Like all other races, whites have a history of fighting amongst themselves. Greeks thought that other whites were barbarians, the English refused to use bidets because they hated the French, Irish and Italians were discriminated against when they got to America, it was once a big deal to have a white catholic president in the US and, today, a lot of WNs barely even consider people like Mark Zuckerberg to be white.
If there were a white ethnostate, what would stop whites from creating a caste system with blonde haired, blue eyed whites (whitest of the white) on top and black haired, brown eyed whites (basically fucking Mexicans) on the bottom, creating tension between all groups of whites and resulting in more infighting?
Have whites really thought this white ethnostate thing all the way out?
Caste and hierarchies are natural within humanity. I don't see anything g wrong with it. t. Brown hair blue eyes white guy
Ayden Hernandez
Castes and hierarchies create tension amongst people and soon, you'll have an oppressed group of whites in your ethnostate, or at least a group that isn't treated as well as the others. Why do you think that this won't end up backfiring in the long run?
Colton Ross
im not white but i would imagine that a true white ethnostate would not allow people without blue eyes into it. hair color wouldnt matter as long as they had natural blue/grey eyes.
Adrian Fisher
Greeks also knew that democracy was impossible without the citizens sharing a common ancestry (i.e. ethnostate) kys OP
Charles Torres
I bet youre the same kid who posts about no more brother wars Fuck off retard everything that you say is flawed even before you say it
Adam Sanchez
But not all whites share common ancestry. The Greeks wouldn't say they shared common ancestry with the barbarians from whatever Britain was called back then because they felt they were above them.
What would stop whites from doing this same thing in a white ethnostate? It's obvious that white people worship features like blue eyes and blonde hair or red hair and green eyes. What makes you think these people wouldn't be on top while Meds become an oppressed class because they have darker features?
Logan Reed
Life is trail,error,and suffering. The gears of society are oiled with our blood,tears,griefs and a hopes for a better future.
Blake Williams
even so, at least theyre white.
Gabriel Morales
>coping with the fact that a white ethnostate isn't possible I don't know what the fuck a brother war is but even if I did, it wouldn't change the fact that a white ethnostate would fail as soon as the whites with darker features realized that they got the shit end of the stick.
How long do you think they'd be considered white in a white ethnostate? How long do you think it would take before whites started putting themselves into groups of inferior and superior whites? How long would it take for a blonde haired blue eyed Nord to realize that he's "whiter" than a black haired brown eyed Med?
Logan Torres
>trying to group brownies in the white ethnostate
before you get salty im not even white. but i know that you wouldnt belong there without blue eyes.
Owen Clark
So the creators of modern western civilization wouldn't be allowed?
Brody Sanchez
It doesn't necessarily have to involve a hierarchy. People fracture based on all sorts of differences. Eg, religion.
>WNs barely even consider people like Mark Zuckerberg to be white. Biggest red flag in the post. OP is obviously non-White as only non-Whites can't tell the difference between Whites and Jews.
Cameron Jones
But it most definitely will, considering how white people see a person white uniquely white features as more special than a white person with more common features like black hair.
And we can take it to religion too. Like I said in the OP, there was a time when having a catholic president was a big deal. Why don't you think whites would regress back into that mentality?
Ayden Walker
This is the same thing people said about the Irish 100 years ago. But Irish are on the same level as the rest of the whites now. The definition of "white" changes constantly. Even blacks have a more solid definition of what being black is.
William Smith
i wouldnt be allowed either
Nicholas Diaz
Depends on his genetics. If he is genetically within the group that the government of the ethnostate deems as "White" he will be allowed in and if not then we won't. youtube.com/watch?v=Gf3BXOxNHW0 This video explains it perfectly. The only real debate is in regards to where exactly we should define the genetic "borders" of Whiteness (eg are Persians or Greeks or Romanians or Sami accepted as "White" by the ethnostate government)
brownie trying to fudge his way into the pure ethnostate detected.
Lucas Butler
hes not white lmao. brown eyes black hair.
Camden Richardson
>This is the same thing people said about the Irish 100 years ago You fell for a dumb meme. Irish people signed the Declaration of Independence. Andrew Jackson was part Irish. Irish were classified as "White" under the law. Now they did chafe with Anglos but that was because of Catholic vs Protestant autism of the same stripe as caused the 30 Year's War.
Mason Watson
They were white but they were lesser whites. What makes you think there won't be lesser whites in a white ethnostate? What makes you think lesser whites won't all be pushed into certain parts of cities and not allowed to have certain jobs or get to certain places in life, which makes them turn to crime to make money, like what happened with Irish and Italian immigrants?
im pretty certain that this "brown eyed black haired people are the creators of western civilization!" is just another form of we wuz white
Colton Morgan
So say he's allowed in. You don't think he'd be discriminated against because he would be incapable of having children with blue or green eyes or red or blonde hair? A blonde haired blue eyed woman having sex with her would be "flushing her genes down the toilet", as WNs like to say.
Angel Cook
he WOULD NOT be allowed in.
Jonathan Myers
A barbarian is a non Greek "white" savage. Greeks would have wanted nothing to do with your ethnostate despite the fact that you're all white.
David Anderson
If you only allow whites with blue and green eyes, your ethnostate would be very small and probably wouldn't last very long because of such a pitiful population
Jason Smith
im not white. lol. so build your brown eyed glorious civilization.
Jaxon Thompson
im not sure about "green", but they would probably get in. i would protect them. i would setup camp on the outskirts of theirland and guard them from brownies desperate to get in. because im a brownie, and if i cant have a white gf none of you will.
Carter Cox
>If there were a white ethnostate, what would stop whites from creating a caste system with blonde haired, blue eyed whites (whitest of the white) on top and black haired, brown eyed whites (basically fucking Mexicans) on the bottom, creating tension between all groups of whites and resulting in more infighting?
Countries exist? I don't know anyone who thinks turning Europe into one giant White country is a good idea. Brown haired brown eyed people exist in Norway and they're not viewed as second class citizens, I don't know on what evidence you're basing this off of.
I think White people just don't want to be minorities.
>lesser whites Dumb meme. They were fully equal under the law. There was just religious tension.
Ryder Adams
Norway also isn't an ethnostate controlled by people who care about racial purity. I'm basing this off of human nature. It's in our nature to fight. This is why every single race on the planet had fighting in its own race. Japanese thought they were superior to all other Asians, Aztecs thought they were superior to all Indians, Igbo thought they were superior to Fulani, Greeks thought they were superior to all whites.
Joseph Wood
White Americans are more white Americans than English/Irish/Italian /whatever nowadays. If some groups aren't integrated enough with others there can be several white ethnostates.
Lincoln Jenkins
That's literally a meme cartoon lampooning rich WASP's attitude toward poor Irish. American's didn't unironically believe that the Irish were chimpanzees or w/e.
Camden Turner
Blacks and whites have been fully equal under the law for about 100 years now but you'd be stupid to say that blacks were always equal socially.
Liam Gonzalez
Aztecs went extinct, Japan is a shit tier meme civilization up until they got technology from trading with the West which they used to invade a weakened China and a backwards ass Korea.
Aiden Rivera
I don't know about Norway in particular but a lot of countries had it in their constitutions you could only be a citizen if you were White, they didn't put an asterisk in there that you had to be blonde haired and blue eyed. Again, countries exist. Nobody is saying Japan should let in millions of Chinese and Koreans, the people calling for White ethnostates aren't saying Germany should be flooded with Italians or Greeks.
Carter Jenkins
this thread isnt about blacks or brownies but you sneak em in anyway.
Bentley Martin
Your point being? Why do you people always make irrelevant points? All races fought with themselves, including whites. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again?
Christian Cook
if Japan let millions of Koreans and Chinese in... nobody would know the difference. An Asian empire would be a force.
Nathan Long
They're not recent Irish immigrants any more, now they're American with some traces of irishness left. A state made up of a collection of different peoples isn't an ethnostate so your question is dumb.
Samuel Bell
>Japanese thought they were superior to all other Asians Where's the lie tho? WN's just want a country by and for White people, just like Japan is a country by and for Japanese people where Japanese make up 90%+ of the population and the government doesn't tax Japanese people to give welfare to non-Japanese people and the politicians are actively encouraging Japanese birthrates instead of importing 3rd world poor people as slave labor "to pay muh pensions".
Sebastian Gutierrez
Being equal under the law doesn't mean you're actually equal.
Jaxson Price
>you people
who do think i am, exactly? so your premise is that a white ethnostate should not exist because theyll end up fighting, and you personally wont allow it.
Colton Ramirez
>if Japan let millions of Koreans and Chinese in... nobody would know the difference.
What the fuck are you smoking? Koreans are still butthurt as fuck about being invaded by Japan. While you may not be able to tell Asians apart that doesn't mean they don't have long histories of hating each other
Joseph Nelson
The racial differences aren't big enough to matter in that hypothetical case but the cultural differences are. It would create division and conflict.
Colton Myers
Non-euro whites are so stupid and hubristic. Who do you people think you are? Caesar? Napoleon? You're just regular people. So are Euros, but not as braindead confident as colonials.
Wyatt King
>I don't know about Norway in particular but a lot of countries had it in their constitutions you could only be a citizen if you were White Name them.
Adam Bennett
Just because they're American doesn't mean they don't look Irish or look Italian or look English or look German. American whites have obvious physical differences. What makes you think a white ethnostate wouldn't discriminate against American whites who have more Italian or Spanish features?
Thomas Young
still has nothing to do with a white ethnostate. you wont allow it because you say there will be infighting. the whole point of a white ethnostate is not to let non-whites like me and you tell them how to be.
Matthew Powell
im actually asian. and we dont care. sometimes someone will make a scene about it sure.
nah i dont think it would. East Asian empire could happen.
Joseph James
United States Naturalization Act of 1790
not written in the constitution but if you're gonna get autistic about my wording I don't care
Leo Brooks
The degree of integration would obviously be examined when creating the state. If they're too separate they should have another ethnostate.
Sebastian Allen
White and Japanese aren't the same. Japanese is one ethnicity, white is multiple ethnicities. All Japanese people have similar features, whereas white people do not. What will stop people in a white ethnostate from discriminating against white people who don't look like Hitler's dream Aryan?
Camden Evans
That's because blacks and Whites aren't equal, no matter what the law says. However, there is equality among Whites. Source: the suburbs/modern American Whites in general. Most American Whites are a hodgepodge(mutt) of different European ethnicities which has given birth (along with the presence of non-Whites) to the "White" ethnicity as understood in America today. Many Europeans (because they are genetically distinct and also had no contact with large non-White domestic populations) haven't yet developed racial consciousness and just want to preserve their own ethnicities, but Americans are much more concerned with the White race as a whole, rather than the component parts.
Jaxson Cruz
You're asking on a board full of mentally ill autists, suicidal NEETS, college dropouts, virgins, pedophiles, rapists, misogynists and future serial killers.
Adam Lee
That's possible in the long run but if millions of Chinese moved to Japan right now they wouldn't just integrate right away. They'd be separate for quite some time.
Camden Moore
Where do you live out of curiosity? I'd imagine Koreans living in America and Koreans living in Korea have different perspectives on it.
Ryan Peterson
they would end up getting and fucking within the month.
Samuel Fisher
So you don't think that, in a white ethnostate, whites with blue eyes and blonde hair would be seen as "whiter" than those with brown hair and brown eyes? You don't think that a ginger would be seen as more beautiful than a regular white guy with black hair?
Austin Long
my location: moms basement, in act 2 of my fantasy. Maryland.
Liam Ward
>white is multiple ethnicities Not in America. American Whites have ancestry from every European ethnicity and this (Eruopean-only) melting pot has resulted in the development of a new ethnicity distinct from Polish or Danish or Flemish etc: the Amerikaner/American White.
Sebastian Lee
brown eyes would not be allowed. ginger guy with blue eyes or guy with black hair and blue eyes would be different flavors under the white rainbow.
Ian Walker
>a normal act of legislation >"Constitution" You're a brainlet. This isn't even autistic wording. Constitutional clauses are absolutely no the same as regular acts by the elected body. Constitutions govern the laws themselves. Anyways, you gave one example that was not in the Constitution. Even if I give you that, you specifically said "lots of countries". Surely you can give me numerous examples off the top of your head given that you said that there were lots of them. So let's have them, you brainlet.
But white Americans still have the appearance of being from different ethnicities. What makes you think that a white American with blonde hair wouldn't be worshipped while a white American with brown hair would be treated like another commoner? Especially since blonde hair is rarer.
Logan Wood
>whites with blue eyes and blonde hair would be seen as "whiter" than those with brown hair and brown eyes Maybe idk. A lot of women seem to think that Italian/Spanish men with dark hair are attractive. White is a very diverse group. Perhaps discrimination will arise based on hair color or whatever. There certainly wasn't discrimination based on hair color when Hitler was in charge so I'm inclined to doubt that such discrimination would arise. >a ginger would be seen as more beautiful than a regular white guy with black hair >ginger males >attractive lel
Ayden Price
if Hitler just stopped invading nations after he took most of Europe, a white ethnostate would be reality.
Jose Stewart
Why do you think they wouldn't be seen as lesser flavors? Do you think they'd be treated the same as a blonde haired blue eyed extra white person?
Asher Lewis
Hitler had black hair, of course he wouldn't discriminate against people who looked like him. But if you know what his dream guy looked like, you know that the discrimination would begin eventually.
Luis Gray
there will always be a hierarchy. do you consider your neighbors to be "lesser" because they have ginger hair and you have blonde hair?
John Sanchez
>What makes you think that a white American with blonde hair wouldn't be worshipped while a white American with brown hair would be treated like another commoner? Idk maybe blondie would be worshiped. Doubtful tho, as not even the Third Reich, with all it's racial/eugenics laws discriminated based off hair/eye color.
Blake Wilson
its the eyes. hair color is almost a non factor IMO. but im not white.
Colton Stewart
I'm not a white nationalist so of course not. But don't you think the hierarchy would result in oppression and anger amongst the people who are on the bottom?
Leo Sullivan
Fuck the Third Reich. (Racist) American whites today obviously think that blonde hair and blue eyes are superior. This would most likely translate over into an ethnostate.
Connor Gutierrez
>discrimination would begin eventually Seems like slippery slope fallacy. How does idealizing blonde-hair blue-eyed people lead to discrimination? Keep in mind that blonde-haired blue-eyed women are considered the ideal for women/beauty in today's culture. Source: just ask feminist's about society's unrealistic expectations of female beauty.
Lucas Edwards
Problem is nobody can agree on what constitutes as white or not. Some people want genetic testing, others want the one drop rule and there are some that just want "as long as they look white". It'd be a fucking mess all things considered. If you really want a safe, happy, prosperous society for god's sake stop looking at race as determining factor because it isn't. Start promoting intergration and the assimilation of people into your country. Start promoting the idea of "Country and it's ideals first" No matter what race, religion, sexuality etc we are we are all (insert country here).
Promote national indentities, no racial ones and this is coming from a liberal.
>blonde haired, blue eyed whites >still falling to jewish propaganda from the 40's.
dude, go look for a eugenic chart pointing out the different german people in the reich, they explicitly point out about the bavarian, alpine, mediterranean and so forth as permanet integrant of the German Reich, in a race level. Besides that, there's the incontestable fact about all those great inventors, engineers and naturalist that weren't the fallacious stereotype of a blonde, blue eye man. In fact, most of the greatest contributors of human advancement weren't included in that phenotype.
Landon Carter
i wont promise that it wont. i dont think it would happen. whiteness is in the eyes. hair color is just cosmetic.
James Williams
>(Racist) American whites today obviously think that blonde hair and blue eyes are superior I'm a racist American White and I don't think blonde hair and blue eyes are superior. Most prominent White Nationalists don't believe that b/b is superior either. Look at the pictures of the Nazis at Charlottesville. Most were not blonde.
David Reyes
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Ryder Perez
And fuck you, if you really think that. Blonde/blue eyed is viewed favorably because it's most aesthetically pleasing, besides being more rare genetically speaking; it's as simple as that. Like, for each beautiful person with angelical features there are 100 big lipped, generic dumb niggers just like yourself.
>If you really want a safe, happy, prosperous society for god's sake stop looking at race as determining factor because it isn't. >all safe, happy, prosperous societies are White (and East Asian) >all shitholes are non-White and get progressively shittier as the genetic distance from White (or East Asian) increases (Argentina>Iran>Latin America>Middle East/North Africa>Sub-Saharan Africa) Hmm are you saying that low-IQ brown people can even understand political/philosophical ideals beyond "gibs me dat welfare money so I can buy malt-liquor"?
Jaxson Jackson
>Hmm are you saying that low-IQ brown people can even understand political/philosophical ideals beyond "gibs me dat welfare money so I can buy malt-liquor"?
Yes they can. But like anything else an individual's capabilities is mostly dependant on their upbringing and education. If a black child is raised by two loving parents in a stable household and recieves a proper education chances are they're going to do well for themselves. Likewise if a white child is raised in a trailer park by two abusive parents and doesn't recieve an education, he's going to do horribly in society.
IQ is only heriditary to a degree and that can be icreased over generations with better education and living standards.
Liam Walker
>If a black child is raised by two loving parents in a stable household and recieves a proper education chances are they're going to do well for themselves. Likewise if a white child is raised in a trailer park by two abusive parents and doesn't recieve an education, he's going to do horribly in society. I don't think anyone disagrees with this but it doesn't mean that there aren't racial differences that would make people in similar circumstances end up differently on average.
Adrian Lopez
>Yes they can No they can't. At least, not the majority of them because their average IQ is so low. And since they can ALL vote, the dumb ones will out-vote the smart ones and thus be a negative for our democracy. >else an individual's capabilities is mostly dependant on their upbringing and education Nope. IQ is 80% genetic. >If a black child is raised by two loving parents in a stable household and recieves a proper education chances are they're going to do well for themselves. No you retard. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study Non adopted, with two white biological parents: 109 IQ Adopted, with two white biological parents: 106 IQ Adopted, with one white and one black biological parent: 99 IQ Adopted, with two black biological parents 89 IQ
William Cox
>It took you so long to realize the Jow Forums narrative and fantasies are fucking retarded You're a little slow senpai
Benjamin Price
Did you even read the thread? OP has been eviscerated.
Daniel Martin
>DUHHH WHY PICK THE POOPOO OUT OF YOUR MIXED VEGGIES IF YOU LIKE CARROTS BETTER DEN PEAS!?!??! DIDN'T THINK OF DAT DID U!?