Hi, robots. Jungian Mystic here. Some of you may remember me. I create these threads every few months...

Yo, I feel like a worthless piece of shit dealing with a lot right now and I'm lowkey into this kind of stuff, so I'll bite.

Can you please define the Anima and Deep Mysteries?

And right now I have a lot of mistrust for certain individuals around me, but I don't know if it's me being paranoid, anything to say about that?

Thanks OP even if this is a bait thread it's a fun one.

Is an egregore like a chaos god then?

>to assist robots in manifesting their Anima, making peace with the Shadow, and using traditional shamanic exercises to help robots in dealing with their problems.

Would you clarify how these processes work, and what benefits and drawbacks there are to them? How might I deduce which of these I would best benefit from exploring?

How do you get rid of the demon once it starts manifesting? Lately I've felt on and off possessed by a version of myself that isn't truly me.

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well seeing as i just smoked a big fat crackrock while you were typing let's say i wanna do this awake
and don't worry about me accidentally creating a tulpa, i couldn't even do it on purpose

Always pay attention to synchronicity; it's how the unconscious draws your attention to data it's recognized through its extremely powerful pattern-recognition machinery has sifted from a lot of seemingly unrelated information which has deeper connections. Do you see how many 4s you've manifested in your post number? In tarot, the number four represents stability: animals generally have four limbs, cars have four wheels, furniture has four legs, and so on, because it's very stable. You may wish to spend some time considering what role stability plays in your current problem set, as it seems to be quite important to you.

The Anima is the female-in-the-male, the part of the makeup of every human being which represents the female side of the psyche, characterized by emotion, spirit, compassion, nurturing, and the intuitive. Being able to manifest the Anima is the first step in achieving integration with your unconscious selves.

The Deep Mysteries... are not something you need to understand right now. Unless you already know what they are, it's best not to discuss them.

And no, this isn't bait. I have more than 25 years of experience as a mystic, training myself in psychology, shamanism, and specific Jungian active imagination techniques.

What's it like having paranoid schitzophrenia op?

An egregore is a sort of collective tulpa. A tulpa is an archetypal manifestation which obtains its own sense of personal identity, a sort of competing identity to your ego-self. It's a very advanced shamanic technqiue, one which requires a great deal of discipline and experience to do safely. Egregores are tulpas which reach beyond the personal manifestations of archetypes and draw from larger, group gestalt identities of archetypal manifestations. They have their roots in the collective unconscious rather than just your own personal mythology.

so you're basically a rebranded atheist? with a misunderstanding of what they're talking about

Describing what you want is far, far beyond the scope of what it's possible to discuss here. If you want detailed understanding, I recommend Jung's "Man and his Symbols" and "The Red Book."

Briefly, what I'm describing is the use of different paradigms and autosuggestion to physically change the brain, taking advantage of biofeedback and the plasticity of the brain to forge new connections and use the brain in different ways than are normally accessible through what we recognize as consciousness.

Eventually, a person is naturally prepared for the experience of ego-death, the recognition of the self as individual as illusory, the recognition of the many internal selves, and their integration into a more effective, more powerful committee capable of exploring the depths of the inner sea where the Deep Mysteries lie.

I've been a sucker for synchronicity for a while now, didn't know I pulled such a sweet get. Quads of truth say youre legit. But I'm scared sometimes i think too much into synchronicity and will turn myself schizo.

Stability is pretty much the high and low of it, family health and financial stability.

Can you tell me anything about this dream I had?
>black sky
>sun is taking up LIKE HALF THE FUCKING SKY LIKE ECLIPSING THE HORIZON
>rainbow super nuke sun is both the prettiest and scariest thing I have ever seen, seeing the unyielding magnitude of everything.
>so yeah pretty much fallout outside, instant sunburn etc.

I've only had it that one time
This happened the night after the diagnosis. Pretty much I'm scared I'll have to bury one or possibly more family members sooner than I'd hoped.

Do you really understand what you're asking me for? The fact that you take this so flippantly tells me that you are probably not prepared for the sort of experience you're likely to have if I teach you the advanced shamanic technique you're requesting. Ultimately it's your choice, but you need to understand the risks.

What I'm prepared to teach you are methods shamans, prophets, oracles, and medicine men have crafted over millennia for altering their state of consciousness. This causes actual, measurable changes in the way the brain functions. In other words, it can be permanent -- and is, if done properly.

Have you taken the heroic dose? I'd be much more sanguine about teaching you how to do this if I knew you'd met the machine elves and were prepared for the level of dissolution between conscious and unconscious invoking an archetypal entity -- a demon -- requires.

How do I into lucid dreaming? Are there any esoteric/shamanic practices you'd recommend that substantially alter the contents of dreams.

I've been trying to lucid dream for a while and though my dream recall has gotten a little better I haven't had any luck. Is it just a matter of doing reality checks dilligently and recording everything or are there some deeper tips? Is there any way of "forcing" certain images, settings or ideas to manifest in my dreams

It seems like altering the contents of dreams is one of the main practical goals of personal ritual/chaos magick, with a kinda feedback loop where the different images seen in dream cause a change in the terms and tools which the waking consciousness has access to, which in turn changes the way the individual acts or percieves the waking world, giving them new content to dream about.

Anyway, good thread user. For once I'm actually glad I checked r9k.

I think you'd benefit from reading Freud's "Interpretation of Dreams." One of the things he noted is that when he got people to repeatedly write down their dreams, the more time past after waking, the more details of the dream changed without people being consciously aware that they'd changed.

What makes dreams useful to interpret is not the imagery itself, then, which is largely random and meaningless, but rather the way they're described. In psychoanalysis, the analyst is writing down the specific words and phrases you've used to describe things, looking not so much at the meanings but at the way the thoughts were expressed.

The imagery of your dream, then, can only be interpreted by *you*. If we were in the same room, I could use gestalt analysis to pick up your eye movements, body language, and word choices to play "hotter or colder" and work out what you're really saying below the surface, but I can't through text.

And I wouldn't worry about "turning schizo." You may be interested to know that Julian Jaynes' theory of consciousness holds that our modern sense of personal identity is only about 4000 years old, and that before this time "the gods" spoke to us in voices or manifested in visions regularly to assist us in our lives. What we call schizophrenia is actually the way our entire species once functioned, in direct contact with the collective unconscious.

i just started getting into more hippie shit, ive been getting into my chakras and crystals and shit. tell me how to cleanse whatever yall say i need to cleanse??

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>It's important to understand what mysticism is
>it has nothing to do with the supernatural
>It is a form of applied psychology
So, it's pretty much science without any peer review or actual basis in reality?
Imma pass

how can into misticism

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Interested in this tulpa concept. Early last year I went to a dominatrix, left like 15 minutes in and periodically since then I've been jerking it to the "dominatrix voice" in my mind. The catch is that the dominatrix voice basically just tells me all the things i hate about myself while I'm tugging my meat as well as saying that I'm weak and i deserve to serve .etc.
It's weird because, though i had a really excited, animated feeling on the way there and while I was waiting, (best way I can describe it is I felt like the winds of providence were blowing, kinda like when you're really into a chick and you think theyll solve all your problems, except that deep down I probably knew getting my ballsack electroshocked was a dead end) the actual encounter wasn't really exciting or arousing in the slightest. Is this related to tulpa and what are some thought-techniques i can use to banish the succubus?

i summoned a succubus bois its realy not that good.

Dreaming lucidly is do easy that generally speaking, the desire to have lucid dreams is enough suggestion to cause them. The problem is that you could be having lucid dreams all night long, but unless you can remember having them, it's like they're not happening at all.

Keeping a dream journal is absolutely mandatory. What you're doing is reprogramming the brain through repetition, taking advantage of the brain's plasticity and the phenomenon of biofeedback in which connections in the brain always run in both directions. You have to train yourself to scribble down your dreams, in as much detail as possible, the INSTANT you wake. It has to become so ingrained that it becomes second nature.

Normally the brain stores dreams in short term memory, and they vanish within 15 minutes of waking. You don't remember that you actually briefly remembered them. By writing down the dreams and doing it often enough to condition the unconscious to do so without needing to think about it, you're reprogramming the brain to store dreams in a different way, putting them in long-term memory.

So it's not the dream journal itself which is important, but the repetition. That's why it's both simple and time-consuming.

yes i'm asking you to tell me how to hack the brain and gain more immediate access to the powers of the unconscious mind
i also understand that it's dangerous so i'm sorry for being flippant that's just how i talk

A map is not the thing it maps. Ceci n'est pas une pipe. This means that all paradigms are ultimately false, and you eventually have to leave the map and walk the actual territory. But that doesn't mean maps are useless.

The sort of "New Age granola-crunching hippie shit" you're talking about can be useful as a map, for developing a paradigm you can use for understanding the deeper concepts beneath them. You aren't yet at the point where you're familiar enough with the map that you can throw it away. Keep reading. Keep trying to understand. Just remember that what you're reading is false, and that it's only a pointing finger.

To quote Zen master D.T. Suzuki, "To point at the moon a finger is needed, but woe to those who take the finger for the moon."

Thanks user, I've been lazy with the dream journal lately but I'll get back on it

What about ritual practices to force certain characters or whatever into my dreams, know anything about that? Any interesting ones to try?

Is there anything that can make me more dedicated to things?

It's important to understand both what mysticism is, and what it isn't. In the Aristotlian model there are three ways of obtaining knowledge: empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, of pure rationalism is philosophy, and of pure revelation is mysticism. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, which is why they must be used together to achieve a holistic understanding.

Revelation is the immediate experience of internal processes without the use of sense perception of logical deduction and induction. It is as real as it's possible to get, since it very nature is direct, unfiltered access. Hunches, guesses, feelings, and intuition are all forms of revelation.

ok but how do into it

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Would you be able to give me a more-or-less comprehensive list of the consciousness, psychoanalytic, and quasi-mysticism required reading?

I'm a forensic psych major but have always been more interested in the Freud and Jung side of things than statistics and all that.
>inb4 (((useless))) degree

Also is it possible to trip balls by sheer willpower? I've enjoyed the fuck outta the trips I've had but it's impractical for any kind of scheduled week. I just want to look at reality through a different lens every now and again, and seeing everything glow with rainbows would be nice too. I've also gotten the whole "predictive" mental thing going on where a trip friend & I can finish each other's sentences word for word. Never had actual telepathy happen though.

Back when I was doing it regularly I felt like I could commune with the Great Old Ones and and "conscious energies" or whatever you want to call it but honestly I'd like to feel that again without buying drugs.

Alright Man I can't keep beating around the bush with myself, I've got plenty of real problems present but do you think you could tell me how to open up that portal to the crazyverse? Like all the way.

stop doing nothing

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No, what you're describing isn't a tulpa. You HAVE manifested the Anima (or rather, a specific element of the Anima). The cold, angry, malevolent spirit you describe is how the Anima manifests for people whose mothers were distant or hostile. We pattern our sexuality on our mothers, an idealized, archetypal image of our mothers, anyway. This is why the Anima tends to manifest that way.

It's important to remember that this voice you're experiencing is *you*. It's your own female nature, warped by your experience of your mother. Fortunately, there are other sides to the Anima. She can also be kind, gentle, nurturing, and compassionate. Usually she's an admixture of her various selves. For me, she is often flirty and kind, but she can turn bitingly sarcastic when I'm being blind or stupid. And as I grew in spiritual strength, my Anima "levelled up" to darker, less outwardly pleasant forms to keep pace with my development and challenge me; where once she manifested in my dreams as Christina Applegate, today she takes the form of Babalon, the Dark Mother, and looks like Marlene Dietrich.

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found Jow Forums shitposters

>jungian mystic
cringe

>We pattern our sexuality on our mothers
trashman.tiff

Thank you for the book suggestions. Would it be suitable to read "Man and his Symbols" first, then "The Red Book" afterwards? Assuming I do so, do you believe I would be able to apply many of the efforts you've mentioned in your OP on my own?

In one of your posts, you stated:

>"Being able to manifest the Anima is the first step in achieving integration with your unconscious selves."

How might this be performed, and why may I or may I not want to do so? Also, am I correct in assuming that lack of want and muted/null emotional response are not effectively equal to ego death? Reading your post seems to suggest it is related to identity, but I would like a clarification on this concept.

I have further questions if you are willing to answer them as well, but I will save them for another response.

But my mum's the opposite of cold and distant user. I think it's pretty reductive to say that all instances of corrupted anima or anima posession or whatever are related to mother complexes

i got on some pretty cooked porn froms pretty young age that eventually exclusively was just chicks beating the shit out of each other, any advice on moving out of the shadow of that experience? (not referring to the jungian concept of shadow btw)

I already quit porn like 3 months before i went to the dominatrix

Alright, I'm going to teach you a very basic Jungian active imagination exercise for reaching into the darkness behind the wall of the unconscious and manifesting an archetype (ie/ summoning a demon). Bear in mind that which one you manage to fish out will be determined by both autosuggestion and what's already going on down there, below the level of your awareness. The entity you hook might be helpful and friendly or angry and hostile or anything in between.

Get a hat, preferably one you can affort to throw away if you need to. Say out loud (this is important -- you're priming the unconscious), "When I put on this hat, I am no longer me. When I remove the hat, I am me again."

Then put the hat on and start babbling. Make nonsense baby noises. It's important not to think about it. Just make whatever sound pops into your head without thinking. Continue this for long enough, and you'll begin to notice the noises forming words. Then, as you continue, the words will begin to join into coherent sentences. Eventually, you should get a voice coming out of your mouth which is not your conscious identity. How long this process takes will depend on your level of suggestibility, but once you've done it once it becomes easier each time.

Once you have a voice speaking to you, you can now remove the hat and ask questions. Put the hat back on and the voice will answer you -- not necessarily honestly, and not necessarily in your best interest. The reason for the hat is so you can make it stop at any time just by removing the hat. And if you're truly freaked out, you can just burn or discard the hat.

This is a good first step for making contact.

Do you have a dream/spirit guide? The next time you become lucid, ask for a guide. Your unconscious will manifest someone to assist you. For me, this was the Anima, initially in the form of Christina Applegate. She hadn't materialized immediately, but rather I noticed that Christina Applegate had begun haunting my dreams on an oddly regular basis. I eventually confronted her and, with a laugh, she confirmed my suspicion that she's the one who had been delegated from the committee of my selves to assist me.

What would happen is after every dream, if there was something I hadn't understood, I would find myself in a large, empty, old-fashioned movie theatre with Christina Applegate in the seat beside me. We would share a big bucket of popcorn and the velvet curtains would pull back to replay my dream up on the screen. Christina and I would discuss the dream, its symbols, and what I was meant to learn from them.

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Dedicate yourself to describing this in more detail for me. I'm not kidding. Generally, we ask questions because we already know the answers and are looking for permission to acknowledge what we already understand. For this reason, the answer is usually inherent in the question itself. If you can make the question clearer in your mind, it should contain the answer.

What's this technique called? I wanna read some patient records from the man himself

Having hung out around people who practice various forms of magick, I am 99% sure this is completely true and not an user joking... Those guys would always do wierd shit. One had a jive-talking crow as his spiritual guide, for another it was Elvis.

Please help. I can't feel happiness most of the time and I have anxiety over everything, even very small things. My mind is filled with chaos and I can't control my powers very well ethier. This makes it hard to tell what entity is taking to me.

I'm trying to deal with my shadow, but still need work. I'm having a very hard time growing up and sex is a very uncomfortable for me. Please use your knowledge and intuition to help, especially with the lack of happiness part.

Thank you very much.

>tfw mysticisming

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"I look inside myself and see." -- Tao Te Ching

Which paradigm you choose is very personal to each individual, as it has to be capable of inducing autosuggestion on a very visceral level. For this reason, it's usually best to start by exploring whatever religious conditioning you first received as a child, which probably has the deepest roots.

But since you and I both share an interest in psychology, I can give you a list of texts which have been useful and important to me, personally:

- The Red Book, Man and his Symbols, by Carl Jung
- Interpretation of Dreams, by Sigmund Freud
- Character Analysis, by Wilhelm Reich
- Rational Emotive Therapy, by Albert Ellis
- Illusions, by Richard Bach
- The Fourth Way, by P.D. Ouspensky
- The Teachings of Don Juan, by Carlos Castenada
- Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, by Julian Jaynes
- The Emperor's New Mind, by Sir Roger Penrose
- Godel, Escher, Bach, by Douglas Hofstadter

And yes, you can achieve all the same states without drugs as with them. Psychoactive drugs work by mimicking or duplicating chemicals the brain produces. Through meditation, biofeedback, and discipline, it's possible to achieve all the same effects. All those serenely meditating monks are actually stoned out of their gourds on their own brain chemistry, which is why they can burn themselves to death in quiet contemplation. Drugs are shamanic tools because they're fast. When you're responsible for the spiritual wellbeing of an entire community, you don't always have time to meditate, fast, and sweatlodge for three days every time you need to talk to Grandfather Toad.

That said, being able to get their the natural way produces the discipline to handle that level of altered consciousness. If you want to see what it looks like when someone looking for laughs experiences unexpected ego-death for the first time, do a YouTube search for "salvia freakouts."

>sex is a very uncomfortable for me
I meant: sex is a very uncomfortable subject for me

>tfw the outside is the inside is isn't

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What do you do when your shadow aspect constantly asserts itself?

The Red Book is Jung's deepest and most interesting book. If you were going to read only one, that's the one I'd recommend. But yes, if you plan to read both, I would start with Man and his Symbols, just so that you get a feel for the material and the terminology Jung is using.

"Manifesting the Anima" means taking the personality fragment which represents your own female self (or rather, selves), and shaping her into a more personal form with which you can interact on a person-to-person level. This is important, because she is the part of you which is responsible for integrating your selves, as she incorporates the intuitive and emotional side of you.

Most people avoid this kind of recognition of their many selves because it is existentially terrifying to recognize that your ego-self is an illusion, or more accurately a delusion used to simplify your interactions with the physical world. Those who successfully recognize this reality and integrated their selves are said to have Awakened. Sleepers fear and hate wakers instinctively, and the rulers of the world -- the Goetic entities which have always ruled, and which wear hollow men like skin suits -- actively seek the Awake, and will imprison, drug, or kill them if they can find them. It's why I'm circumspect about how much of the Deep Mysteries I'll reveal in an open forum like this.

Many thanks OP. Wish I could stay and talk more but I'm off to bed.

Don't worry, I've been on the edges of ego death before and I felt more prepared than I'd originally anticipated. Not sure if it went all the way through but that's another reason I'm itching to "open the door" again.

Hope to hear from you again OP, this thread was cool. Fuck the haters

>and go back to your fap threads mirrored image shitpasta
>you'll never behold the infinite

how can i keep my body and my brain focus on one thing for several hours?

>>you'll never behold the infinite
do not be so quick to assume you know things about people user.
i too have seen things, things that no mortal tongue can translate. i choose not to speak of it as i feel i can only insult it by attempting and failing to translate it.

be mindful of hubris.

pleasant voyages.

You're right of course; this is a very confined medium and where I'd normally be able to read your body language and eye movements, I have to make educated guesses here based on experience and what you've given me to go on. In general, the Anima tends to manifest dependent on the sexual patterning we receive from our mothers.

It's interesting that you should mention the Shadow, though, and then immediately deny it. These things don't happen by accident. There are other identities inside you trying to communicate with me, and they seem to be trying to tell me that your sexual experiences have more to do with your Shadow than they do with your Anima.

The Shadow is the negative image cast by the conscious identity, and so is generally a more true reflection of ourselves. Genuinely honest people don't have to think of themselves as honest, for example; they just are. It's those who are trying to deny their own dishonesty who think of themselves as being honest.

In your case, your sexualized interest in the female as aggressive and punishing seems to be a sublimation, something about yourself which you deny, even and especially to your ego-self.

It's called "active imagination." Jung used to practice similar exercises. For example, he would manifest his Shadow as a demon, and he'd go out walking with this demon in the woods, where they would discuss his psychological model.

He developed these exercises by examination of comparative mystic, religious, and shamanic traditions, working out which parts were effective and which were just window-dressing for inducing suggestion.

You're correct, I'm not joking.

Integrating the Shadow is the biggest challenge you may ever face, at least up to that point in your life. To do so you're going to need to be capable of manifesting the Anima strongly and clearly, as she is the part of you which has authority over this kind of integration.

I know from personal experience that this can be difficult with the Shadow roaring and gibbering through your nightmares and making your life miserable. All I can tell you is that everyone must do it to Awaken, and that the relief when you finally do it makes all the pain and struggle worth it.

Be strong, be courageous. You have to be able to let go, to turn and face the monster not for the purpose of slaying it, but of recognizing and embracing it, even as it rips and tears.

Today, when some angry and hostile part of me has a bone to pick, it meets me in a pub in my dreams, where we sit down at a table with beer, pipes, and an order of nachos, and we discuss the issue. When the Shadow recognizes that you're showing goodwill and are willing to listen to its gripes, and to make compromises in your composition of self to give certain elements a larger voice, it can be very reasonable. When it is an especially difficult issue, the Anima will usually show up and join us, acting as mediator.

As above, so below.

It doesn't happen to me any more, because the Shadow recognizes that, while not completely integrated with me yet, I am always willing to show good faith by discussing our disagreements and compromising in order to create a working relationship. For me, integration of the Shadow is more of a careful, ordered process rather than some big "a-ha" moment of breakthrough.

>Today, when some angry and hostile part of me has a bone to pick, it meets me in a pub in my dreams, where we sit down at a table with beer, pipes, and an order of nachos, and we discuss the issue. When the Shadow recognizes that you're showing goodwill and are willing to listen to its gripes, and to make compromises in your composition of self to give certain elements a larger voice, it can be very reasonable. When it is an especially difficult issue, the Anima will usually show up and join us, acting as mediator.
Not him but that sounds a bit mental m8.

Have you ever practiced stillness? Stillness is a kind of palate-cleansing exercise used before engaging in meditation. It's simple... and very, very, very hard.

Go into a room. Close the door and curtains. Remove anything which could provide stimulation: watch, phone, clocks, books, and so on. Then just sit and allow yourself to be bored. That's it. Just sit and be bored. As long as you can stand it.

In the beginning you'll struggle to do two or three minutes. Over time, if you keep repeating the exercise, you'll lose your fear of boredom and can start going longer and longer. I can do seven or eight hours. Zen masters can practice stillness indefinitely; days, if necessary.

I'll look into both books. I've made a copy of your texts list you made in a previous post as well. I do have one more subject I'd like to touch on before I go:

I was, for the majority of my youth, greatly enveloped by nightmarish schizophrenia. This was notably prevalent in my youth, and I had no relief from it whatsoever. It slowly but surely subsided as I aged. However, I've found the word and concept of "disconnected" to ring throughout my life from this time on. Life seems distant, boring, and disingenuous. If it is like "direct contact with the collective unconscious" as you've suggested, then it is akin to direct disconnection with myself in this state. I am unsure what to make of this issue. If you have any thoughts or advice, I would be interested and grateful in hearing of it. I fear no evil.

I read an interesting book many years ago by a psychiatrist who'd spent 40 years working with schizophrenics, and he said that those who had received no treatment at all were the most highly functional. Their voices tended to be positive, helpful, and friendly, if occasionally mischievous. It wasn't until people were told not to listen to their voices and given drugs or shock treatment to dispel them that the voices turned hostile and angry.

Schizophrenics have traditionally been the shamans, prophets, saints, oracles, seers, and mystics. They stand with one world in the realm of pure archetype and the other in the realm of the physical, keeping the tribe spiritually healthy.

The kind of disconnectedness you feel is the Doppelganger, the alienated self. When you look in the mirror and feel that snap of connection with the eyes of the person looking back, that guy on the other side is the Doppelganger. Freud and Jung emerged from the Alienists, whose entire field was based on the premise that neurosis and psychosis were caused by this alienation.

This is why integration of the selves is so very important. When you are able to accept your many selves, even and especially the dark, angry, hurt ones, your disconnectedness will disappear. Or, more accurately, it will *complete*, as you become both people on both sides of the mirror.

Hello OP I would like to ask for your help in me understanding myself.
I've spent my life raised in a religious cult (Jehovah's Witness's) and have only recently come to the realization that I was in fact in a cult.
I was raised by an abusive single mother who developed schizophrenia in my teenage years and would force me to listen to her schizophrenic rants and hold them as truths. Along with other abuse I have come to realize mt childhood was not normal at all and I have always felt there was something wrong with me but I could not quite put my finger on it.

The point I'm trying to get at is I've never felt like I had any sort of real personality or person to me. I was not allowed to engage in deep friendships with outside people or do any normal wordly thing without reprecussions and my mother only cared about me going to school.

How do I develop myself in a way to get rid of these feelings of confusion, lost, and abandonment and move on in my lot in life?

I also have bad habits of mal-adaptive day dreaming, chronic masturbation, binge eating, and smoking weed as coping mechanisms to numb the pain of everyday living? These habits are intrusive to my everyday living.

Will I be able to learn about 'the Doppelganger' and integration of the selves in the two Jung books you suggested to me? Furthermore, do you have any guidance regarding a starting action for achieving this?

This is my last post. Thank you.

We are not one person. We are Legion; we contain multitudes. In your case, some of those people are hurt, and dysfunctional, and angry. They have good reason to be. The thing is, they are expressing all their rage at your other selves and you have become an army turned against itself in civil war. An ever-greater portion of your day to day cognition is taken up fighting against yourself in a war neither side can win without destroying itself too.

You need to find your Anima. This may be very painful for you, as she is likely hurt and scared and hiding. She is your emotional self, the part of you which feels mostly deeply. You will have to coax her out of hiding with kindness and patience. That means self-love. Finding things in yourself which you can like, and blowing those embers into small flames.

what have you been formally diagnosed with? unironically you seem autistic or delusional or both

alreet lads real mystic man here, ignore the OP cunt give me your questions and I'll sort it right out for you

Yes, and also in the work of Freud, Adler, Horney, Fromm, and others of Freud's students, though of course none of them quite have the same perspective they Jung did, possibly because many modern psychiatrists consider Jung to have been a self-treating schizophrenic.

There's a story Jung's wife tells about Jung becoming more and more paranoid, eventually sleeping with a gun under his pillow, until one day she woke in the middle of the night to find Jung missing and feared the worst. She found him naked, outside, playing in the mud with stones and bits of wood. She thought he had lost his marbles completely, but he had just invented art therapy.

hiya mate, question:
sometimes when im trying to get some sleep i hear somebody whisper my name
what in the bloody fuck is that about mate
thanks

How do I break out of the state of the puer aeternus? I go to a good college but find myself unsure of what I'd like to do with my life. I'm drawn to romanticism and danger (mountaineering, firefighting), and am developing some sort of dandyism in the clothing I wear. I feel powerless to stop the aestheticization of my life and am drawn to mystical nationalism. But all my life and romantic relationships seem to be characterized by my fleetingness and inability to dedicate to any one thing, person, place, or belief.

As a child I loved writing and wrote frequently, and emerged from shyness into an extremely sociable and productive writer as a teenager. After a relationship with my then best friend was broken off because she felt I was too clingy, the rest of my time in high school was ruined. I stopped writing, became taciturn and withdrawn, and became indecisive in romantic relationships even five years after the occurrence.

How do I reclaim this solar energy I used to possess? How do I organize my mind so that I'm not bound to be a Faust, or even worse, a superfluous man?

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not a fucking clue, happens to me sometimes i rationalize it as being lonely but I've googled an answer for you lad didn't get any science shit but a few people think it correlates to being stressed and highly creative

good fuckin catch mate
maybe it's something to do with all the smoking i do
i just get nervous a lot mate, cause of... well cause of them, you understand

sometimes whenever im trying to get some sleep, i have some sort of dream or some shit, and then someone or something in my dream talks or makes a loud ass noise and wakes me up, and i'm left shooketh because i don't remember shit about said dream, apart from the noise/voice. wtf is happening????????

ah that's no big deal mate, get some chamomile tea down your neck before and she'll be right

yea mate I get it as for being nervous cold showers have some science backing them being great for stress
dreams is something I actually know a fair bit about, two possibilities your brain (wrongly) interprets threat IRL like it thinks someones about to axe murder you or it realizes that the dreams about to turn bad so it wakes you up, second one is more likely if you've had recurring nightmares

I am completely and utterly afraid of my emotions though

Should I just muster up the courage?

Are you sure it's solar energy you need? It sounds to me like you need a bit of moon. There was a time I was warned both by others and my own selves that I was in danger of sliding into my own navel, turning too far inward and neglecting myself as a physical entity. As a result, I considered seeking Goetic energy, of kindling some Animus male strength.

In response, my Anima became darker and less... pleasant. She showed me her more aggressive and destructive side: the Dakinis, Hecate, the Furies.

I don't know your mind, but remember that the Anima operates on entirely different levels and scales than the male. Where the male is all about rigid strength and Will, the Anima has the soft, patient, irresistable strength of water which flows around obstructions and wears mountain ranges to sand.

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fuck off
and fuck you if you fall for this bait

It's not about courage and battle. Quite the opposite. It's about laying down your weapons and showing some kindness to yourself. Remember that you're hurt. You contain elemental selves which are lashing out in blind anger, and they *will* hurt you. You need to develop the patience to show that you will not strike back, showing goodwill against their rage until they understand that you're not going to hurt them.

Only then will your Anima creep out of her corner and begin to heal you. Think of your inner selves as beaten and abused animals which have been made mean, and bite every hand which reaches for them. You will be bitten many times before they realize you're not going to strike them.

Slowly, over time, you will begin to soothe those angry selves.

Thank you. He tells me that I don't want to happy and I want to be alone. That's kind of true because I want to be safe. He thinks I should give up. That pub thing sound very cool.

it's another pro-schizophrenia thread

Well, maybe he has a point. Could it hurt to give the Shadow some space to stretch its legs? It doesn't have to be all one way or the other. If your Shadow wants solitude and to be allowed to be grumpy for a while... try it. Show that you're not afraid to push your limits.

Right now the Shadow is demanding and hostile because it hasn't been heard. Show you are actually listening and have an interest in finding common ground and it will be less pushy about being the loudest voice at the table.

I too am warned by others about living too much within myself rather than taking action. Was the neglect of your physical entity a matter of physical or mental health? A mind-body disconnect?

My body is rigid and moves mechanically, to the point where other people have commented on it. I'm inflexible and don't have good balance or situational awareness.

Tell me more about the Dakinis and Hecate. I am familiar with the Furies through the Oresteia; were you hounded by some kind of murderous guilt?

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Ok so if my sexual desires are identified with the shadow archetype and with things of which I am consciously not aware, what are some potential explanations for the animated feeling i had waiting for the dominatrix?

I've always been a little weird like that (used to get girls to slap me in the face in primary school) but is there any chance my experiences are just kinda a stain left on me from dirty porn addiction since i was 12? This is where Jungian theory loses me, because it feels like a lot of the thoughts I have are just my mind playing tricks on me based on external stimuli?

I'm also interested in the idea of my sexual desires being linked with the shadow? Wouldn't that imply that there's some aspect of my sexual identity of which I am unaware and that just hasn't been given the right setting to make itself apparent. If so, do you have any ideas on how to get a more full understanding of my sexual identity? Are there any questions, even, that I should ask dream characters when I finally become lucid?

Not sure if you're still around but thanks for answering my questions so far, it is much appreciated. Do you work as a therapist or in any kind of clinical setting irl?

Sometimes I hear an entity tapping on my window but when I open the door there's nothing there. Any advice on how to invite this entity in or communicate with it?

also asking OP if he can be assed answering

mate, easy, just leave your door open

I'm trying to give science based answers not retarded hokus pokus as a literal schizophrenic my advice would be go to your GP and get evaluated or just leave out some cookies or something to lure him in

Ah, i remember your thread back from August or something like that. I've been meaning to ask you - does your first dream that you remember, holds any significance or it's only auto-suggestion? Is it possible to have a broken psyche in regard that i feel that another part of me is somewhere in unconsciousness?

What's the fundamental differences between solar and lunar states/domains?

Would you say that since we're living in the age of symbolic disintegration (with religion and such becoming irrelevant and forgetting its true meaning) that the 'solar' age of civilization is ending and we are now living the beginnings of its lunar inverse? If so, what do you think are the best ways to understand, accept, and reckon with lunar forces?

For me it's a balance issue. I endured a lot of trauma, physical, emotional, and sexual, and I reacted by viciously suppressing the Anima, learning to deliberately alienate myself from what I regarded as my wildly dysfunctional emotions and force myself to think and act in rigidly logical terms.

Of course, what I never realized is that much effort spent prodigiously on denial caused the very thing I hated to squirt out everywhere, affecting my behaviour constantly while being totally unaware of it.

It wasn't until I had become so alienated from myself that my self-destructive unconscious acts began to become life-threatening that I was forced to make the existential decision to look inside and deal with the ugliness I'd been shoving down there.

The relief of releasing that burden sometimes causes me to tip in the other direction, becoming passive and receptive to the point of self-endangerment.

The Dakinis are interesting figures. They're female demons which follow Kali around, vicious and cannibalistic, but which are also protective, especially of women and of what woman represents. Like the Furies, they stand in opposition and balance to unrestrained male energies.

ok dream interpretation time boys, open to any and all

>on a train to the city
>junkies on the train keep trying to steal my schoolbag, so I get off
>step out onto an open field and i feel confused until a wraith-like figure came up to me and said there was a band playing nearby that I had to see
>walk over there with him
>the crowd is going off, try and step through them to get a better view but a white light is emanating from the stage and pushing me back
>after listening to them rock out for a bit I wake up
I'm currently doing my last year of HS if that has any relevance

A lot of these questions are ones I'm not really qualified to answer. Or rather, I can answer them by projecting myself into your position and then questioning my own state, which is not the same thing as really understanding. The one you really need to be asking is you, or at least the parts of you which are expressing themselves through your sexuality.

Have you tried manifesting your idealized sex partner in a dream? Ask her to come to you (no pun intended) and ask *her*. She's you, the relevant part of you anyway.

And no, I don't work as a therapist, but I am a professional tarot reader.

I need a bit more background information. The reason why is, if you've been doing any type of shamanic work, you're going to start having odd and frightening experiences as a natural result.

The brain acts a bit like your computer in the sense that if you start making changes to critical parts of the operating system, you will start getting increasingly urgent pop-ups asking if you're really, really, REALLY sure you want to do this, and that making this change could permanently damage your computer. In the case of your brain, monkeying with the factory settings will cause encounters with entities like the Men in Black, the Moth Man, the Greys, and the black-eyed children. These are archetypal entities people have been encountering for millennia, and their function is to keep you from doing permanent damage to your brain.

I just spent 20 minutes reading though this thread, so first thank you for sharing your knowledge. Many of the dreams I have or at least remember are violent and disturbing or involve a situation that would make me very anxious in real life, like missing a deadline for something. I am usually very anxious in real life and I often realize that and understand that I have no reason to be most of the time, but I still can't stop it from happening.
Is there any way to train my subconscious and restructure to be more relaxed and be able to handle stress better?
I would prefer to use the subconscious method if possible, because I can already lucid dream very occasionally, and I don't think I would be able to let my mind be open or let go of rationality enough for the "active imagination" or hat exercise.

Depends. Do YOU think it holds any special significance? The fact that you're asking me this says that you clearly do. What you're looking for is permission to acknowledge what you already know.

And there are ALWAYS others parts of you. I've been a mystic for more than 25 years, and in all those years of exploring the inner sea, I have never found the bottom. There are levels where you can't dive until you have experienced ego-death, and below that areas where language itself fails and there is no way to describe the entities you encounter.

The ride never ends, friend. You will never be whole and complete in the sense you mean until you return to Kether and annihilate yourself in the Great Mother.

I dont know think that i'm made for these things. I'm too "grounded" for this intuitive stuff. Hell, even my dreams seems like a reality - no mystical or mythological stuff. Thing is that i'm attending therapy to fix myself (aka gain the confidence) but it seems to me that i've made little to no progress.