Fembots, how many of you wish you were men or have penis envy?

If it kills the fantasy at all the average guy cums less than a teaspoon and coming two teaspoons is pretty rare. It's nothing like chinese cartoons where the guy shoots out enough jizz to fill a milk jug.

i do not like "feminine" behaviors or ideals
the very nature of the word "effeminant" is a good example of how women are inferior/shit in terms of how their default behavior is viewed. it's a negative word.
the things associated with it are being soft, drawn to frivolous things, emotionality, etc. women are associated with all of the things i do not want to be. i idolized masculine "hero" archetypes my entire life. i played the male characters in games. i lied for years on the internet and said i was a man and felt "comfortable" in the psychology i then acted out in that "role".
also pregnancy, childbirth, etc. is fucking horrifying and i am resentful of the fact that that's what my biology assigns to me while men don't have that. leaky vaginas are also gross. menstruation is gross. boobs are gross. lactation is gross. nursing a baby is gross. women's fat, jiggly thighs are gross. their lack of hard shapes and lines and excessive curves and fat is gross.

i am also smaller and by default weaker. i can be overpowered and will be regarded with some infantalization in many circumstances. i have a massive drive to be something like a guard dog - to be extremely devoted to someone, protect them, serve them, and even die some glorious martyr tier death for them. but that isn't for women. i am small and have 40% less upper body strength than a man who is the same height as me.

sex is also somewhat horrifying as a female. you are letting someone just ram a body part inside of you. it seems gross and violating. you are also, as a female, much less able to "contribute" during that. the man is in control. i don't like not being the one in control. i want to lead, not follow. also vaginas are just lame. they don't ejaculate. you can't look at them easily. they're ugly as sin. they're not "goofy" and playful either.

no, i never went through with any part of the ftm meme. i idolized it up until my late teens/early twenties but talked myself out of it for a number of reasons.

i don't have orbiters and am not interested in sex.
i have also either never had an orgasm (this is very common for women; although i haven't had sex so maybe it would be different, but from what i have seen, regular PIV sex is even less likely to produce an orgasm than masturbation for women) or they have been so absolutely underwhelming that i didn't notice them as being anything more than a barely detectable contraction of my pelvic muscles.

>tourists lost the penis museum

wtf are you on? i can cum more than a tablespoon easy

You must have a male friend who you would like to become carnal with, just to see what it's like.

i only want a life-long permanent relationship/marriage or comparable

i want an eternal companion.

Understandable, but you have heard of femdom right? Being in control as the woman is very doable, and a friend of mine doesn't do penetration at all.
Also you can still work out, and do martial arts. A trained martial artist is a far, far beter fighter than an untrained but stronger dude.

Damn this post makes me feel good I was born a man

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You seem nice so I'm going to save that barrage of rude sexual shit I had prepared to say to you for someone who deserves it.

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Wow. You made some pretty good points as to why it probably sucks to be a chick.
Lets see those boobs though. Make us superior guys happy

be my handsome/manly gf

i do not want degenerate fetishes.
i want my nature, in its wholesome not-degenerate state, to not be the one who lies back and takes with little ability to work to please the other. i want to be the one who protects and serves. i want to be the one held accountable and responsible. not the one protected, pitied, and infantilized while cherished/worshipped in some soft regard.

>Also you can still work out, and do martial arts. A trained martial artist is a far, far beter fighter than an untrained but stronger dude.
i knew this response would come when i was writing what i did. this is not the point. yes, i could work out and be tougher than some dude just from knowing how to fight, but that is not the point. have you never seen those videos of trained policewomen still getting btfo? female firefighters? female military personnel? i can only go so far in trying to erase my biology and nature.
the point is my very nature is a nature in one of two categories. i am either the weak category, or the strong category. everything flows out of that and even if i became some Jow Forums girl, it would not erase the reality of what i am. it would not change the entire reality and how understood it is that women are weaker. it would not change the fatherly behavior men will express to me, even though i want to be the fatherly one. it would also not change that i am short and the majority of men will still always look down on me LITERALLY due to this.

LOL dumb roast just learn to take a dick and accept no dude's going to see you as an equal

here take this post as a fine example of "why i wanted to be male and will remain discontent over the fact that i cannot alter reality and the past"

One study, "Semen analysis parameters: Experiences and insight into male infertility at a tertiary care hospital in Punjab" defined hyperspermia as >5ml of ejaculatory volume, where the men were instructed to abstain from sex for 3-4 days, found the prevalance was about 3.5%. They also reference a study from nigeria showing 1.7% prevalence.

Hyperspermia, ejaculation that's significantly over a teaspoon, is associated with infertility and miscarriages because often it occurs due to overproduction of seminal fluid with insufficient semen causing dillution. So if you aren't either underestimating how big a tablespoon is, or overestimating how big your cumshots are, there's a good chance you're going to have fertility issues.

>overproduction of seminal fluid with insufficient SPERM causing dillution

correction.

Be my masculine gf

You should date a tranny, roast beef you'd be a perfect fit.
PS most women are jealous men are respected, it's called feminism, they'd rather sit around whining about men getting admiration than do anything worth it. Typical roast.

d'awwwww, wittle girl is a wittle upset, yes she is. cute!

do any femanons ever pee standing up?

not like i was ever getting a gf so aint even mad lol, even if i did, no risk of preggers

Penis should have dominion of all life. Its depictions of Penis should be seen everywhere, and fonts of precum and thick rich semen flowing freely in the place of every drinking fountain. Also cock scented everything.

i don't want to date a tranny
they're mentally ill sexual deviants who watched too much porn to the point of fetishizing themselves as the girl

there is also nothing i can actually do to change reality. i accepted i am not a man and refused to fall for the transgender meme just to coddle my own feelings. i do not know what more could be done.

i tried a few times and it just runs down your leg or if you try to move stuff to adjust, you piss on your hand

Nah, they're nice but I'd never give up my pussy

>i don't want to date a tranny
>they're mentally ill sexual deviants who watched too much porn to the point of fetishizing themselves as the girl
I'm surprised you'd think that after struggling with your own gender desu
Is it jealousy how they transitioned and you did not?

no, because i recognized my own impulses to go through with it are disordered and a psychological defect
the motivations are different for ftm to mtf. ftm is usually perceived inferiority of females/superiority of male, insecure about being weak, etc. mtf is usually "lol cum in me daddy im adorable love me also sex sex sex degenerate fetish fetish fetish im a real girl too fetish"
they're basically just the dyke lesbian and faggot gay taken to their most extremes. dyke lesbians aren't that sexually degen but just wanna be respected and powerful, gays fuck thousands of men and just want cummies.

>i tried a few times and it just runs down your leg or if you try to move stuff to adjust, you piss on your hand

keep trying, if you practice you can do it as well as a guy.

also, can you show me?

How tall are you? Do you work out? I think "amazon" girls, tall and strong, are hot. Not from some weird submissive point of view, but more practical. A cavegirl that chases boars with a spear instead of running away from mice just sounds like a much more useful partner than a helpless diva.

Besides, most people nowadays are weak, fat and pumped full of meds and corn syrup, you can become strong and respectable relative to them easily.

i'm 5'6"
i grew up doing farm work at home and held a manual labor job until last year.
was relatively muscular from upbringing + work but it's going to flab now that i have a desk job and i can't be bothered to work out "without purpose". i miss doing laborous work but it doesn't pay enough.
i worked on a ranch as a teenager and my boss nicknamed me muscles and it was cute. B)

>"feminine" behaviors or ideals
Kindness and empathy are just as important as reason and ambition for society. A community must be built on trust and love, which starts in the family. Many problems arise without this: people distrust each other, try to harm each other, and create a sort of "darker" atmosphere so to speak. It's kind of hard to explain, but try to look at smaller, homogeneous communities and compare that to "multicultural" large urban places and the issues are more apparent. A lot of these issues start at the home, since there aren't any proper parental figures. I feel unsatisfied in this explanation but I hope you get the gist; I guess I'm just not feeling it much today.

>i have a massive drive to be something like a guard dog - to be extremely devoted to someone, protect them, serve them, and even die some glorious martyr tier death for them. but that isn't for women.
Reminds me of Saber from the Fate/Stay Night series, funnily enough. Although women are weaker, they can use tools to increase their power and thus ability to protect. Learn how to use guns and other weapons. It would be fine if you found a partner who felt the same way and you could protect each other. But on the other hand, there isn't much to protect from these days. Instead you should focus on other things, maybe politics, to fuel that drive you have. I don't know.

Oh and on the biology stuff I don't like talking about bodies and their effects, sorry. Too bad about those things.

I wish I was a man because everything is easier for them. They aren't constantly belittled and told they are worthless except when it comes to sex.

i used to wish i was a man and who am i kidding, i still do. not tranny

>Kindness and empathy are just as important as reason and ambition for society.
i don't care about importance for society in this context; that is fine for society but what i was talking about was in relation to myself as an individual. it is not what my "soul" or whatever word you want to use seems to be drawn towards. the "male soul in female body ;_;" meme holds some truth in the feeling.

>Reminds me of Saber from the Fate/Stay Night series
i have never heard of this so i don't get the comparison really

>It would be fine if you found a partner who felt the same way and you could protect each other.
except he will, by default, due to being the male and being larger feel obligated to protect me more. i cannot defy the basic aspects of reality that feed into the more nuanced ones. "but you can play the male role in x way" will not replace the foundation of "male is x, female is z".

Sometimes you have to accept that people will have their own perceptions of others and there's nothing you can do to change it. You should worry more about yourself than the way people see you. What is there to protect anyway? I'm not really sure I understand. Fight for justice instead.

aah Iceland, always proving to be the pinnacle of civilization

I don't wish to be a man but penis envy is strong with me.

>reminder that there are women that are more of a man than you

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Give up and just accept what you are. You can't change it anyway. You'll also probably be happier. Funnily enough a lot of those feminine things that you think are "gross" are things that you would find attractive and valuable in a woman if you were a man.

it is not solely to how people see me.
i do not have good words to explain.
i am of one thing. that one thing is unchangeable and has its own details in and of itself; even those unrelated to anyone "seeing" them or me in a certain light.
a tree is a tree and has qualities of being a tree regardless of if anyone sees the tree.
but i hate the qualities that are inherent in being a tree.
i have no idea how to explain this any better.

>Funnily enough a lot of those feminine things that you think are "gross" are things that you would find attractive and valuable in a woman if you were a man.

>men are attracted to women therefore you should like those qualities in yourself, because men do
user pls

>Give up and just accept what you are. You can't change it anyway.
if you read the posts you would see i have said multiple times i refused to engage in the ftm tranny nonsense because i cannot change what i am. i can work to "accept" it but it's not an easy little flick the switch and make a decision thing like it is with saying "no, i will not engage in the ftm transition bullshit". not engaging in the ftm bullshit is a concise, clear decision. "accepting" yourself is some nuanced strange mess that doesn't really make sense.

>i can't be bothered to work out "without purpose"
Yeah I know that feel. Some people approach getting a hobby from the angle of creating a purpose, like they buy a broken car so they'll have to fix it, and it's not redundant since you'll probably save a lot of money too.

I can't really recommend a solution like this for working out since I haven't figured out any non-arbitrary goal to it myself. I figure it's not too good to only follow expectations, everyone else views me working and studying positively but I actually don't have anything in my life that I'm working towards, it feels empty and I just have nothing better to do so I just try to get money and better papers.

>>men are attracted to women therefore you should like those qualities in yourself, because men do
I'm simply saying that those things are not actually "gross" and that they are near-universally valued by other people (women too).
>"accepting" yourself is some nuanced strange mess that doesn't really make sense.
I'd think of it as not resenting immutable aspects of your being.

i have no real goals besides "ensure you have a job you can survive off of risking being homeless again"

i have no purpose and no cause

i watch the jordan memerson sometimes and the way he talked about speaking about responsibility and duty in front of young men causing them to light up and engage resonates with me
but everything in reality seems abstract or contradictory or too confusing to commit myself to, or just hollow/selfish

>I'm simply saying that those things are not actually "gross" and that they are near-universally valued by other people (women too).
the post was "why do you not want to be female" not "why are female traits universally hated"
i do not like them. there are men that like big bobs and men that like flat chests.

>I'd think of it as not resenting immutable aspects of your being.
it is more nuanced than that and becomes highly confusing when trying to categorize things to sort out what is actually a negative trait worth being repulsed by, and what is a "good" trait i have some personal aversion to due to psychological defects, and how much of that is actually due to my nature and "normal" to the point that going against it would be unnatural
this is hard for me to put into words

that's sexy and i don't know quite why

Do you think they'd take us?

just become a femdom girl desu femanon

see: am not interested in degenerate sexual fetishes

femdom isn't a "degenerate fetish" desu senpai just accept it it's clear you will like it

sorry I replied before reading through the thread but you see now what I have to say about that

what about a casual pee fetish?

degenerate
abhorrent

well you're a prude cunt then

femanon come to the light, femdom is the future anyway and you want to be in control and stuff. You'll be happier doing it I'm not trying to shill or convert you but rather set free the truth within you

Femdom is always going to be obscure because its unnatural for women to be dominating. Even women that hate being women think its weird and gross. That should tell you something.

>its unnatural for women to be dominating.
prove that's it's "natural"/"innate" and not conditioned
>Even women that hate being women think its weird and gross. That should tell you something.
It tells me nothing but that women have been completely psychologically annihilated into being submissive

>prove that's it's "natural"/"innate" and not conditioned
All of human history.

i do not want to sodomize a man
no thankyou

Meh, I do wish I wouldn't have to deal with misogyny, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't give up being female for the world.

>All of human history.
that's literally not an argument.
In order to actually prove it you'd need to provide brain scans and DNA sequences that showed that ALL women ALWAYS are submissive someone. Anything less than that will NEVER be sufficient and there is nothing you can say against this.
OF course, if you could provide that data I'll concede. So put up the data.
femdom =/= pegging or sodomizing men.

>that's literally not an argument.
There is no natural outside of what has occurred in reality. There is no context of women without men as women are part of the human species which contains two sexes. The universal experience of humanity for its entire existence is that women are submissive. If you won't accept that, you can enjoy your delusions. It doesn't matter much to me.

Well it was mostly a justification against the idea that women are inherently useless or worse than men, not to try to belittle your situation.

On Fate/Stay Night, I'd say it's a slightly above average anime, which means it isn't really that good. But because the Saber character will make you think "whoa literally me" I reluctantly recommend that you watch it. I'll even watch it with you if you'd like. I have a female friend who has some masculine traits so maybe you could talk to her about that stuff.

>except he will, by default, due to being the male and being larger feel obligated to protect me more.
Generally that's true, but like you there are people who have traits that are uncommon for their gender. So, just like a masculine woman is possible, so are feminine men. Don't confuse these with soyboys though, stay far away from those. "We're all gonna make it bro." Either way, a partner isn't inherently necessary but if you're looking for one that's something that might be helpful.

>i have no idea how to explain this any better.
Nah don't worry I get it. It's an Aristotlean mode of thinking. In other words, you believe that gender is part of the essence of a human (which I honestly can't remember if it's part of the essence or accidence). Regardless, you can choose your own path and don't have to be bogged down by it. What sorts of things are preventing you from doing what you want to do?

There is no way to show, without showing what I said, that women are INNATELY submissive. Human society and history doesn't work because whether or not women are innately submissive wouldn't matter because they have never been able to express non-submissive behavior. On top of that, if it turns out humans are pretty much 'blank slates' then cultures that taught women to be submissive would make it such that women want to be submissive but that STILL wouldn't mean that they are innately submissive, only that they have been trained to be that way.
You aren't stupid user, you know what I'm saying. Until you provide neuroscientist and genetic evidence that shows that women are INNATELY submissive, then you can not claim that they are.

>But because the Saber character will make you think "whoa literally me"
why is this

>Nah don't worry I get it. It's an Aristotlean mode of thinking.
tfw i read too much psuedo philosophical garbage and converse about it that it has evidently altered my brain functions

>What sorts of things are preventing you from doing what you want to do?
i don't really want to do anything. it's just an acknowledgement about my existence. the way society/etc. is currently doesn't give me any opportunity to utilize the sort of feelings i have anyway. everything is very domestic and you are constrained mostly to "work job to survive, take up domestic hobbies to keep brain from killing itself while not working necessary job".
as a kid i could get away with standing up to other people being violent and utilizing violence in doing so, but as an adult that is not really a thing... i liked protecting my sister/friends and beating up other kids. they were like little mini primitive human wars i could take part in.
any jobs that would enable that are off limits to me either due to qualifications or the fact that i would be a physically subpar choice for it, so i know it would be selfish to take that job.

Did you even fucking read their post?

>why is this
Masculine woman who gets triggered when treated feminine; strong, protects her partner like you say you want to; lots of pride and ambition. I dunno, I feel like I'm decent at judging people's characters. You'll see what I mean. Maybe fast forward past the boring parts if you don't feel like watching it that much.

>any jobs that would enable that are off limits to me either due to qualifications or the fact that i would be a physically subpar choice for it, so i know it would be selfish to take that job.
Oh I see. Just be a cop if you want to beat up bad guys. Even if you won't be as good as a trained man, I'd prefer having you protect me than another woman or no one at all. Don't worry about that kind of stuff. Your argument would have merit if there were an infinite amount of men, but there aren't, so you aren't necessarily stealing the job from another man.

>never had an orgasm (this is very common for women

this is not very common for women...you also feel for this meme.

no, it really is common for women in comparison to men. this was just to illustrate the point that female sex has it's disadvantages in contrast to men.

>"About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances."

Women don't even need to orgasm. Their genitalia works the same. Men need to orgasm to release semen.
The clitoris is essentially a deformed penis, there is really no reason for it to have any feeling at all.

and how many of those are religious or have been raped? being unable to orgasm for a normal female is obviously possible, but rare.

and women are retarded and don't know what they want anyways.

yes, they don't need to
but orgasms are what feel good and they do trigger a rush of chemicals in both sexes

women have a harder time achieving the feel good and the chemicals due to the fact that if a man can't orgasm, his genes don't get passed on so its unlikely the trait of no-orgasm will be passed on. if a woman can't orgasm, whatever. she'll still get pregnant (it does, from my psuedoscience knowledge, aid in upping chances of conceiving though).

religious or raped or special scenario doesn't matter. point is guy is almost guaranteed cummies. girls get to feel sexually frustrated and potentially not get off for weeks, years, or ever in their entire lives.

Women just don't deserve sexual pleasure you see how they slut around normally. Snipping off the clit at birth will fix that.

cutting of the clit doesn't fix that, retard. slutty hookups aren't sexually pleasurable for women, they're done for vanity or power.

It'll guarantee women don't get sexual rewards from that behaviour. The clit is useless for reproduction anyway, if men have to be circumcised women should be too.

>i am also smaller and by default weaker. i can be overpowered and will be regarded with some infantalization in many circumstances.

You don't need great physical strength to protect someone. I doubt this will change your mind, but your post made me remember when years ago I had a gf that protected me. It was a long distance relationship with a pretty big age gap, but I still loved her for her intelligence and spunk. Every other week we would visit each other, splitting the difference where either I would drive out to her or I'd buy her a bus ticket to come to me. Well, one of those times I was driving her from the bus station I was driving on a four lane road near my home and forgot that it merged into a two lane, thus I ended up cutting this guy off on accident. He got real pissed and motioned to me to stop at the next supermarket parking lot. I didn't really want to deal with this and when he turned in I kept going. This pissed him off even more so he started chasing me. I tried to lose him in some side streets, but he kept up. Frustrated and scared I went to another supermarket nearby so I wouldn't lead him to my house. As soon as I parked he got out and started yelling at me. I didn't even say a word, my gf called him a dumbass and told him he should watch where he's going, totally shutting him down and standing between us. She was only 5'4" too.

>i am small and have 40% less upper body strength than a man who is the same height as me.
I'm a man and I'm not even terribly strong compared to a lot of people. I can only bench 145 lbs. and that's only from lifting this past year. My brother is a few years younger that me and shorter than me and lifts a lot more than I do. Life isn't only about how much you can lift, social strength and mental fortitude or equally as important.

they don't get sexual rewards in the first place, that's my point. it's not done for that reason, it's done for societal/mental reasons.

You really think sluts get absolutely no sexual pleasure from it?

you know how the best way to turn a girl on is to get into her head? like just physically touching a girl doesn't work as well as working up to it with words/actions? that's what happens with hookups for women, they get pleasure but it's primarily a mental thing that then spills over to sexual pleasure.

just saying that a clit-less muzzie would be the same as a liberal college chick in terms of what they get out of a drunk hookup.

Pissing off of balconies and other shit sounds fun, but refractory periods sound gay and lame.
Being stronger and smarter would be neat, but as an ugly broad, the social pariah life of being an ugly man would be fucking unbearable (if r9k is to be believed).
I'd give it a whirl if I had a magic sex change machine that'd let me switch back, but I'd also just see what it's like to be a nigger or a giraffe.

1. would fembots rather be a trap or a futa
2. would fembots rather have a regular dick, or a giant dick

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women should get dicks that are analogous to their current cunt situation. so roasties get little mangled dicks and simps get big beautiful uncircumcised dicks.

pretty much this.

I dont exactly wish I had a penis all the time, but I hate pretty much every connotation to the word female.

I hate that i'll always require protection from a male, I hate that my body is useless outside of sex or children, I hate knowing i'll never be the best at anything because my body and mind are just biologically inferior.

im 90% sure I would make a better male than female, but I think it really depends on a persons personality.

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i don't get this mindset, being weak and worthless is what makes being female great. i love needing to be taken care of, i love knowing that i exist for another person's pleasure or to fulfill a biological need to reproduce.

acceptance and reveling in this fact is the ultimate female redpill. life is a warm cup of tea once you start enjoying your purpose.

Well, it's a fetish but it's not inherently degenerate. Just keep and open mind and give it a try, if you don't like it then you just don't do it anymore, but it could be great both sexually and psychologically

Plus it doesn't have to be a leather and whips kind of thing, you can just try light femdom or even simply being a little more dominant in bed

Well, you could study and workout A LOT

You will probably not be as good as a man but you can get close if you put some effort into it

I'd just much rather be the one providing instead of sitting around being nothing more than a fucktoy or pet, what kind of life is that? You never accomplished anything through hard work, you just got taken care of like a child your entire life? No thanks.

I cant imagine how great it must feel for guys to have a small girlfriend to protect knowing that she quite literally needs his protection/strength in a lot of situations.

Why don't you be my mommy girlfriend femanon :)

I used to really want to be a boy but I grew out of it. I think it's because I've never felt "feminine" and was bullied badly. I wanted to be a boy as an "escape" to another life, as if being a short big-nosed dude would have given me an easier time. I've never envied the dick physically and think it would be weird to have it between your legs sticking out like that, weirds me out thinking about what it must feel like, would feel exposing maybe.

the weakest male is still stronger than the strongest female on average.

can't imagine, i'm a female not some weird tranny abomination