Why is switzerland so pro gun and germany so anti gun?

1/3 to 1/2 owning a gun sounds insanely unrealistic, that's almost american level of gun ownership.
where did you get those statistics from?

Switzerland is what happens when you don't have violent shitskins in your country.

He's retarded, please be patient.

BY population 30.3% of Germans own a gun legally. When registration was introduced most guns were never registered. They did not just vanish you know.

The extremely strict and thorough federal agency that mandatorily registers every single firearms owner in germany suggest a number at about 1-2%. How do you get to 30%?

probably something to do with the old swiss confederacy having to fight all the time against all the kingdoms and empires around them and then getting so good at kicking the shit out of them that these kingdoms and empires would start hiring Swiss militias as mercenaries. and having a pretty long history of Mercing. it's the same thing you kind of are seeing in the western Slavic countries, after decades/centuries of being under some other entities thumb, you get a culture that says if you want to exist you have to protect yourself.

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Capitalism doesnt want you to own guns it wants you to be a loyal worker. Switzerland is able to stay pro gun for now because theyve essentially made their entire population the military. Thats not to say capitalism is already working its way into the mindset of the Swiss and slowly dismantling their values for the continued profiteering of the rich.

Reminder. Switzerland was one of the longest lasting confederations in history. Its entwined between their cantons to take care of the nation because it let them individually govern in their union.

>because theyve essentially made their entire population the military

It's called the militia, Mac.

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Is this peak muttposting?

For the (you)’s obviously.

Switzerland is trapped between what was historically the three most expansionist states in Europe: France, Germany, and Austria. All the Swiss had were the high ground and lots of guns.

I will never understand why people say the articles of confederation wouldnt work long term.
We have 2 oceans between us and anyone that matters.
Switzerland did it between all that turmoil and war. For over 400 fucking years.

>Capitalism doesnt want you to own guns it wants you to be a loyal worker.
hahahahahahahahahaha

The Swiss know that fighting to defend your homeland is a noble endeavour. The Germans have been brainwashed by the Allies into believing that fighting to defend their homeland is evil.

>Switzerland is socialist

Swiss here.

Because of militia, mostly. Where citizens are considered part of the country defense mechanism. Which is probably the best and most logical way to defend a country, instead of delegating to whatever agency with it's own agenda.

That being said sadly we're surrounded by countries with a far, far different mentality. And most notably we're in the middle of Europe and part of Schengen.

Hence why our days are numbered when it comes to guns. We don't have powerful lobbies to defend the interest of the people, outside of PROTELL, which virtually only "survives" thanks to donations. The balance is not in the favor of gun owners.

Anyway, Germany actually isn't "that" bad with gun ownership. Worse than Switzerland certainly, but a country like the United Kingdom is immensely worse. I pity the britbongs.

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Swiss user here.

Yeah basically what he said. Our "pro gun" etiquette can only be applied when you compare our neighbors.

Outside of that we're far from pro gun. Some states of America are still leagues ahead in terms of freedom.

Exactly.

Our mindset concerning guns is more like "i need a tool to put holes in that target at the right distance" instead of "i need to protect myself from Tyrone and Abdul and from the alphabet boys". Our mentality is far different, and way more specific. Guns aren't considered part of who we are, they're a tool for a specific purpose just like a screwdriver.

I don't know a single Swiss gun owner who owns guns because he wants to "protect himself". It's either sport shooting or collection.

Thanks for the insight Swissbro.
Hoping the future is bright for both of us.

ameriburger looking to move to swissland do you accept our kind? can we share in the same freedoms as your countrymen if we seek citizenship?

Germany didn’t fight to defend itself during the last 150 years. All it did, was attacking its neighbors.

Thats what (((they))) want you to believe, kiddo

If you speak German and French on top of English, yes. If you speak only English, you're not gonna make it.

Suck more State cock user.

The Franco-Prussian war was started by a belligerent French emperor who wanted to secure his own position by victory on the battlefield as well as to keep the Germans divided and weak in order to secure French hegemony over the region.

The first world war was a war Germany fought entirely to defend itself. They anticipated an imminent invasion from both sides by France and Russia. They saw striking first as their only chance to win such a war.

The second world war was a matter of reclaiming what they thought was rightfully theirs, revenge for what they saw as an unjust peace and securing a position where they would not be as vulnerable to attack as during the first world war.

While Germany may not exactly have a spotless record, they have mostly fought to defend themselves.

Germany lost the war

Maybe just not getting occupied and no commie influence but be fair, austria is still the more pro gun country in europe.

German gunowner here. Its more like 5% have guns. Politics made in EU and Germany fucking all over us... just sad to be a german at some point

That's a very fanciful interpretation of history user. A+ for creativity, D- for factual relevance.

Swiss have the idea that military service is honorable still ingrained in their national culture, and they support things like shooting clubs and responsible firearm ownership, with inter-generational knowledge of responsible firearms use, and the recognition that the Swiss military culture and it's neutrality is what preserved its independence.

While not all of Germany is anti-gun, or Austria for that matter, where hunting and shooting clubs still have a strong cultural relevance, for your common German the De-Nazification and subsequent neutering of the German armed forces post WWII changed the culture in Germany from respect for the military class and firearms culture in general, to the alternative you find now.

If it hadn't been for the Soviets and the threat of Communism, the Germans wouldn't have even been allowed to have a military. Same with post war Japan.

>There's no filthy Jews in Switzerland that controlling Christian based government.

That's why.

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no, as in they have 1 year of conscription and 1 month per year after that for 6 years, used to be longer

protell suck cock. their disastrous campaign is easily a reason why we lost the referendum

Admittedly I don't like the idea of the federal government taking it's edicts from the EU and it will be interesting to see if the Swiss keep their neutrality if the pressure to join the EU military contingent is strong enough, but essentially in all developed countries we are seeing a curtailment of gun rights, and it's very sad to see Switzerland caving under that pressure, considering that the firearm like in America is firmly entwined in its independence and historical culture.

As for us Britbongs, gun ownership was always a carry over from the old class divisions, and for whatever reason the government led by London urbanites seems to think that curtailment of legal ownership lowers crime.
It doesn't, especially when you can get an Albanian or Croat to import one illegally for you.
It's very telling though that even with that you still get violent gun crime among the very organised criminal gangs, as for the lesser hoods, they're content with stabbing each other and making Jow Forums collectible item banned or taboo, because why would anyone need a handgun, or a knife? These same people are the same types of Mongs who support people being charged for killing violent home intruders, they have no real basis in reality.

the swiss speak their own different version of german, and pride themselves on geographic and cultural isolation, and have never wanted to be the rest of europe, for good reasons.

A bit like how Japanese spent hundreds of years merrily slaughtering each other until big dog USA blasted them to pieces and forced them to quit it, now suddenly they're the most antigun country in the world.

>Because of militia, mostly. Where citizens are considered part of the country defense mechanism. Which is probably the best and most logical way to defend a country, instead of delegating to whatever agency with it's own agenda.
Amen brother. The UK used to be like this too, but the militia was folded into the Territorial Army and now the Army Reserves, thus totally subsumed into the professional army and cut off from its folk soldier tradition. There is only one remaining army reserve unit that maintains the "militia" title (two if you count a unit from Jersey).
The point is, protect your traditions and don't let them subvert you.

Imagine believing this. Germany has not fought a defensive battle since, like, fucking Teutoberg Forest.

You are too stupid to post here.

>the losing side is 100% evil and always has been
>the winning side is 100% good and always has been
>I know this because the winning side told me so
It's a little bit more complex than that.

>Capitalism doesnt want you to own guns it wants you to be a loyal worker.
>Capitalism

That's a funny way to spell "Communism".

Judeo-bolshevism and judeo-capitalism are one and the same

Actually I didn't claim that. If you read the original post, I merely pointed out that your summation was incorrect.
There was a multitude of reasons why Germany and the other world powers fought the first and second world war, and cherry picking only part of that is doing yourself and everyone else you interact with a disservice.

It really is as simple as that. Read a few more history books.

Probably

>history of being niggers with guns
That's what's wrong with American gun culture. The individualist "fuck everyone else" attitude that rules everything else also applies to guns, and the idiots who can't not fuck up somehow.

the Swiss have a really strong history of citizen militias which protected them from outsiders, and those same militias act as still act as protection to this day. pretty much the same reason as the US.

we lost because the general populace believed we would have been kicked out of schengen automaticly combined with the fact that the majority of gun owners (i.e. people who kept their service rifles) aren't affected by the new regulations. the campaign was alienating but i doubt that it had cost us a lot of votes.

>can we share in the same freedoms as your countrymen if we seek citizenship?
We got different types of permit. If you're a temporary citizen you will have to present a paper OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY that attest you can access said firearms. Which is somewhat logical, if you don't have access to firearms in your country there's no reason that this would magically change by coming in Switzerland. After proving that your country allows you to be around firearms, outside of not having any felony on record and doing the small administrative process you're G2G.

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I'm not going to write a 200 page treatise on Germany's reasons for attacking France at the start of the first world war for you. The gist of it is that Germany thought France would attack Germany in the back when Germany was inevitably drawn into the war between Austria and Russia. Given the expected sluggishness of Russian mobilization, the Germans figured they could prevent this by knocking France out before the Russians were fully mobilized.

True fact.

Besides the "muh schengen" meme was mostly pushed by the lobby known as Economy Swiss, which is a group composed by, obviously, huge Swiss businesses and companies. Literally, look it up, they're fuckhuge. They were afraid for their shekels and spent big bucks on a proper campaign. Contrary to (UN)PROTELL.

In the end it won't (hopefully) change much outside of higher fee to access specific firearms. At least that what my gunsmith said.

Amazing rebuttal user

Germany has a huge chemical&explosives community. Thats what happens when Germans cant have guns...

>Why wouldn't a country that has valued independence, autonomy and non intervention not be like a country that fucked up so hard it spent the last 80s being occupied, split, and told it fucked up
Gee Billy did you really think this through?

Basically same as Czech Gun laws and Army reserves. Can you CC in Switzerland?

wrong. I know at least 4 people who barely speaks german and have no problem going around. Most Swiss know english
we can't CC

More generally, as the two other swissbro said, we don't have a strong culture about guns for self-protection. Eventually we'll loose all our rights to buy gun just to comply to the laws of other countries around us (i.e the E.U)

It's weird that you can't cc. I was reading gun laws in Europe and our (czech) is probably closest to US gun laws (if not better than most blue states)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic

Czech has even more chill gun cuntro than we do as far as I know

its literally called a militia army

Even stronger though because while Japan kind of hems and haws about their actions in WW2 and tries to avoid drawing attention to it Germany outright has a self hate culture of "We were real life supervillains and need to check ourselves to make sure we never fall that far again."