

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I have III+ I realized if i have to wear it and i get shot im going to die anyways so why spend like 250 more.

What was the video

So I'm curious, since you're an expert where does all the kinetic energy go when you get shot? Because right now you're claiming it just disafuckingpears into thin air.

AP rifle ammo is not banned. Only AP pistol ammo is banned.

Indeed. Mostly because at the time the law was written, commonly available armor couldn't stop a majority of rifles rounds commercially

bitchute.com/video/6x14p3dUvgy3/

it's true, hard armor penetration like 3+ and 4 is more about speed than bullet design. That's why a standard m193 fmj 5.56 out of a 20+ inch barrel will penetrate a level 3 but a standard m80 7.62 wont at any barrel length.

7.62 nato is only better than 5.56 if your target has no armor

>So, uh, what goes through this?

.270 with a brass eco friendly bullet.. Yes. Really

This will defeat level anything. Or bypass it, more specifically.

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>tfw we'll have to switch to 30+ calibers and become the Elysium AK meme irl
best timeline

.50
Anything else high-speed and relatively solid shot

>hurr it's splosive so it will wreck anything

They're spotting rounds.

If the round doesn't ricochet away?
Spreads over the surface of the plate, seriously reducing or eliminating the harm done.

If it does ricochet? Mostly gets redirected into thin air.

Welcome to basic physics.

Your initial assertion of how armor works is completely wrong
Good thing they can’t make any >III(+, arguably), and anything above III just gets fuckheavy for what armor should be

"""spotting"""

youtube.com/watch?v=AXaaybiRiYY

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>Your initial assertion of how armor works is completely wrong
That is literally how physics works. Force doesn't just pass through solid objects like in your retarded memes.

youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I

It doesn't matter what they're called when you have 3 grams of high explosive go off in your face. You could be wearing a slab of tank armor on your chest, and that slab will still get pushed inside your chest several inches, because the massive explosive energy has nowhere else to go (and the slab isn't rigidly welded to an armored vehicle). Aside from your arms and weapon, if they were close to the chest. On top of that, you'll get permanently blinded, deafened, have a heavy concussion and probably get your neck snapped by the explosion-generated wind. Oh, and everything on your plate carrier that can explode will, and every piece of metal on it will be fragmented and launched in every direction.

Good point. Fugg

In reference to how ceramics work, not how physics work

Prove it.

You're breathtaking

Why would you need guns? The government will protect you.

Prove what, genius? That explosive blast trauma isn't great for your health? Here's a CDC report that has information on various extreme pressures and how they affect a human body.

cdc.gov/niosh/docket/archive/pdfs/NIOSH-125/125-ExplosionsandRefugeChambers.pdf

As you can probably guess, a high explosive detonation will generate a lot more than 20 psi in its immediate vicinity (your head and body cavity). I probably greatly underestimated the effects of such a projectile on a human body, armored or not.

It actually takes .308 AP bullets loaded into max spec .30-06 to pen lv IV

Yep. But you and your faggot relatives were likely hypnotized by muh boys in blue and Reagan, like they are with Trump, and fucked yourselves over. How does it feel to vote for Republican candidates who only work for the kikes and can't even deliver on the supposed partisan pro-gun position?

Yeah, and what does the ATF define as pistol rounds? .223 and .308, only the most common rifle calibers in the US? No big deal. It's only "pistols".

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