Why is staying a virgin until marriage impossible for women today?

It made way more sense as a societal standard when the average age of first marriage was 19, which it hasn't been since the mid 1960's. For some reason getting married in your early thirties and having 1.6 kids has become the new normal, so it sort of makes since that people aren't going to wait an extra decade to start boning.

Because if you weren't an incel you'd have trouble staying a virgin until marriage too.

>hurr roastie
I'm a KHV myself. But if you had attractive people throwing themselves at you from your preteens into adulthood and you aren't religious, there's no reason to abstain completely in their mind.

You aren't wrong with that you say but you aren't actually saying something. Yes, being chaste and waiting for marriage is an outdated concept and social norms do change but what about it? Is it a good change? If not, maybe society should reconsider.

Because it's boring you fucking autist

who says im an incel? you? wrong, i never asked a girl out or anything.

Because guys want to fuck them without commitment

OH NO NO NO NO
>he thinks you need to ask out a girl to be an incel
*wheeze* HA HA HA HA HA

>announcing that you're a normie by using a Vine meme
Off with you, roastie.

That's more of a problem with how kids are raised now. There's no discipline anymore, no consequences, and no real emphasis or importance placed on anything long term. It's all just fun and games and doing what's pleasurable at the moment.

>implying Jow Forums doesn't use it heavily

Women have never stayed virgins until marriage, you cuck fetishist. Even if they would, they would not save their virginity for YOU.

You mean the laugh threads a couple months ago? The ones filled with underage b& kiddos, normies, and roasties trying to fit in?

>there's no reason to abstain completely in their mind.

you still have to worry about false rape,blackmail, child support extortion,the new strains of STD's that are drug resistant,paternity fraud and abortion scams.

>staying a virgin until marriage
That's the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

you must be either a baby boomer or a high school coach

This. Most boys play vidya, most girls fuck around.

godless son of a pig

there is literally no evidence pair bonding is natural in humans and you only like the concept because it would be favorable in your pathetic circumstances :)

Hmm one of those sounds a lot more long term damaging to the person. So men play around and learn games and women devalue themselves and act like primitive animal? One of the genders should be rounded up in the street and shot in the head and it's not the one with the penis.

Well, some studies suggest that promiscuity damages your psyche (or that a damaged psyche leads to promiscuous behavior, cause and effect are unknown) and that especially women are more unlikely to have a stable long term relationship the more sexual partners they had previously.

nobody is going to make you have sex maybe you should be the one abstaining if you're really so paranoid

Yes they did. Its still common in some places too

>cuck fetishist
Cucks dont want pure virgins tho

roastie detected

Lost on your way to /reddit/

People didn't wait until marriage to have sex, you fucking retards. There was no dating. You met your wife for the first time at your wedding after which you had sex. Waiting for years for marriage while dating is unnatural.

peer reviewed citation* needed

Post those meme graphs that nobody has ever seen before, will you? Explain why permavirgins like you have unhappiest lives, if not having sex is supposed to be good.

If you knew how animals work you can tell by how their offspring are made. Human children are incredibly dependent on other for years. Humans need the parental unit in order to raise our young, therefore a pair bond is needed to keep these two adults together and caring for the child. Animals without pair bonding instincts are the kind that pop out a bunch of children at once that grow up fast, the opposite of us

>muh appeal to nature
Society isn't natural either roastie. Just because you want to go back to primitive caveman mating patterns because it's natural doesn't mean it's good.

Incel math does not need proofs.

Pretty sure that is what OP meant. No one wants to remain years in a sexless relationship before marriage

Just look at how deranged "sex positive" feminists are

What field is your PhD in? You sound like an expert on this subject.

>what are bonobos and chimps our closest living relatives

not paranoia when shit like #metoo is treading on social media and all over the world.

>there is literally no evidence pair bonding is natural in humans
There is literally mountains of evidence though.

There's a hormone that gets released during sex which is thought to be linked to the process of pair bonding. The concept of marriage and monogamy is likely something that was introduced to make post-hunter/gatherer societies work because with the increasing population after the agricultural revolution the tribe wasn't a valid social structure anymore, hence marriage and the creation of the concept of families.

Can't do that Yuki-kun.

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chemicals are released when you eat food too, it's your body's way of says "good job keeping doing what you're doing" does that mean once you get feel good chemicals from eating pizza you can only get the same enjoyment from pizza?

Do you think human sexuality works like them? The fact that most males are sexless betas disproves the fact, in those animals the females sleep with everyone to reward them for good behavior, something human women vehemently deny they do.

Different chemicals, they're not all the same

But how is it outdated?
You guys are contributing to super giga Uber bacterial STDs that will be immune to antibiotics.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x

psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-25107-001

I don't know how valid these studies are, though. I'm not an academic.

why would one magically be the OMG FOREVER LUV PAIR BOND chemical that damages your psyche forever except to fit your narrative? the same chemical is released during masturbation, wouldn't you be pair bonded to you hand by now?

y-yuno! im just talking to the guys. those arent girls, theyre just larping i swear!

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No, but look how many guys have a "favorite" pornstar. Look how many guys fall in love with literal whores.

Post those literal mountains of evidence.

You realize obesity is a big problem in the western world, yes? Yeah, the human brain rewards itself for eating food because for the longest time, getting food was the biggest bottleneck. So you ate everything you could because getting fat wasn't an option but starving was a real danger.
The way our brain is wired when it comes to food and how you can create reward circuits through positive feedback loops is a big problem for us in general.

metoo only affects ugly guys who still want to get laid

Notice how none of the guys being accused are hot. In fact, they were all making fun of how ugly Weinstein was.

Basically, if you are an ugly male, you dont deserve to have any sexual feelings

Threads like these always bring out the roasts and white knights. Reminds me how much this place is falling apart

>women with more experience are more likely to leave marriages

gee I wonder if maybe if unexperienced women are less likely to leave marriages because of their lack of perspective to tell when a situation is unfavorable to them or religious scaremongering.

>SEX GIVES U DEPRESHUN

have you ever seen a depressed chad?

>having sex can make you immobile and clog your arteries

no

this shit is more complex than you think, but it seems THAT specific reaction must be bound to certain conditions.
we'll need experimentation.
first we will need to cooperation of 4 little kids and their parents.
2 boys and 2 girls, then 1 pair will grow up to current standard world and the other pair will be raised differently.

But you have to admit that relationships of any kind a very important for humans and you can't just replace the humans involved. Think of single parents that have multiple partners when they have to care for their kid. The child will probably not be able to bond with any of the new fathers/mothers that enter their life, especially when they change every couple of years or months. Or children/teens that aren't able to create a lasting social bond with their peers because the parents move around the country so much, the kid will eventually think that getting to know its peers isn't worth it because they'll move next year anyways.
Why should sexual relationships, especially during your teen years, be any different? You'll desensitize yourself to any bonding process.

>have you ever seen a depressed chad?
sluts are depressed

And a few male celebs have killed themselves, despite being chaddier than 99% of Chads (in terms of pulling pussy)

So yes

for every women shaving sex with her boyfriend before marriage theres a 1000 virgin men "falling in love" with pornstars why don't you make a thread shaming them

By white knights, you mean those "muh pure virgin waifu" autists?

Because we dont want to marry them

no, those who think women should be sleeping around and applauded

Nobody wants to marry you so it works out.

Because it's women's fault that happens to men. Men only jerk it to pornstars cause women only sleep with the top 10% of men regularly

Because there is no reason to do so, same applies to men.

Making fun of delusional basement-dwelling virgins is whiteknighting?

>child will probably not be able to bond with any of the new fathers/mothers that enter their life

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I'm sorry user those two aren't comparable at all you're starting to sound like freud.

Aren't you able to follow the discussion? I can try to explain it better to you if you say which parts you have problems with. You or another user drew the food analogy, of course sex isn't like eating but eating also doesn't make you immobile or clogs your arteries, but if you ignore the intended use for food and abuse it to release these chemicals in your brain it might.
Well, yeah, you can spin it that way if you want but most people do get sad when they get older and there's no significant other in their life.
>have you ever seen a depressed chad?
Do you assume you can look inside the skull of everyone you meet? Depression doesn't have to be crippling to the point where you can't do anything anymore. So yeah, even chad can have a depression and stacy can, too. You fail to realize that depression doesn't necessarily has anything to do with wealth and success, or why do you think many celebs end up abusing legal and illegal drugs?

>implying the vast majority of guys want to marry sluts
Sluts are disgusting, and the only guys who like sluts are literally cucks

>so what you actually mean is what I believe?
>"no, here, I'll clarify my position."
>so what you actually mean is the opposite of what you said?
You pro-whores are so stupid sometimes.

Because marriage used to happen much earlier.

Because honestly the guys who need me to be a virgin are the worst. I held onto that ideal for 22 years and every guy I dated who was willing to wait for marriage was extremely controlling and insecure. I wasn't allowed to see my friends, go out when I wanted, or do much of anything that didn't involve him. The guys who want sex immediately are also awful people. The best guy I met we had sex three months in and have been married now for four years. There's a balance to life and anyone who needs any form of extremism is someone you don't want in your life.

you're delusion to think your father was in the top 10% when you're this much of a pathetic knob

>virtue signalling this hard
no one wants to marry sluts, except literal cucks

I was comparing how social bonds themselves form. Don't you know how comparisions work? You usually don't compare the entire thing with another thing, but the part of thing a) which is very similar to thing b). For example, you can compare apples and oranges because they both have the abstract trait of being 'fruit'. And since humans are capable of abstraction this usually works.
I'm not saiyng that parent/child relationships are the same as a relationship between two lovers, I'm just saying that a human can become indeed desensitized to the very process of forming a bond of any kind with another human being.

Pretty sure he is talking about the 10% who are Chads and get to fuck girls for free without any bullshit

>it's impossible for both, men and women
you have a full board to prove you wrong on this one, faggot

idk why you women can't get it through your skulls that going down on a girl who has had a dick in her is disgusting. probably because you like dicks. would you want to kiss a guy that ate out a girls asshole?

They were controlling because they were aware that women can't be trusted. You're so fickle you need to be kept on a leash and treated like animals. You'll probably just get bored of the guy you're with, cheat on him, and then blame it all on him while divorce raping him.

comparing physical repercussions from food to mental repercussions from sex was a bad analogy that served to obscure any kind of point you were attempting to make and you should feel bad. nobody here is going to argue that sex addiction is positive but it's pretty ridiculous to claim having multiple partners over the course of ones lifetime can impair ones cognitive functions.

I dunno, I always push for sex early on and this has been a good strategy so far.

sometimes comparisons don't help you get your point across and make you sound worse.

My dad was alpha now he's settled down, remember you get traits from both parent. I got shafted in the genetics department from my mom.

What does that have to do with anything that was being said?

was just giving a reason why i need a girl to be a virgin. its not about ''control'' or insecurity

Yes I expect you to read all that shit roastie.
Values can't be outdated because the human nature doesn't change but when we gave women the right to vote, everything started changing but most women aren't to make decisions independently from their feelings due to estrogen and the average also don't have mental strength and brain capacity of the average male. These values were based on millennia of experience and only recently people decided to throw that stuff out of the window and brand it as supposedly "outdated". The truth both men and women were more happy under these rules but especially women

>if she had sex with someone who is not me she is a slut

Keep it coming, guys. I need more oc for my men hating folder.

>if she had sex with someone who is not me she is a slut
Whatever.

I've already btfo your virgin obsession last thread you've made. You want only a virgin because you're a chicken who can't accept that love is unpredictable so you desperately try to control things tgat are out of your control and you're so afraid of betrayal that it turned you into a jealous possessive manipulator who use shame as his primary tool for manipulation.
In a relation, you'd be an abuser so it's actually a good thing no woman wants you. The best sign of a dangerous person is when they are jealous of men they have loved before.

I don't get it, where is the hate for men in this thread? It's pretty clear we're talking about how low-value a women with 100+ partners is

>physical
>mental
Those two things are the same. You know that, right? Mental states or mental health issues aren't metaphysical, user. They're as real as clogged arteries.
I like comparisons because it's easy then to see if someone can follow the simple abstraction or not. Most people can't.

hail the quints of truth
*unzips boipussy*

t. Soyboy trying to rationalize his pathetic cuckery in his current """relationship""" with a roastie

>All women are sluts!! They shouldn't have rights and I know everything better
This place is pathetic. You guys deserve to be lonely virgins.

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>you're such and such because I say so!
>i btfo you XD