Do people really struggle with money or are they just straight up lying?
I'm a brainlet shitwage working for a third of the below minimum wage in a very expensive country (Nordic) and I have to support myself, ie rent etc, Yet I have tons of money in my account to buy shit like 4k consoles etc.
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In america, yes. We dont get all the free gibs the nordics get
It's mostly stupid people who buy things they can't afford or start families when they can't really support them.
That's impossible in 1st world countries, where minimum wage doesn't even pay for half of rent in a nigger ghetto.
America is the same way. Go to college just to be filled with debt, shitty apartment and a seemingly dead end job
Why are you working for below minimum wage? Are you an illegal immigrant?
Where do you live user? In Sweden? If so it must be in bumfuck nowhere where housing is shit cheap
Over here you can live off one minimum wage full time job and pay rent if you aren't stupid
I don't understand how there are full time jobs (ie 40 hours/week) you can't support yourself with, no one would do those jobs here.
Here the jobs that can support you full-time, even the most insignificant jobs, require a billion years of experience because of all the illegals and h1b and other bullshit.
Most jobs here are service based which excludes most illegals and refugees since you have to be able to talk the local language
In America all that shit would go out the window the first time you had to see a doctor without good insurance which is $300+ a month. That's just one example. I bet i pay in a month the same amount or rent you pay in a year.
Norway has no minimum wage though
>if you aren't stupid
Meaning, if you are okay living on ramen packets and tap water and watching the clouds for entertainment.
Minimum wage in London would not cover a 1 bed place here, so people share but usually still have to claim welfare even if they are working
Just pirate vidya bro
I work for more than minimum wage and yet the rent would be at least half of my earnings. Thank God I can live with my parents.
I can afford going out or to the movies as long as I don't do it all the time..
Over here in Vienna rents are high too but you find something decent enough if you look hard enough. I heard it's worse in other cities though
What about the PC part and electricity that stuff ain't cheap. Anyway, there are hardly and fulltime jobs that pay minimum wage in America. Chances are if they don't care enough about you to pay you the minimum, they're not giving you benefits.
Pretty much this. They stop you at 39 hours or whatever the companys legal minimum is before they have to give insurance and shit.
>tfw earn 2200 a month but i always end up with 50 euros at the end of the month
how tf do people save money???
Usually it's 37.5 hours.
Cut down on the hookers
I'm in a similar situation as him. Rent is 1500 euros per month, rest goes to food and maintenance for the most part.
Where you from? Thats alot of rent.
Normalfags are fucking retarded. My brother was recently begging for money after buying ps+ (multiplayer for ps4) 1 month at a time for atotal of $500 since launch. He's done tonnes of equally retarded shit
rent/mortgage being about 40% is completely normal. For people who are not "well-off", upwards of 60%+ is still liveable.
Stupidity, don't encourage people to improve it, though.
The more wise everyone is, the harder the game gets.
Fr*nce.
London is a bit different though; it's extremely expensive per capita, and not at all an accurate representation of "normal" living conditions.
Average rent in the UK for a small one-bed house or apartment is probably about 600-700 per month. Easily affordable on living wage.
But all the jobs are in london, and honestly, 4 hour commute isn't for everyone.
>tfw can't do groceries this month because broke.
Spending too much money on hobby stuff this months..
It can it's just that you need to learn that no ones cares about you.
Why not just show him the year is way cheaper?
Told him this already and got the response "it's just $10 bro"
>below minimum wage
>can live anone
this is abnormal
>live in Nordic country
>complain about minimum wage
Bro minimum wage in Norway is probably like $20 an hour.
In America I have been forced to work 4-5 departments at the same time in retail, and still only got paid $7 an hour. Anyone who thinks you can live in an American city or state on $7 an hour is batshit insane.
It was like indentured servitude or slavery, with a barely sustainable paycheck.
Have you considered that different nations have different standards and costs of living? If you weren't aware of that, you're probably not aware that Nordic nations have safety nets and higher taxes on businesses to ensure a low poverty rate. Meanwhile in America, we can't even get universal health care due to conservatives sucking billionaire cock. It also doesn't help that our wages are low and cost of living is so high due to inflation.
Got any proofs dudearino?
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And slaves actually got food and living quarters. We don't even get that.
You live in a nordic country faggot. You're government literally will not let you starve. Work a minimum wage job here in the States and you will not be able to survive in some circumstances.
Universal healthcare is absolute dogshit in every single country it's been implemented in except maybe iceland. Infinite wait time, incompetent doctors, misdiagnoses out the ass because they get paid based on people seen, not people fixed; bad prescriptions, no respect for patients (someone comes in with a limp saying his heel has been killing him for days, got mocked for 'walking like that'), fuckall coverage (medicine is rarely covered, usually it's handled by private insurances, same with dental and ambulance, which costs $100 for 3 minutes transport), incorrect surgery because doctors don't get enough surgery training (both the wrong kind, and incorrectly performed), etc. It's so bad that people invariably resort to medical tourism, and america is the prime destination for that.
>live in Mountain View
>cost of living is too high
>steal food at work
>ride bike to work even tho i have a car
>save enough to buy a house in central valley
>move
>live a comfy life shitposting on Jow Forums
It is depressing as fuck.
I worked Drug and GM, Dairy, Produce, and Front End as a cashier and bagger.
The sad part? I was often having to live off of rationed meals and starving. I tried to save money but the pay is so small that I could barely afford food and rent. I didnt purchase a single piece of entertainment for months because I couldnt afford it.
Legalized slavery to be honest.
Senpai, I net 5500 SEK/month and I usually manage to put away around 1500, countryside living, in any city it probably wouldn't cover basic rent. Cities are crowded and suck dick anyway tho.
They're lying and/or stupid. I spent a few years in my early twenties working literal minimum wage, spending roughly 65% of my paycheck on rent (because my paycheck was tiny and I refused to live with roommates) and the remainder on food and gas. I would occasionally (once a month, maybe) treat myself to a meal at a restaurant, though nothing over $15.
I never had any times when I ran out of money or couldn't afford to eat. I bought cheap but healthy food and cooked it at home. People "struggle" with money because they think they "need" to have a television or a cell phone and waste their money on unnecessary shit.
Yea why dont you tell us your rent costs and wage? Oh, because you are in fact lying.
>$15 meal
That is 2 hours of work minimum wage.
I'm on neet bux and I struggle with money. My new apartment has a broken shower and broken heater and the land lord wants me to pay for it, I can't. I wish I never moved into this fucking shit hole. I was not the one who broke it, the previous tenants did but they didn't thorougly check the place.
>America is the prime destination for that
That's why americans go to canada for reduced costs on prescriptions, right?
>Legalized slavery to be honest.
If you're working a minimum wage job then you deserve it. You did not end up there by accident. You are there because you are either a literal child or someone who has made such poor life choices that this is all they can realistically do, in which case you don't deserve more than minimum wage.
I dropped out of college because I was a depressed loser and got a job working minimum wage at a gas station in the ghetto. My coworkers were such incredible human garbage that it took very little effort for me to be promoted to assistant manager after 6 months. A year later I was manager and after sticking around for another year, I used my "management experience" to get a general manager job paying three times as much in a nearby city. It's literally that easy to advance in these shitty jobs because the people there are people like you who consider it "legalized slavery" and only put in the bare minimum effort and wonder why their lives are so shitty. Appearing more competent and promotable than these people is incredibly easy.
I made $7.50 an hour, worked 40 hours a week. My rent was somewhere between $500-600, don't remember exactly. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I spent most of my money entirely on rent, food and gas but I still managed to save small amounts here and there.
I could generally afford unexpected expenses (like having to spend a few hundred on car repairs) as long as they only happened once or twice a year. I suppose I would have been fucked if my car had broken down multiple times in the same year.
Yes, which is why it was a rare treat.
>being this much of a condescending prick
>manager
Sounds about right.
I was doing minimum wage because my useless family abandoned me while I was going to college, which I finished by the way, but I guess I deserved that. Asshole.
define "tons of money"? I have about 100k euros (property, cash etc) to my name. Its very little and I am struggling and my job pays shit but its more than minimum wage.
They don't. On the other hand, canadians constantly go to the US for even the most basic of treatments.
Nope, Just brainlet, so we get put into work were we have no rights and earn little.
And I'm from Denmark and rent a apartment in a city with all the normal things, Train station, Bars and Clubs, videogame stores etc.
are you single? why the fuck are you renting the whole apartment/house? just share a house with other people, or do you literally like to throw money away?
I earn around 5 $ an hour. In a nordic country. You Amerifucks have it easy, atleast a job stacking shelves doesn't require many years of education and unpaid internships.
Because the single bedroom isn't even big enough for a single bed so I literally sleep on sheets on the floor, and beside that there's a closet bathroom and a kitchen with enough free space for two people to stand up inside at the same time.
$300 for a full 40 hour work week (without taxes, social security deduction, or union dues)
That brings it down to $250 for 40 hour work week. Or $1,000 a month if you work 160 or more hours a month. 60% of your paycheck is rent. Groceries are about $100-$150 a month if you are exceptionally frugal. Utilities would be somewhere around $100 for electricity and $50 for water.
That is $900 out of $1000 a month on rent and food.
Yeah, and my family kicked me out because I refused to get a full time job while attending college. Oh no, so sad.
It's not condescending, it's the truth. Do you really think that after working my way up and spending nearly a decade in these kinds of jobs, I don't have any kind of experience with the sort of people who work them? People working minimum wage fall into these categories:
>students
>recent college graduates looking for something to hold them over while they find a real job
>people who have had bad luck but are actively working to improve themselves
>people who don't care that their lives are shit and are making no effort to improve themselves
The "woe is me" types tend to fall into the final category. I and probably most other managers in these positions are constantly short on intelligent and reliable employees and are always looking for useful people to promote. Example:
>have two guys working as cashiers
>one is in his thirties and lives with his parents
>one is married with a bunch of kids but on some kind of government assistance that requires him to not work more than 20 hours per week. Could make more money overall if he worked more but it's "easier" to work little and get free money than to work more and be less poor
>have had vacant full time position for many months, both act vaguely interested but never make any real effort
>hire recent highschool grad
>she's enthusiastic, great with customers, learns her job quickly
>immediately expresses interest in full time position once she learns of it
>happily promote her once she's been here for a few months and shown that she can be a consistently good worker
>doing great in her new role, will probably start moving her toward a management role after another 6-12 months
>meanwhile, two loser guys spend their shifts tethered to the register, complaining about how they wish they could go home
It's so easy to stand out. It's so, so easy and almost anywhere will recognize it.
you are being ripped off or you live literally in central paris next to fucking eiffel tower or whatever the most central part is,
It's actually surprisingly easy to make it on minimum wage, unless you live somewhere where you need a car. Fucking boomers.
Except either you need a car, or you live in the city where living on 5x minimum wage is impossible.
this, become a girl if you want easy money
>its not condescending its the truth
You sound like a manager for Kroger or target. Either way you are being condescending and not exactly truthful.
I bet you only hired that teen girl because you like looking at her ass. Most retail managers are pervy as fuck.
Used to be poor and got "rich". The ones that are poor are lazy and spend their money on drugs and alcohol. Some go to college but then never do anything with their degree or move to jobs
>union dues
Yeah, I had to pay a big chunk into the "ghetto cashiers union". Are you retarded?
>Utilities would be somewhere around
Somewhere around included in my rent and you're out of your fucking mind if you think anyone living alone in a small apartment is paying $100 a month for electricity. Mine was $30, tops.
And yes, again, I spent the majority of my paycheck on food, rent and gas but the point here is that I did so successfully without running out of money or going on government assistance because I understood the difference between necessities and indulgences.
I was almost certainly poor enough to qualify for food stamps at least so this would have been even easier if I had cared to try to get government assistance. I would have had lots of extra cash if I had been willing to live with a roommate or two instead of being a loner autist willing to spend a huge chunk of my paycheck in exchange for being able to live alone.
Too bad the previous generation decided it was best to design urban areas around the car. There's no reason why smaller cities can't be walkable with adequate mass transit.
honestly the guy who receives government benefits probably makes more from the 20 hours plus benefits then if he world 40 hours plus 10 hours of overtime simply because he has kids and the government is willing to pay out the yang for people having kids when they cant afford them
>children are a prize that should only be rewarded to the rich, successful or with good genes
>$30 electricity bill
What the fuck? Did you only use 1 lightbulb, a chrome book, and a fucking Bunsen burner?
if you make less than 500 us dollas a month.... then you can talk (that's what most of eastern europe make)
If your shitty apartment's rent starts at $1350...........................
{insert more reddit punctuation}
Then you can talk.
Fucking inbred.
I've promoted plenty of guys too but the promotable guys tend to be even more aggressive than the promotable girls and tend to find better jobs after a year or two. The vacant position was vacant because the guy who had held it previously (who I promoted to the position) quit to be a truck driver.
I'm not a manager for either of those but does it really matter where I'm a manager? All retail is pretty similar. I'm not being condescending, I'm telling you that if you don't like getting minimum wage then you need to start making an effort to show that you deserve more because showing up to work thinking, "I hate this place, this is legalized slavery" is not putting you in the best mindset to show your management that you should be in a better position.
I hired that teen girl because a good chunk of my bonus is based on customer satisfaction surveys which are heavily influenced by my cashiers who are the last contact we have with the customer. A cute, bubbly girl working the register is going to send customers out of the store with a good impression even if their visit wasn't anything special.
I hire attractive people in general, male and female, for this very reason. The 30s guy living with his parents still has a job here because he's attractive and our female customers really enjoy flirting with him which, again, leads to good reviews on satisfaction surveys.
Just more proof retail needs to die.
Eliminate the small impulse purchases. Ex. Instead of buying that Starbucks on the way to work, make a coffee at home and use s travel mug.
Managers at my old store used to lie to customers, discount rotten meat, and even had a rat problem that they hushed, and repackaged meat that was nibbled on by rats.
Retail managers are pond scum
>pay someone less than they need to even survive
>prevent them any opportunity for advancement
>"waaaah why don't they love this joooooob"
really made me think.
I had a small fridge and made conscious efforts to conserve electricity. Heat was gas and included in my rent and I only had one window air conditioner during the summer and would only turn it on for an hour or two a day, and then only if I was miserably hot.
Dunno where you guys live that your electricity bills are so huge. I actually just looked at my last bill out of curiosity, pic related. This is during colder months with gas heat included in my rent, but still. I turn on lights, I have a desktop pc, I have a fridge. Where else am I supposed to be burning all this electricity?
I love how your ilk has no concept of the value of money or the cost of things yet still comment like that and decide to push the blame instead of applying even the most basic of maths.
why dont you make kids too then, abuse the system like others
Average american makes less than 30k per year.
>say you hired her because she looked pretty
>proceeds to say he hired her for her looks AND bubbly nature
Lol literally what I said
Yeah over here electricity and gas bill isn't great either, around 20-30 Euros a month, in summer even less.I pay a flat rate of around 35 Euros and even get money back each year after they check the gas counter.
>Average american makes less than 30k per year.
average american is a nigger or spic
>Virginia
Get back to me when you make minimum wage in a state that is 90-110 Fahrenheit 9 months out of the year.
Even up here in cucknada we pay more for electricity than you do. AC for an hour/two per day? I don't have any AC, not even a fan, even when it's 40C out there. Fuck you. Gas included in the fucking rent? Go fuck yourself you privileged fuck. During winter (4-5 months) I heat for a total of 2 hours per day and wear 50 covers because otherwise I have to pay $300/mo in gas alone.
>it's about attractiveness
we all were bound to fail from the beginning
the game is fucking rigged man
>people need to stop buying stuff
Yeah, good luck with that.
Both of the guys I mentioned are surviving just fine and both of them could have been promoted multiple times if they had shown even the slightest initiative. They've been here for years. Why am I going to promote lazy people with bad attitudes? I have things that need to get done every day and when my employees don't do their jobs, I don't get to just shrug and leave those jobs unfinished. I have to go do them myself. I would be making my job harder if I promoted these people.
Yes user, everyone everywhere is exactly the same and the retail management conspiracy is why you're still making minimum wage.
Jokes on you faggot, I work in IT as a net specialist, so I dont make minimum wage anymore but that still doesnt change my opinion on how mentally scarring working for retail is. Shit should be illegal.
Severely underpaid people are working ten times harder than you at any point in time during the day because retail managers spend most of their time grabbing their dicks and organizing work schedules.
>>pay someone less than they need to even survive
>>prevent them any opportunity for advancement
>>"waaaah why don't they love this joooooob"
>"I forced you to stay in the exact same static position with not even a hint there's a way up for YEARS"
>"how dare you not revere me as a GOD!"
>'I hired a cute grill because no matter what kind of effort men do, they don't poll well in surveys and literally all I care about is my bottom line, fuck you"
>"then I told her about promotion day one and promoted her almost immediately despite the fact you've been there for years without telling you any of that"
>"what do you mean you have to work 2 other jobs and still can't afford to live away from your parents' house? That means you're surviving just fine"
>"WORSHIP ME PEONS!"
really made me think.
Have you ever stopped and realized that maybe the reason people could care less in retail is because they get paid a dog shit salary?
HMMMMMM almost makes me think
don't worry mofucka... 350 here
It's been a long time since my minimum wage days, friend.
>living in some flyover desert shithole when I could be surrounded by beautiful nature and pay less at the same time
Pic related.
Again, this is what you get for living in an extreme climate. If you live in the desert or somewhere unusually cold, guess what, it's gonna cost you more. You can move any time you want, or do only "privileged" people get to relocate?
While I do have a bias toward attractive people, that doesn't mean I won't hire unattractive people if they have the right personality or work ethic. It's just that you're fucking yourself over twice if you're ugly and have a negative personality as well.
AC is mandatory in hot states which increases the electricity bill, btw
kek, u are mistaken my good sir.
Look man, this is me back here . I was there, working minimum wage and hating it. And I looked around at my coworkers, most of them twice my age, and asked myself, "Is this where I want to be when I'm 40?"
I realized that if I kept coming to work in a bad mood, doing the bare minimum because "they're paying me minimum wage so they're getting minimum effort", then that's where I would be. I'm not telling you to magically start loving your job, I'm telling you that if you have no education and no skills then the only thing you have to offer an employer is your work ethic and personality and you can fake the everloving shit out of both of those. I did and after a few years, I was the one working management while these people in their 40s were having to take direction from me.
Is it fair? No, it's not but life is never going to be fair. I'm not trying to tell you that it is, I'm telling you that if you have no other prospects then you can either suck it up and be the person management wants to hire and promote or you can keep complaining and blaming the world and never progress from where you are now. The choice is 100% yours.
>both of them could have been promoted multiple times if they had shown even the slightest initiative
This is what the jews ACTUALLY want you to believe lmao. Minimum wage = minimum effort. Content lapdogs like you drag down everyone's position in life.
>Minimum wage = minimum effort.
Beat you to it, kid: Again, I don't want to ruin the fantasy for you but there are more people in the world than there are good paying positions. You are competing for them, that's just a fact of life. You can choose not to compete if you want and you can pretend that you're wise to the system or whatever but don't complain when you lose the competition.
I didn't create the competition buddy, nature did. And while I'd give everyone a good job if I had en endless supply of them, I don't and that means that the best person gets it.
wrong, also irrelevant because he didn't say he was Norwegian. norway does have a minimum wage for full-time work, but none for part-time or apprenticeship.
free "gibs" like what might i ask? (really taking a liking to these goblinisms like "gibs" and "lit")
captcha is oerakerstien holy shit the nsa knows me
Nigger I live in Texas. If I don't run the AC 24/7 I will sweat until I look like I just came out of the pool and be extremely uncomfortable all the time. I don't want to live like an Indian, rather fork over the $150/month