The real threat to surface combatants always lie beneath the waves. Your massive mach 3434745 missiles that weigh more than a Saturn V might be able to disable a carrier in 1-2 hits, but any modern torpedo will sink it even easier.
Why do autists always sperg out over anti ship missiles?
John Ross
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Hudson Sanchez
Everyone knows they arent wonder weapons.
Its just low effort "le reveurse pseycholugy" mutt cope.
Gabriel Moore
>always lie beneath the waves
Not always, just at launch and terminal.
Alexander Roberts
In terms of military strategy we're essentially in the same situation as before WW1. Technology has progressed so far since the last major conflict that we have no idea if any of our assumptions are valid.
Xavier Russell
Haven't thought of it that way before, but I think you're right. Next peer conflict is gonna be a bloodbath, assuming there ever is one.
Connor Lee
Not every major war is a world war. There wasn't even a term "world war" until WWII and there have been a number of global conflicts before the WWI. The issue is not the time that passed since the last major conflict, it's that all the recent minor and major conflicts regardless of the outcome were asymmetric warfare.
Brandon Campbell
Because America's lead in submarine technology and resources is so huge that it's not very interesting to talk about.
Tyler Peterson
>Still relies on early 70s SSBNs
Lol, ok.
Chase Cook
It's hard to sell a rush on the Ohio replacement when nobody else has functional hunter killer subs anymore.
Samuel Rodriguez
>nobody else has functional hunter killer subs
China, Russia, UK, France
Anthony Morris
Because for a sub to fire a torpedo means it gets detected and shot at.
Subs will only ever engage if they are sure to get away with it.
Also, you can mount anti-ship on aircraft or even coastal batteries.
Caleb Phillips
Pretty sure that we've progressed pretty far from those days and are way better at predicting outcomes than we were back in those days, if it's not politically motivated or has marketing reasons behind it obviously.
>Next peer conflict is gonna be a bloodbath
It's going to be a lot of skirting around each other, positioning everything and finally getting it over with within a relatively small amount of time before trying to preserve as much high value assets as possible (and sending in all the surplus stuff).
Ayden Perry
Yeah the Russian navy is shit ain't it.
Jason Russell
It’s worth noting that the majority of Russia’s anemic SSBN fleet are Delta variants that are stuck in port, acting as less-survivable static missile silos.
Adam Reyes
What's worth noting is that Russia is actively building modern SSBNs, while the majority of the US anemic 70s SSBN fleet will remain just that for any foreseeable future.
Liam Morales
No u
Andrew Morales
Yes, we.
Tyler Ramirez
Anti ship missiles are ballistic missiles. You fire them they enter high altitude and come crashing down at speeds you can't intercept.
They can be conventional or nuclear with a software update.
Subs can be used to fire ballistics and sink ships from hundreds of miles away.
No one uses torpedos, they are to slow, don't have the range and can be intercepted.
Christian Allen
So you admit that the Russian navy uses outdated and inferior submarines. Nice.
Gavin Thomas
Summer's almost over bro, you should be outside with your frens
Liam Rogers
Beautiful
Daniel Diaz
Summer's been gone for monthes on this side.
Tyler Adams
>No one uses torpedos, they are to slow, don't have the range and can be intercepted.
Sauce on that? I know of more ways to intercept missiles then to intercept torpedo's.
Andrew Ross
US’ submarine force is anything but anemic and constantly in deployable rotations
Luke Perry
Notice he wrote the post as a shitty edit of the one he replied to, real summer hours.
Charles Baker
>autists
Russian Internet Defence Force you mean.
just look at this thread.
basically the same autism that happens in the
"US air superiority brought down by IMPLESSIVE Russian AA wunderwaffe !!!!1!!" threads.
the sad truth is that Russia is in an absolute state of disrepair, both as a nation and as a military threat, so internet shitposting is all there is left for them to do.
Carson Robinson
>China
A handful of noise nuke boats backed by pretty quiet but ultimately useless SSKs
>Russia
>Russia
>UK, France
Are allies, and if that changes then having too deal with peer submarines is the least of the military’s worries. And besides, the USN has almost as many Ohio’s as the Royal Navy and the Frenchies have submarines total. Combined.
Aiden Peterson
>China
Do you have any idea how many Seawolfs, LAs, and Virginias the US has in the Pacific?
A fucking shitload, and all 3 of those submarines outmatch chinese SSKs
Daniel Powell
No matter what happens on the surface or in the air, China would have a fucking NIGHTMARE dealing with USN subs
Oliver Adams
But MUH EXERCISE.
MUH SILENT DIESEL BOATS
Brayden Campbell
>70s rustcans for SSBNs
>anything but anemic
Lol, if you say so.
Cooper Sanders
>Anti ship missiles are ballistic missiles.
WAT? Most Western AShMs are sea skimming cruise missiles, not SRBMs.
Angel Walker
Joseph Butler
They superglue out because they’re gullible enough to buy Chang and vatnik shills.
Luis Edwards
>chink shilling is mutt cope
Brody Robinson
Everytime that someone posts this picture, a frog gets hard and a bong wallows in despair
Oliver Watson
Luis Hernandez
Frankly there's very little reason to update quickly, the Russian navy doesn't have the offensive capabilities to go after them.
Nathaniel Perry
They had the Battle of Tsushima
Levi Ross
US torpedo technology was using modern tech in the 90s. We aren't just in Otto fuel days anymore.
Alexander Flores
Christ, someone actually taking sense on Jow Forums
Dominic Taylor
>Pretty sure that we've progressed pretty far from those days and are way better at predicting outcomes
A conceit that every loser in every single conflict ever faught has fallen for
Fgt
Julian Perez
Why are will still acting like decoys aren't a thing? The "Hurr there's only subs and targets" boomer talk is a literal meme. Torpedoes have mediocre speed and range unless they're cavitating in which case they have even less dogshit range.
The reality is that submarines have to play their part right too, or they'll wind up with torpedoes up their ass all the same.
Levi Howard
submarines are obsolete thanks to new chinese swarms of UW drones with sub-bionic sensor array.
They can no longer hide.
Space dominance is the new race and china has already deployed there covertly .
Anthony Baker
I was wondering, would an undersea interceptor-type sub be somehow feasible?
I know that once you start an attack run you'd be mostly blind due to washout (unless some sort of active sonar can be designed to be heard over the noise), but it's unlikely anybody would be able to catch you when you're going 150+ knots.
Robert Murphy
The new Russian SSBN have been held at port rather then performing deterrence patrols as after the photo ops and domestic news coverage of the MIGHTY RUSSIAN FLEET the reality that they are too loud and would be an easy kill for a 688i, let alone a Virginia, forced Russia to hold them at dock as stationary launch platforms. They are exactly as effective as the ageing Delta class.
Jose Sanders
>Space dominance is the new race
Which the US has been winning since the 70's. Between total yearly launches, theoretical payload capacity of launchers, and total number of operational spacecraft, America blows Russia and China out of the water.
Mason Hall
>useless SSKs
>sneaking up within 9 miles your of carrier undetected inside a CBG
nothing personnel kid
Christopher Walker
*During exercises.
Grayson Cox
I was talking about the Chinese sub in 2006
Adam Torres
Like finding a gold nugget in a Siberian latrine
Sebastian Cook
You don't react in peacetime, otherwise they get a better idea of sensor capabilities.
Josiah Morris
warhistoryonline.com
>The carrier was surrounded by a dozen of ships in a protective formation, but nevertheless, the Chinese sub managed to slip through unnoticed. It came as a surprise that the Americans were unable to detect the lone submarine earlier, for their extensive defense screen included a submarine and anti-submarine helicopters, all responsible for protecting the battle group from an underwater attack.
?
and the Chinese has literally 99 of those. Are you saying that they can preemptively take out the Pacific fleet using submarines?
Oliver Stewart
No, you don't respond in peacetime because it tells the enemy about the capabilities of your sensors. They don't try to shoot down North Korean missiles that fly over japan for the same reason, they don't want to expose the capabilities of the interceptor.