I just want to point out that self-driving car bombs would be an extremely effective terror weapon...

That's assuming a 60 000 pound bomb which is very unlikely for run of the mill terrorism.

They have money because they dont spent it.
>buying a car to blow up
>leaving a paper trail
Just steal a fucking car. You would make a terrible terrorist

yep, that's actually what got me thinking about this. I went on a "watch way too many SVBIED videos before bedtime" kick last week and just thought, well, why have a driver at all? one of the serious weaknesses of SVBIED's is the fact that if you shoot the driver, your car bomb stops rolling. hence the armor as you pointed out.

I found some absolutely terrifying ones when I was looking this stuff up, like pic related. there's a video out there that shows this thing pushing roadblocks and humvees out of the way before detonating right in the middle of an iraqi army encampment. no thank you.

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that's true, that's an awfully big bomb. I believe the OKC bomb was "only" 7,000 lbs, for example.

>You would make a terrible terrorist

t-thank you.

Having a driver makes it possible to change the target at will or follow it with precision. The benefits of making them driverless would probably be outweighed by the loss of effectiveness.

I think some of it involves the cost and difficulty of building a reliable remote-control setup, but if you're already spending the effort to armor the entire vehicle, it doesn't seem that much harder to implement it.

that's true when you're using them as a battlefield weapon like ISIS does. originally though I was thinking of the self-driving car thing to be useful for when you're doing something like the OKC bombing - attacking a specific, stationary target in a civilian area without having to suicide yourself in the process.

in the case of something like ISIS, I think the real trick there would just being able to design an RC setup that desert people could build from scratch in a garage. one of the really spooky things to me about ISIS SVBIED's is that you can set up a factory for them literally anywhere. the tools and materials they use to build them can be found practically anywhere on earth.

Yall nigs seem to think opie is talking about someone hooking up an RC controller to a normal car tomorrow to make it a VBIED instead of him merely talking about probable VBIED risk posed by self driving cars in the future. Kinda two different topics, and i agree with OP that there's definitely a risk of that, but im not sure how serious it is given the fact that most hadji are only going to get off the one self driving VBIED due to not exactly having the means to own and surreptitiously employ multiple new automobiles. While its true that the chance of penetrating a small arms protected installation is higher with an unarmored unmanned vehicle im not exactly convinced that this difference would mean too much in the grand scheme of things. but that just me.

OP here

I agree with everything you have said

Truly op imagine the horrors of war if humans developed some fantastic "remote controllable car".
This. That shit sounds expensive shaking my damn head.

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Wait until they figure out how to hack a car, send it to a rendezvous with a "pit team" that loads it full of explosives, and then send it at a target.

Or, for that matter, hacking cars and sending them onto crowded sidewalks. Anybody remember Maximum Overdrive?

>And you can probably construct a system to make a car remote driven if you know how, i seent it on the intertubes
Yeah there are only 4 inputs, steering angle, gas, brake & shift position(auto). All 4 can be perfectly mimic with any mechatronics devboard with a decent GPIO(bmw e60). The most difficult part would be getting a decent video feed remotely but since laws are not a concern then pirate HD broadcasting might work.

>Or, for that matter, hacking cars and sending them onto crowded sidewalks.

I hadn't thought of this

thanks, now I have even more reasons to be afraid of the future.

Well, I mean, people already rent vehicles for literally nothing and then drive them through crowds. The one in France was like, 83 people.

indeed. I remember that now

honestly sometimes when I'm sitting around thinking about this shit I wish we could all just go back to living on farms and not having drones and cars and shit. I'm really not enthusiastic about the future anymore.

No kidding that would be a big bomb. The moab is """only""" 19,000lb of filling. But imagine 60 thousand...

Terminal feels, my dude. Rural society is looking really fucking good right now.

Every now and then, I am a tiny bit grateful for the ATF. Theres no way in hell anyone could get their hands on 60,000 pounds of explosive precursor without a visit from their friendly neighborhood response team. Even buying fraction of that much fertilizer and aluminum powder would get you on every list in the book.

Fuck off bootlicker. Shall not be infringed.

For fuck's sake man 60klb of explosives is on the small side of tactical nuclear warheads. The Founders supported civilians owning ships of the line, but even a modern carrier or attack submarine (capital ship equivalent) doesn't generally carry nukes. 30 tons of explosives in one place is almost a strategic weapon.

SHALL

>implying Jefferson and Washington wouldnt support private ownership of mcnukes.

Here's and idea.
60000lb thermobaric
Go big or go home

>fill semi with 60,000 pounds of flour
>open up the back and drive in a circle around the target
>wait till the dust rises a little bit and then light a cigarette

Drone bombs are far easier and more threatening

Good cheap drones exist for 10 years now but muslims still orefer suicide bombers with the virgins and all

Fire Extinguishers would be better.

Fill it with explosives and ball bearings. Run the antenna through the hose.

No one gives them a second glance. They're mounted on walls in places packed with people.

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What if the build a bomb in a house
A family buys it thinking they got a sweet deal then one day boom whole block is gone

Seriously though those hackers are far more threatening with self driving cars. Could see that being an excuse to limit even more internet freedom

>72 virgins
Fuck off with this meme.

>vehiculo de investigacion
topkek

id did take decades for muslims to realise a truck down a busy pedestrian street was a good way to kill a lot of people. You are giving them too much credit for intelligense they just don´t have.

The vegas shooter could have done more with a 27 foot uhaul than an ar15. Hop the curb, through the portable fencing. Then thousands of people packed up and ready to be run over. The police could never respond with lethal force in time. As they would be fighting through stampedes to get a shot.

The vegas shooting was a gone deal gone bad and a quick cover up that worked like a charm.

This. He wasn't out for blood, it was a cover up.

His set up was too slick for some upper middle class boomer.

>He brought all his guns and ammo.
>sent the gf away
>scooped out another target in chicago
>screwed shut the fire escapes. So one path to him.
>corner room suite for multiple angles of fire
>the food cart with the video surveillance.
>firing platform set up in his room

Paddock was dead before the shooting even started. It was a philipino gang hit. The gang did a very similar hit not two months prior to the vegas shooting on their own turf. Had a goon shoot up a casino on false pretenses and dropped a tip to the cops. Dude got got. Paddock's wife was staying less than a mile from that cassino in the philipines when the vegas shooting occured. Paddock had roughly 1$00k in guns and gear in that room, packed up for transportation. His wife was wired $100k from an account in paddock's name that was accessed from several banks in asia despite paddock having been in the states at the time.
Paddock held a pilot's license, had hundreds of thousands in guns, and declared his taxes as a "profesional gambler". His wife was down the street from a known gangster/terrorist owned cassino and she just COINCIDENTALLY received the exact value of the guns that were found in paddock's room? Shit does not add up.

>self-driving cars

are gping to cause terror on their own because about 1/5th of people make their living through some sort of driving so when they end up on the streets.... good luck...

Thats just the thing. It WASNT a good setup. He had about 1 mag per rifle. All the ammo was still packaged. The guns were all cased and stacked for transportation. Many of the rifles were exact duplicates, unloaded and locked away.
Why would these firearms have been cased up if he was planning to use them?

Drones and RC cars can be jammed, a self driving car just needs an address.

>not nitrating the the flour into nitrocellulose
Bruh

they're not always going to cost $100K. Once some time has gone by, things get easier and cheaper to produce, it's going to be affordable.

The hardware to make a self driving car isnt that expensive. 90% of the controls in any modern car are either digitially modulated or fly by wire. The only modification is the steering and a few extra cameras. We're talking less than 1,000 dollars of actual hardware to make a car self driving. They COULD be 30k right now, but the software licensing is prohibitively expensive.

>tiny bit grateful for the ATF
I hope you die bleeding out after the ATF raid you and nail your dogs and family. Bet you'd like that to

because $60k on a car to blow it up makes more sense? Stop being dumb.

You know what they have even more of? Muslims ready to become matyrs

>people claiming no one would spend 100k on a car full of explosives
>meanwhile firing a Tomahawk missile costs 1-1.2 million USD

>I just want to point out that self-driving car bombs would be an extremely effective terror weapon. maybe we should be worried about this.
>what do you think?
I think the cost islamist terrorists have to sink into brainwashing an inbred islamist youth into committing suicide to go to paradise and get fucked by 72 virgin twinks is WAY less than the cost of a self driving car.
Inflitration of a predominantly muslim social structure, intel on the already radicalised ones, intel on the ones dumb enough to become suicide bombers, procurement of car and explosives, etc, all this costs less than the cost of such a car. And way too easy to be tracked down to a particular user.
Therefore and since islamists don't really don't need to spend that money in the first place to achieve the same effects, no I don't see it happening.
Add to this the onboard safeties: can't run on people, will stop in front of obstacles, etc, no, remote cars are not a good idea for islamist terrorists.

A GPS guided bomb costs around 20-50k too. A self driving car bomb really isn’t that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

>GPS guided bombs cost around 20-50k
There are no GPS guided bombs in that price range. As there are only the AGM-158, BGM-109 and MGM-140 ATACMS (which cost too damn much).

You also only get a payload of around 1,000 lbs. Model 3 Tesla has an internal capacity of 926 lbs and has been shown to tow up to 2,000 lbs.

So for the cost you could rush 10 of those at a base and get a much larger explosion than 1 guided missile.

The Taliban actually used to do that fairly routinely.

You people aren't thinking like terrorists

>be ten years from now
>call a self driving uber
>dump in a bunch of suitcases filled with bombs
>order it to the place you want blown up
>???????????
>PROFIT

>mfw people think that terrorists are actually going to pay for their own shit instead of just steal it

Everyone knows the IRA legally bought all the cars they used

I don't think it's been that much more successful than explosives, just simpler

Yea but nowadays there's GPS trackers and on-star killswitch and all sorts of things complicating that

Already exists. ISIS has a video where they tied cables to the wheel of a truck and they made an extra motor turn left and right.

WHAT IS AMAZON, UBER, LYFT, TESLA

FARC already tried that and it didn't work.

virginsFuck off with this meme.
"Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' " - Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39
11. 11.0 11.1 "Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas." - Al-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351
12. "Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The first group of people who will enter Paradise, will be glittering like the full moon... Their wives will be houris ..." - Sahih Bukhari 4:55:544

>Already exists. ISIS has a video where they tied cables to the wheel of a truck and they made an extra motor turn left and right.

Yet no arab nation has ever manufactured n actual car. Really makes you think

Wasn’t it an eod ELN dude who made himself an ISIS flavored Viking Funeral?

No one is going to be preemptively jamming drones or RC cars in a civilian setting.

And even if the start to, just strap on a GPS and feed it coordinates.

Do they use Samsung batteries?