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>Do you feel you will be appreciated and encouraged for putting effort into care of your appareance as a woman, more than you are now as a man?

No, just the opposite. I have always generally taken care of my appareance. I know for a fact that I will be ridiculed, mocked, and targeted for dressing differently (hint: because I have been in the past). My family hates trans people, what praise could I possibly have to gain?

>Do you want to feel carefree and appreciated like a woman? Do you think there is a way you could feel something like that in your normal life?

I feel like I've been appreciated in my life. Perhaps not carefree, but that's just my personality. I have, however, felt depressed for many years and have never felt or thought like a man. Dressing as a woman,dreaming of being one, feeling happier than I ever have to hear someone call me by a feminine name and pronouns - all of those things are fairly convincing. You asked what a biological woman has that I do not, and really for me the most important thing is that they have recognition of their womanhood. I do feel trapped by not having the correct body parts, but that would feel a lot less important if I had acceptance.

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Would you say the masculinity of a man is less recognized or less valued?
Tell me of the last time you felt proud of something you have achieved though effort or overcoming of your own limitations. Who took notice or applauded you for that?

>Would you say the masculinity of a man is less recognized or less valued?

Less recognized or less valued than what? I honestly do not understand what you mean, could you clarify?

>Tell me of the last time you felt proud of something you have achieved though effort or overcoming of your own limitations. Who took notice or applauded you for that?

Overcoming limitations as in, "I achieved something above and beyond my previous capabilities?" I can certainly say that I achieved a major goal in my professional career last year and am working towards an academic degree. My parents both took note and celebrated with me, as well as my group of friends, several women and two guys my age.

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>wearing girl clothes makes my pee pee hard so that must mean I'm a girl on the inside

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You're the one who brought up hard dicks m8

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So?

>animefag is retarded

wow who would've thunked

>So?
Proves you're wrong. But apparently mad enough to keep hanging out in the thread.

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>If you dont like trannies youre not a true robot
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Trannies are actual shills being pushed and normalized by the media in the general public and discord here. Theyre just something to jack off too in shame from time to time bc you have no self control/are a repressed faggot.

>never felt or thought like a man
how does a 'man' feels and thinks? if I feel a certain way, should I cut my dick off?

How the fuck does any of the shit I said prove me wrong?

The only reason I'm still here is because your stupidity is making me angry.

The reason that you're a normalfag is that you told someone to leave for being an unlovable freak, for not being normal as you perceive it to be. You can't claim to be anti-normalfag and be away from their shit if you're going to do the very same things that they did to you for being socially unskilled and the such.

you'll probably do fine user!
do you wanna talk about it?
eggy cracked

>your stupidity is making me angry

Not exactly difficult to anger a brainlet.

You attempted to invalidate trans people as fetishists despite the fact that nobody was talking about sexual attraction or "hard dicks" until you brought it up. cheers.

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nah you might pass after all, and trannies get great sex. if you're into it you can always go into prostitution, men pay a lot for a good lookin trans woman

i know a girl who was a full on chad before she transitioned, like, 6 ft 2, nice jawline, good looking face, top tier athlete and had 2 degrees on scholarship in maths and english, and even though you'd imagine it to be a pure disaster upon transition i get really hard when i see her legs and cleavage. nice ass in jeans too idk and i think she's a D cup somehow

so not all hope is lost user

(cont) she also transitioned at like 22 and has a nice body anyway. you might need facial feminisation surgery one day if you want stuff like the browbone gone tho

So if you shit on girls for having pussys youre a normalfag? If you shit on nigs for nogging youre a normalfag? I think youre a actualfag. Youre just defending trannies bc you like their porn. Transitioning is the most wow look at me normalfaggot shit you can do. They make their entire lives about their fucking (((gender))).

Yeah this. Why do the people who don't agree with transition and act like it's a fad also bring up cocks all the time? It's gross and you're gross.

Just because you're repressing very natural gay urges doesn't mean trans people are all about that cock

>brings up porn
>makes their lives about their fucking "gender"
>BROWSES R9K

Is this a dream? The moment you started browsing r9k to whine and bitch you made your life about your gender, you fucking retard

Holy shit youre retarded. I already said its a shill. I dont bitch about being a man, you stupid fuck.

You can't tell that you think and feel like a man because you DO think and feel like a man. You wouldn't notice anything was wrong, because nothing IS wrong.

The cleanest way to explain trans people is this:

The first burst of testosterone and estrogen in the womb determines outer physical sexual characteristics. So you first develop your dick, skeleton, and the balls etc (which will determine hormones in life and puberty usually).

However, during brain development, if you experience a boost of estrogen or not enough testosterone, your brain will develop as a woman's brain. Genuinely: women have a larger section of the brain linked with empathy. Harvard have a big lecture on how trans women also have this larger section of the brain, before they ever go on hormones. It's known as a sex characteristic, but for some reason trans women have it.

Why? Because their brains are female, due to a dysfunction of hormone development in the womb.

Because nothing about the brain feels innately gendered, it's hard to describe the feeling trans people have, but it's absolutely scientifically documented and valid - that's why people treat it by having the body match the brain and not vice versa: because the body is what's wrong.

A shill for what? Big Gender? Besides, Jow Forums isn't one person but as a whole, the board is completely obsessed with gender and the idea that men are treated poorly becuase of their gender.

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>Big Gender

Good shit.

>pretending not to know
Okay. You keep going to bat for trannies so they feel welcome here. A board for original green text thats been over run with loathing young men somehow constantly bombarded with gay shit.

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>BIG GENDER IS REAL
This is great. So are Big Gender unaware of or just not interested in the whole huge trans murder rate?

Perhaps some young people's self loathing is rooted in an unsure gender identity. If this board is actually for people who feel marginalized and want to tell their stories,why are you being the normie police about it?

You have a job you are good at, good friendss and are working at a degree. Be proud of yourself. You have more reasons to be happy than I have. You are more capable at being organized and creating something meaningful than I am. This might be hard to think about, but what hat are you working towards right now?
Also I meant to ask if you think the masculinity of a man is less valued than the femininity of a woman, sorry for the confusion.

>there is no money to be made in people transitioning
>medicinal companies care about suicide rates
I really wasnt going there, you brought that up in jest, but there.
Advocation of transition is a detriment. Its just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

Oh, I see, so Big Gender wants their forever-paying customers to die extremely young. Sound logic.

I'm interested though, what's this other effective therapy, that is not hormone treatment, sex reassignment surgery or facial feminisation surgery, that you know about, that works to help trans people? Seeing as you know so much about what trans people want, and seeing as trans people are apparently clueless about their own needs.

>Advocation of transition is a detriment. Its just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

I genuinely hope you read my response, because this is a huuuuuge misconception. Being trans does not always include medical procedures, nor do doctors and advocates of trans rights recommend transition as a blanket solution.
For many people, physical modifications can and do ease the symptoms of gender dysphoria, but trans people come in all shapes and sizes. Many choose not to physically modify their bodies, like Caitlyn Jenner. While advocating for availability of physical transition is important, you have blown it completely out of proportion. Attitudes about what a trans person "should" look like (i.e. passing) in order to meet the "standard" is much more harmful in the long run.

>Be proud of yourself.
I am proud of the things I've accomplished. Right now I am mostly focusing on coursework and learning French in my spare time. Unfortunately, a lot of that is negatively impacted by my depression - it sounds good but doesn't really reflect the weeks where I can barely get out of bed and long nights spent contemplating suicide.

>I meant to ask if you think the masculinity of a man is less valued than the femininity of a woman

That's a tough question, and I can only really answer my thoughts on USA culture. For the dominant culture, ideas about gender roles have changed radically in the past 100 years and are poised to change again with openly trans people becoming more visible in the mainstream. That said, I think femininity has been given undue priority as a replacement for "toxic masculinity." I know that phrase is reviled on this board, but you can't tell me it's not toxic when men hear from other men that they must always project either strength, anger, or lust. EVERYONE has more emotions than that. The problem is that men have not had the conversation with their sons that women have had with their daughters since the 1960's. Mothers told daughters that they could be anything and embody anything they wanted; they could be angry, dominant, vulnerable, happy, assertive, and kind without being any less of a woman. Men haven't done this and because of that, men have not guided their own destiny about their gender into the new age of gender roles and dynamics. I don't believe male masculinity has less value than female femininity but if men want a comprehensive picture painted of their new masculine model in the 21st century, they have to paint it themselves, or they will continue to find themselves defending "toxic" aspects of manhood, which invariably hurts them even more (i.e. less doctor visits, higher rate of suicide). Masculinity has value, but men are abdicating their right to prove it.

I am sorry, but I think the main problem here is your depression, but I feel I cant help you there, Seek help from somebody more qualifed than anons on Jow Forums, change your enviroment and try to get a diffent perspective on your circumstances.

> all that geendr theorizing
It certainly seems interesting, but regrefully, I do not have time to read and think about it right now. I might come back and mull over it later.