Awful brainfog

>Don't take any fucking stimulants
>never let yourself go to sleep later than 11:30pm
???
>become a Christian
Ah, everything makes sense now. Cuck.

Also op do you get enough sunlight? You might want to take d3 vitamin otherwise. If you don't exercise at least take long walks when neeting it out.

Nothing says uncucked like being reliant on stimulants to stay sane and posting on Jow Forums at three in the morning.

>at three in the morning
>what are timezones
Retarded christcuck confirmed. Why do you make it so easy?

I was making a generalization. I know it's three o clock in the world somewhere right now but I didn't assume to know what time you're posting. If you have a problem me posting that staying up really late is bad it seemed reasonable to assume that you stay up late. And I can't imagine anything productive getting done past midnight unless you're a night-wagecuck.

i have brainfog and don't drink

i go to bed at 11pm and wake up at 9am. I exercise half an hour a day, I work 10-4 each day.
>Also study moral philosophy and become a Christian
worst advice itt other than the "start smoking weed" guy

Tbh reading bible is pretty relieving. But I feel like it's way too hard to actually follow thru in this world, unless you live with other christians.
t. otherfag

the bible will lead you from god's light.

The earliest Christians got torn apart by lions and nailed to crosses, it could be worse.

Pure bible study divorced from the Church can. Some people get crazy ideas if left to ponder on their own for too long.

>And I can't imagine anything productive getting done past midnight unless you're a night-wagecuck
That's because you're committing the typical mind fallacy. Just because you are less productive at night, doesn't mean that that's true for everyone, in fact some people's brains actually work much better at night.
I don't know whether that's true for OP, but it is a possibility.

No, the church is worse than the bible. Studying the bible alone is better than studying it in an echo chamber.

Ok. I will fucking read it.

>You drink a lot?
I don't drink alcohol. But I drink a shitton of water, like 7 liters a day.

> never let yourself go to sleep later than 11:30pm.
Oh, this is the fucking worst. My sleep schedule is permanently fucked. It doesn't get any better.

>Also op do you get enough sunlight? You might want to take d3 vitamin otherwise. If you don't exercise at least take long walks when neeting it out.

Yeah, I take a lot of sun and do walks every single day.

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>Just stop drinking water or water based products
ok, i will only drink oil from now on, fucking idiot

>in fact some people's brains actually work much better at night.
>I don't know whether that's true for OP, but it is a possibility.
Yeah, this is exactly me. EXACTLY me.

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This is the cure:

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maybe try to get your shit tested? unless it's too expensive where you live. Maybe you have some deficiencys you don't know about. How's your diet anyway?

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Joan of Arc is a Roman Catholic saint and the Church isn't an echo chamber. If anything the Church's problem is that it's too open to new ideas.

Even if you can work at night it's more sensible to attune yourself to something like an 8:00am-11:00pm schedule. That's how most of the world works and it's closer to how we're built to operate.

>maybe try to get your shit tested?
What should I get tested user?

You really need to cut down on the aluminium intake man, seriously.

Go sit on Doctor Shekelbergwitzsteinman's couch for a while and talk about your mother. Afterwords he'll give you so many brain-boosting, productivity-inducing, health-aids that you'll never worry again.

>
Yes, theoretically. But I know for a fact that it can be very counterproductive, and in the end one should do what comes natural for them (whithin work schedule limits).
This can be a pretty big problem for some people, and they are the ones who benefit from working graveyard shift.

Some hospitals at least in my country have specific tests for males where they test your general health. Probably thru blood or something I'm not sure myself. Figured those could tell if there's some underlying cause for your mind fog, but maybe it's better you try to search this yourself than listening to my shitposts.

I know she is a roman catholic saint. it's a joke.
the church is an extreme echo chamber
>room full of people who believe the bible is the word of god
>all discussions hinge on the bible being divine

it's not divine. It is man made and to obey it over what god really wants is idolatry and false worship.

>comes natural
I don't think anybody's born attuned to the night-shift. I think it's a learned behaviour shaped by bad habits. I can't know everyone's personal circumstances but I can't imagine it being a naturally occurring thing.

You act like everyone believing in the bible being the true word of the Holy Spirit is some kind of assurance of agreement. All it ensures is that when agreements do happen they're going to get ugly.

What does God want that isn't in the Bible? People acting like the Bible sprang into existence fully-formed and that the entire history of Christian scholarship is only worth as much as their personal interpretation is a problem but I don't think the Bible itself is problematic.

I have very low testosterone. Do you think that has to do with it?

>I don't think anybody's born attuned to the night-shift. I think it's a learned behaviour shaped by bad habits. I can't know everyone's personal circumstances but I can't imagine it being a naturally occurring thing.
Once again, this is the typical mind fallacy.
>The typical mind fallacy is the mistake of modelling the minds inside other people's brains as exactly the same as your own mind. Humans lack insight into their own minds and what is common among everyone or unusually specific to a few.
There are people who work best at night, it is a fact.

idk look up the symptoms. If you have low t you could maybe get recipe for it tho.

>idk look up the symptoms. If you have low t you could maybe get recipe for it tho.
I have been taking testosterone in the gel form. I don't think it's working and my balls are starting to hurt at night for some reason.

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Not sleeping enough lowers testosterone. Get on that.

Stop saying fallacy, it doesn't make you smart. Explain your thinking. I didn't say it's absolutely impossible to work at night. I said I don't believe it's ideal because there's no rational reason for someone to be naturally attuned to it. You might work best at night, but I suspect that that's because you mind-raped yourself into being used to it.

>You act like everyone believing in the bible being the true word of the Holy Spirit is some kind of assurance of agreement

it is, they agree it's god's word.

The thing is, the bible is a valuable piece of text. It is one of very few surviving pieces of culture from thousands of years ago. The mystique that surrounds it makes reasonable people think that it is literally god's word. That and if you read it, it says "this is god's word".

The reason I go by Joan jokingly, btw, is that I had a religious experience as a teen and it shattered my worldview. The religion I grew up in was wrong and nobody has it right.

you suffer from the dick sucker fallacy

Your posts, on the other hand, definitely make you look stupid.
I, just like several other people I know (including my brother), have always found it much easier to concentrate at night, since I was a kid. I always hated being forced to go to sleep early, especially because I couldn't sleep anyway, since my brain reaches its peak at night.
I have always been like that, same for my brother, and I know that we aren't the only two who are bulit like that.

>religion I grew up in
Which was? And what was this experience?

>nobody has it right
weak opinion. Never gonna make it if you don't strive for the absolute.

And as for the Bible, remember that it was considered a divine authority before it was ancient and mystical. Its divine authority derives from Jesus Christ and it was written when he was still in the personal living memory of his apostles. The early Church Fathers who established these things weren't paranoid/superstitious clowns. I consider them strong authorities as they were closer to their sources and likely more devoted to their cause than most modern authorities.

Are you sure you weren't using energy inefficiently? Were you loading up on sugar? Getting exercise? Being overstimulated? Lots of factors to consider.

Okay but why are you mad though?

There is an absolute, but I haven't come to terms with it, user. The reason I started namefagging is to hold myself accountable for all of my posts. If I search my name on an archive site, all my posts appear and I want them to be something that I wouldn't be ashamed of god reading.

I grew up in a baptist family going to a presbyterian church. There are pros and cons of these churches.
cons:
>no clerical structure means almost no consistency in teaching between churches

pros:
>no clerical structure means no hierarchy of rich guys who influence the church's teachings

That doesn't sound bad. What's important is that you don't give up on the absolute. I don't know if anybody ever even gets more than a glimpse within their lifetime, but we've always got to look. It's what we're made for.

I got a glimpse user, angels appeared to me.

Really? Are you certain you didn't have a minor stroke/hallucination/weird-dream?

Yeah. I am positive.
Have you ever wondered why there are passages of the bible that preach stuff that is morally wrong and most people just gloss over it and excuse it as being just a relic of its time?
have church group activities ever made your moral compass twitch? Have you ever wondered how come the congregation is poor and the pope is rich?

tripfags rice and joan out

>Have you ever wondered why there are passages of the bible that preach stuff that is morally wrong and most people just gloss over it and excuse it as being just a relic of its time?
Because most Christians are members of their country/community first and members of God's Kingdom second. I'm the same, but I try to recognize it. I personally believe that everything the Bible labels morally wrong is wrong and that no claims are made which run contrary to reason.

>have church group activities ever made your moral compass twitch?
Depends on the group. There are people who claim to be Christian who are pro-abortion but that says nothing about what it means to be Christian, only where that particular person's priorities are at.
>Have you ever wondered how come the congregation is poor and the pope is rich?
An user posting from the Vatican on Jow Forums who claimed to be a South African cook told me that Francis actually prefers to prepare his own simple meals whenever he has the time. I think that it's misleading to call the pope rich. He's not in danger of starving and the Vatican has piles of money, but I consider it justly gained and to a good extent justly spent. I don't think there are too many cocaine & hooker parties in the Vatican anymore.

If the congregation is poor that's fine provided that their basic needs are provided for and their dignity is intact. That's the ideal way to live if anything. I have a significant amount of money saved aside and nothing to do with it. It's quite a depressing situation.

Are you a regular on this board? I'm just stopping in.

I am a regular.
I think you should keep your eye on the bible and pay attention for what I am talking about.

Also it is exactly accurate to call the pope rich.
I think all religious leaders should have taken both a vow of celibacy and a vow of poverty. I think more "average" people should consider these vows as well, because it takes focus off of things like the altar of pussy and mammon that we tend to allow to rule our lives.

When you say the Pope is rich you make it sound as though he has great material wealth. I think it would be more accurate to say that he has access/control over an enormous amount of wealth and power, but due to the nature of his office he is effectively bound to a relatively humble way of living. Of course he is widely respected and beloved, but he can't do what most people would probably want his money and influence for. I know that Popes in the past have but the Vatican doesn't seem to be in a bad spot right now with these things.

>I think all religious leaders should have taken both a vow of celibacy and a vow of poverty
Absolutely. If you're truly devoting your life to the pursuit of higher things you need to forsake the low. I'm more or less in this spot now but just due to awkwardness/neurosis. I don't want to buy anything and am afraid of myself or somebody close to me being struck by some catastrophe which can only be rectified with a huge stack of money and the thought of sexual conduct divorced from a willingness to procreate disgusts me.

Any particular bible readings you recommend? A particular book and/or angle of approach? I don't think I've ever found anybody open to genuinely discussing Christianity or serious faith of any kind on this board before so this is all quite interesting to me.

Don't worry lads it's just jordan peterson shitposting again

>Don't worry lads it's just jordan peterson shitposting again
Can you imagine if Jordan Peterson actually really shitposted on this board on his free time though?

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It'd be fucking horrible.

Honestly, enough people here like him and larp as him all the time (mimesis is a great way to become your dad figure)

JP is a meme. It took him something like 45 years to realize that he shouldn't take anti-depressants. Maybe by the time he turns 70 he'll realize that Modernism is the cancer that started destroying humanity, not Post-Modernism. Peterson doesn't want you to become a Christian, he views the Church through the same secular/Jewish pathologizing lens which he uses to scrutinize everything.

When I say the pope is rich, I mean that he will never experience hardship relating to money or material ever again in his life, as long as he lives.
The Vatican bank contains $8 million dollars at any time, money which is being hoarded by a small subset of people. It should all be redistributed. It is only being used to uphold catholic values and idolatrous vatican worship.

As for the bible I recommend only 1 passage.
Matthew 7:12

as for extrabiblical church teachings I find 'WWJD' a solid philosophy to live by for those just coming to know God.

Lol he still takes them doesn't he?

I honestly don't really know what he wants. Does he honestly think a society full of secular Christians would be better? We'd just be swapping different problems for others

>When I say the pope is rich, I mean that he will never experience hardship relating to money or material ever again in his life, as long as he lives.
I understand what you mean here but I don't see this as an inherent flaw in the office. It might detach one from material suffering but that doesn't inherently interfere with spiritual life.

>It should all be redistributed. It is only being used to uphold catholic values and idolatrous vatican worship.
The money which flows to the Vatican is always being redistributed. I personally find Catholic values and worship to be extremely valuable things but I doubt I have much to say on the subject which you haven't already heard. I could try though I suppose. The big drain on donated money appears to be administration from what I've read, and that's an inherent flaw in large scale money-movement. The issue isn't the Vatican, it's their systems. Perhaps they could restructure their charity system to place more emphasis on ground-level charity, encouraging money to flow within communities so that it has less travel space in which to become lost.

>Matthew 7:12
I always try to keep this one in mind, only I'm afraid it generally tends to make me withdraw from contact with others all together rather than attempt to establish good relationships and take beneficial positive actions.

Also this line of thinking can be dangerous if not read in context. We have to remember that it's not a personal rule, the intention behind this point is to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. That's God's Law and God's Prophets. Mistaking this teaching as an endorsement for whatever ideas are popularly considered nice in your own culture is a danger we have to look out for. Do what you would have others do to you, assuming that your mind is perfectly in tune with the Laws and Prophets.

Yeah, I remember him saying that he'll never stop taking them.

A leader detached from material suffering, who has never gone without, is then detached from his congregation of average people, in my view.

>The big drain on donated money appears to be administration
That is what I am saying; the existence of the clergy is a waste of resources.

>We have to remember that it's not a personal rule
everything in the bible is meant to be taken personally and applied to your own life, sans exception, this passage being the perfect example.

>Mistaking this teaching as an endorsement for whatever ideas are popularly considered nice in your own culture is a danger
I have to stop you mid sentence. You're about to participate in the mental gymnastics that plague christians.
Your inner moral compass is god's ongoing work on earth. He wants you to follow it. This is what the passage is about. So that means without exception you must treat others with dignity.

Do you get headaches as well op?
Check your posture and breathing habits, i used to get awful headaches and brain fog and it was mostly because i grew up in front of computers and would use any crappy chair available at the time most with little to no back support which basically fucks your muscles and makes them super tight which makes it hard for blood to flow properly and restricts your breathing so your bodies oxygen levels are crap.
tldr op you might need to stretch and excercise more and do some pilates and yoga and get a better chair or some shit

He kind of fits Curtis Yarvin's definition of a 'non-theistic Christian'. He's either that or a stoic. Only of course post-Christian stoicism doesn't really make sense. I don't think that he appreciates that trying to build an ideal world on pure reason is the source of all of these cancerous ideologies he's built up such a reputation for opposing. He wants to build a better world using the same materials as his sworn ideological enemies. A society of secular Christians strikes me as just as impossible as a society of atheists. Both are irrational and bound for existential crisis followed by either change or collapse. You can't have Christianity without Christ, you can't eat your cake and have it. People turn from God because of the perceived harshness of some of his commands, but at the same time crave the shelter and reason of others. Unless you take them all as a whole and back them up with the authority of the absolute you're just another ideology.

After a certain point I don't think there's much to be done for it. He's probably become chemically dependent on them.

>Check your posture and breathing habits
My posture is more or less fine, but my breathing habits I'm not sure at all. A lot of times when I go to sleep I see that only one nostril inhales because the other one is congested. And this happens like all the time, except when I use a nose spray, which I forget to use a lot. Recently I have noticed that when I am lying down and sleeping, and then wake up, I feel dizzy without even getting out of bed, and I really don't know if my breathing is ok.

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Has Francis never gone without? I don't know much about his life back when he was just Bergoglio. I'd imagine that his life has probably been more austere than most purely by virtue of having taken a vow of celibacy. We're probably living in one of if not the single most oversexed period in human history and he willingly abstained. It's not the same as living in a hut in the wilderness and eating spiders but it's something.

>the existence of the clergy is a waste of resources
Their efforts in providing spiritual guidance are priceless. The way the Church handles money shouldn't bother you, it's not an inherent part of its structure, like for example the office of the Pope is. We could easily completely change how these things are handled. I'm inclined to agree to some extent, but I'd never call the clergy a waste. Without them who would feed the sheep?

>everything in the bible is meant to be taken personally and applied to your own life, sans exception, this passage being the perfect example.
I think that I may not have communicated my point here. I mean that Jesus didn't mean for us to apply totally subjective standards to the rule of treating others as we would be treated. I think that he would have assumed his followers would appreciate that they should all be striving for godliness. If you were to catch a sexual deviant attempting to read '120 Days of Sodom' to children in a public library and accuse him of acting improperly and he were to quote Matthew 7:12 at you you obviously wouldn't leave him be on the grounds that he's sharing what he loves. We're meant to try and live by Matthew 7:12, but while keeping the rest of scripture and Christ's teachings in mind. Matthew 7:12 if not read in context can lead to absurd and dangerous results.

-continued

I always try to treat others with dignity and believe that our inner moral compass (I use the term conscience) is God telling us what he wants, but we have to keep in mind that it's possible to be wrong. If God only wanted us to know his will through our consciences he'd have left it at that but he gave us specific teachings to follow. History is full of examples of people doing what appear to be blatantly horrible things with out of what they believe to be moral good and the pursuit of human dignity. We have to temper our natural inclinations with study and consideration of the law. We've always been prone to being misled, confused and deceived. If my conscience tells me one thing but I know that the Bible says another that's always a clear sign that I'm getting muddled.

>A lot of times when I go to sleep I see that only one nostril inhales
Is this a problem? I've been like this my whole life. I was certain it was normal.

I don't know m8. I went to a doctor and he said that ain't good.

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>We're probably living in one of if not the single most oversexed period in human history and he willingly abstained

I wish I was impressed.

>Without them who would feed the sheep?
Every christian denomination besides catholicism lacks a clergy and they feed their sheeple just as well (poorly) as the catholics.
Why should the way the church handles money not bother me? I think hoarding wealth under all circumstances is wrong. catholics not only have the fanciest churches (unneeded. you can hold church just as well in a barn or empty lot.), they also hoard treasure and gold at the vatican when their neighbors in the kingdom of god die of preventable illness, die in wars over wealth they will never see, and live on the street, even in countries that call themselves "rich". Any amount of wealth mishandled by the church is a disservice to these people who god loves.

> I mean that Jesus didn't mean for us to apply totally subjective standards to the rule of treating others as we would be treated. I think that he would have assumed his followers would appreciate that they should all be striving for godliness.
Oh, right, sorry. I didn't understand, but yes that is the biggest criticism of the "golden rule", that a masochist might want to be spanked but shouldn't go around spanking people on the streets because he would like if a stranger spanked him.

In my view, your conscience and the bible being in discord with each other is a sign the bible is wrong. It's just a book. It's not a soul.

Can I get more advice on how to cure my brainfog please? I have got this bottle with pills containing a combination of various nootropics. Am gonna start taking it and wanna know how long will I have to take to start seeing the effects?

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Ricebot, don't just take a bottle of random pills.

>Ricebot, don't just take a bottle of random pills.

But you fucking faggots told me to start taking nootropics. I got this fucking one. It's the only I fucking have. It's better to at least fucking try it because I'm fucking done with not being able to remember basic phrases.

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I am not "you faggots", I'm Joan the namefag.
I highly recommend you find a way to have something specific prescribed to you.

Sorry Joan. Anyway, I will try fixing my life and health, and if that shit doesn't fucking work, then I'm taking the fucking nootropics. Wish me luck!

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Good luck, friend. Hopefully you won't need to take your sketchy internet pills.

Thanks user!

>pic related my mother if she was thin and young again

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>I wish I was impressed
Fair enough. It's a weak point but it's something. The man didn't choose a life of raw comfort is what I mean. He could have had more but he choose a harder path. Not the hardest in the world, but harder.

>Every christian denomination besides catholicism lacks a clergy and they feed their sheeple just as well (poorly) as the catholics.
There's some painful truth to this but I'd argue that the Clergy are more valuable due to their stricter rules and hierarchy and more grounded teachings. There are plenty of bad clergy, but within Catholicism the difference is that we will always have an objective standard to judge the good from the bad for ourselves. They're the unchanging rocks upon which the Church has stood for 2000 years. No amount of bad points so far have brought it down and I sincerely believe that none ever will.

>Why should the way the church handles money not bother me?
Because it can be changed and it's not an inherent characteristic of the Church. It's a characteristic which only reveals the ephemeral poor judgement of some men in positions of administrative authority. The fundamental truth of the Church isn't damaged by this. You say they hoard but it's not Fort Knox over there. The money is constantly flowing in and out.

>catholics not only have the fanciest churches (unneeded. you can hold church just as well in a barn or empty lot.)
True, but I prefer to see them as an expression of skill and dedication. All perfectly fitting forms of tribute to God. I don't see spartan services serving any significant purpose. If anything it strikes me as almost materialistic. A Catholic church, but particularly beautiful and painstakingly constructed ones are preferred to better remind us of the true majesty of the Church. The value isn't in the price the things would get at auction, it's in the labour and dedication that went into them.

>Oh, right, sorry. I didn't understand, but yes that is the biggest criticism of the "golden rule", that a masochist might want to be spanked but shouldn't go around spanking people on the streets because he would like if a stranger spanked him.
Glad we're on the same page here. I think it's perfectly sound principle, just one which is also open to exploitation or misinterpretation.

I'm more inclined to side with the judgement of the early Church Fathers over myself. If those learned and devout men found the scripture so pleasing and valid as to be deemed perfect and directly inspired by the Holy Spirit how can any claim coming from my own confused heart/head claim precedence? It's not just a book, it's a collection of the inspired thoughts and feelings of some of the best and truest Christians to ever live. If Paul wrote one thing and my heart says another I'm inclined to side with Paul.

Again, sleep man.

If you're not getting 8 hours of sleep. Get 8 hours of sleep.
If you're getting more than 9. Get lodess than 9.

Thank me later.

>If you're getting more than 9. Get lodess than 9.
>tfw I sleep around 10 to 12 hours a day, and then woke up and felt tired throughout the day
>it must be because I'm not getting enough sleep!
>sleep even more
Kek.

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