Are suicide tendencies purely a symptom of depression or are there logical reasons to want to die?
Are suicide tendencies purely a symptom of depression or are there logical reasons to want to die?
Ethan Kelly
Eli Hall
Only purely logical reason i can think of is in order to avoid torture, there might be more
Camden Diaz
Chronic/terminal health issue.
William Ortiz
Redemption for an irredeemable failure.
Carson Robinson
death isn't redemption, redemption involves making amends for the failure, death is an escape
Bentley Foster
not having a gf makes people suicidal
Joseph Powell
depending on your beliefs death may be a way of making amends for the failure.
Thomas White
Suicide rates are interesting when you look at the world as a whole,
>>worldpopulationreview.com
Shithole countries dont necessarilly mean more suicides so I guess that links in with depression.
As for logical reasons to die of course there are medical ones, other than that you can blame religion for inspiring people to believe that suicide/martydom is logical....
Jonathan Ortiz
What the fuck does suicide tendencies even mean? I don't tend to commit suicide, "what are you doing on the weekend user?" "Probably what I normally do and commit fucking suicide"
Nolan Collins
if you know that your life is going to be much worse off in the future because of whatever reason, typically terminal illness, then its entirely rational to want to die to minimize your future suffering.
also if your suicide can result in bettering other people's lives through insurance payouts, organ donations etc. then i can see a reason for you to fake-death/suicide to help your friends and family
finally if you have anhedonia like me, then your brain can no longer generate pleasure from doing things so life is literally meaningless, then you can just die rather than play this game of life that you get nothing from and don't want to play anymore
death isn't an 'escape', in the sense that you're not 'running away from problems'. death is a deliberate decision, a choice you make which results in the cessation of reality for reasons that can be entirely logical. when you die, your brain, the interface between 'you' and 'the world' ceases to function, so imo when people say 'oh you never know life is gonna get better', 'all problems are temporary, death is permanent' its entirely irrelevant. when you're dead you can't perceive anything. unless you believe in the afterlife, which i don't and many brilliant people don't.
Angel Anderson
to who? God?
William Reyes
>you can blame religion for inspiring people to believe that suicide is logical
>wants to stop suffering
>offs himself
seems pretty logical to me but I don't see how it relates with religion.
Michael Taylor
Im guessing OP means the propensity to want to commit suicide.
Gay people have a tendency to be more likely to take drugs. Dogs have a tendancy to shit outdoors. etc etc
Lincoln Parker
depression is suffering; it is easier to off yourself than endure that suffering, or make changes that would ease that suffering. im not sure suicide could be justified logically just because nobody knows what lies beyond death, it could be worse.
Bentley Rivera
Religion can make people believe that
A) When you die there is something else to go to
B) If you commit suicide in the name of religion you will be rewarded. (Suicide bombers Islam) Religious Martyrs existed in Christianity as well.
Nolan Jones
>God?
since OP said LOGICAL I have to say no.
>to who?
Yourself.
>failure
>thinks making your family really sad is a good punishment and will even things out
FAILURE AMENDED
Lincoln Young
I'm a brainled, sorry. I thought you said there was a religious exclusivity for "logical" suicide reasons.
William Kelly
symptom of depression, if you want to die you probably have some sort of mental issue, unless you're trying to avoid a fate worse than death
John Rogers
Haha well they believe it is logical and I didnt want to offend religious types.
Seems highly illogical to me spock
Charles Lewis
I also think you have to consider what drives people to suicide. If you live in the US I have always found it amazing that since 2012 you consistently have more American soldiers dieing of suicide than in combat.
Anyway as you were asking about "logical suicide"
Heres an article about someone who thought they had worked it all out:
>>independent.co.uk
Leo Jackson
No note? That's really suspicious.
Xavier Moore
>being a notefag
Why bother leaving a fucking note?
Carson Moore
I'm suicidal because I have low functioning IQ. I have to live like this knowing that there's absolutely nothing out there that can fix me. I can't live a functional life I never had. My IQ's robbed of so many opportunities I could've pursued. I just want to die
Lucas Ross
>hurr durr I gotta share my thoughts and feelings with the world
Fuck off faggot
Chase Johnson
>"what are you doing on the weekend user?" "Probably what I normally do and commit fucking suicide"
Thanks for the giggle
Michael Price
If you have a crippling disease. It has to be a real one, not depression or anxiety or shit that's all in your head.
Think about it, if you're ready to die in a way you can treat life as if your were invincible. You wanna put on a mask and start beating up villains, or you know, dark people you can.
Ryan Butler
>'oh you never know life is gonna get better'
I've been hearing this bullshit for a third of a century...
Colton Adams
And yet you made your comment.
Jonathan Bailey
No logical reason, unless of course you are already bound to die a torturous premature death, where there is no possible way to avoid the pain and your are imminently bound to die.
That being said, mental or social problems are not even close to being that kind of reason. As long as you have the potential to lessen the current amount of suffering you experience, then you have zero valid reason to kill yourself.
Zachary Baker
It isn't going to get better unless you take the steps to assert clear goals and objectives to make it better. Life doesn't hand you happiness on a silver platter. You have to work and suffer for it.
Ayden Brown
>when you're dead you can't perceive anything
this is just as much a belief as the afterlife is
Aiden Miller
Happiness isn't related to "muh hard work" at all you stupid fuck
Jordan Wood
Raping and impregnating a family member is something that warrants redemption by death
Luis Perez
Yes but occam's razor. The one theory needs more fleshing out than the other
Gabriel Reyes
There are definitely logical reasons to kill yourself. A few have already been mentioned, impending torture, insurance payout, withering away from cancer and medical bills. While life is more than likely the only thing our conciousness will expeirence, that doesnt mean that ending it prematurely is objectively wrong.
For the longest time, i never understood why anyone would kill themselves. Temporary problem, permanent solution and all that. But in just the last 3 years, ive realized that ive lost interest in nearly everything that i used to enjoy. I have one hobby that i enjoy at the moment, and ive been engaging in it less these last few months. Im usually fine throughout the week while im busy working, but during the weekend, it hits me like a fucking freight train. I truely dont enjoy anything anymore, ill get random spurts of joy and happiness every once in a while that might last a day, but even those are getting less frequent. The only things keeping me going at this point are my families happiness, and not having the balls to kill myself.