There is no Us vs Them

For the last few years I've been deep into the misogynistic ideology of Jow Forums, I even made infographics about double standards at one point... but now I see that we're all exposed only to narratives that reinforce our views. It's all confirmation bias here.

Likewise, women in SJW circles are going through the same thing - surrounding themselves only with information that fits their narrative. Stories of pay gaps, domestic violence, and rape.

But these are just vocal fringe groups composed of very young people with limited knowledge and life experience. In reality both men and women are sometimes victim sometimes culprit, and most adults don't give a fuck about this kind of stuff.

It's just regretful that my inability to have sex led to such a distorted view of reality for a long time. Now that I have a girlfriend all that anger is gone. Maybe you should try and improve social skills instead of whining here, but you won't.

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I have a boyfriend, I'm just here to observe.

This is probably correct though. Internet has done wonders in pushing ostensibly normal people who would otherwise get along into their respective fringe camps.

well good for you chad, but we didn't all win the genetic lottery

Yes and it seems to happen arbitrarily as well. I started posting here years because I liked the imageboard format, then slowly day by day I see stats, stories, articles and opinions that seem to gravitate towards a particular ideology, and next thing you know you're a Nazi. If I had joined reddit it might have gone the other way.

do exactly what the graphic tells you and go back to tumblr you fucking normans

there is an us vs them, a clear one, and we didnt started,they did, they started years ago when we all were just kids and they rejected us because we were "didefernt", they started it trough years and years of bullying, abuse and rejection, and now that some of us are snaping and fithing back they go and play the victim, fuck them, fuck them all, i really wish a lot of more people die, including me at some point

Nobody goes through high school unscathed. There's boy-on-boy bullying, girl-on-girl bullying and every other kind you can image.

The fact that you ignore all this and focus on being rejected by girls shows a very naive understanding and a strong lack of empathy. This is probably why you drank the kool aid, because you're gullible.

And I don't mean this in an insulting way, I'm honestly trying to tell you that other people suffer through this kind of stuff. We were all kids back then, most them grew up a lot earlier than we did and moved on.

>Nobody goes through high school unscathed
first bullying and rejection dont starts in high school, it starts way earlier, sometimes as soon as kinder, and maybe we all went trough something during HS, but dont fucking pretend we all get the same treatment, some of us get it worse, i doubt everybody can tell that during highschool they once get beat up and some dude whose name you barely knew broke your nose, just because, that you never get a GF and that you didnt go to prom because no one wanted to go with you, that you spend all your weekends alone playing old video games and watching old sci fi and horror movies because you didnt get anyone to hang out with. some of us get it worse, way worse than others out there, and it wasnt an act of god, it was just bad luck, people did this to us, they did terrible things to us and take away a lot from us, and now that everything is said and done they say we cant even bitch or cry about it, they even want to take from us, we are supouse to eat shit and like it, well fuck that all i say, and fuck you too pal

>focus on being rejected by girls
guys reject me too, like as friends. no homo.

I get all that but it's less to do with sex and more to do with physical appearance. Imagine being an ugly girl in school. Why not move on now? Those people have realised that they were bullies because they themselves were insecure or whatever, and needed to take it out on someone.

You're basing your world view on how kids behave.

>Old sci-fi horror movies.

Recommend me some. Seen The Thing/Apocalypse series, some Yuzna stuff and the really mainstream ones (Alien and whatnot)

>Now that I have a girlfriend all that anger is gone
kek

Sexual frustration is real. It literally makes you go insane, because only an insane person would think that females are out to get you.

i miss a coma there they were sci fi and horror films, i really like the puppet master saga and wish master too,i honestly like horror more than sci fi

True, but with this system in place there's always going to be bunch of incels ready to blow shit up and that's what these feminists and roasties are defending. We either get monogamy or we get radicals, there's no in betweens here and everything else is just roasties lying and trying to deceit good goys to defend their interests.

I personally lean more toward the horror side of things too, but I enjoy the sci-fi element for the creativity it allows. Sick of watching generic murderous guy(s) slaughter a bunch of randoms one by one. That and overly predictable set-ups and whatnot

>those people have realised that they were bullies because they themselves were insecure or whatever, and needed to take it out on someone.
well how terrible for them, im so sorry they didnt get told they were fucking special everyday so they have to take it on other people whose life werent exactly perfect neither and that didnt have incredible self steem either, i guess is okay they stole my shoes and throw them to a ditch so i have to go home barefoot because they were so sad on the inside, im fucking glad they could forgive themselves for all the horrible and mean things they did to other people just because they fell like it, im so fucking happy for them
>You're basing your world view on how kids behave.
no i just realize early in life that life is not fair, and that i wasnt exactly a winner, i realize early in life that i was probably never going to be happy and that life sucks, is barely worth living it
>Why not move on now?
im tired of that, im tired of trying to be better and hope that things get better just to be proven wrong, im tired of trying to get a GF, tired of trying to get frinds or a decent job, im tired of trying to be happy, as they say im just too tired, that kind of tired sleep wont fix

Sounds like you have a great life user good for you.
Spare a thought for those of us less fortunate who are easy targets for Stacey and her friends.

i get what you mean, slasher films were ok back in the 80, it was a thing of its time, but you can just do that past the 90, is just lazy, past the 90 and into the 200 i like asian horror mostly, if you are looking for good old sci fi you should watch solaris and stalker, both of them are really werid, brazil is also a good movie, and i really liked gataca, for a time i felt really identified and even inspired by its main character, that was a long time ago though

Social skills can't be learned when you are too old, especially in the times of #metoo.

Is it a good deal to replace fear with doubt and/or uncertainty? It's just a matter of time till she leaves you for someone better or you find out the truth about her wild sexual past.

That's interesting, do you have any evidence?

If you're autistic I'll believe that, but you can't claim that you personally cannot learn them unless you've practised i.e. gone and tried to integrate.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that people here have tunnel vision. That's all you see when you look at a person. It's pretty sad to be honest.

Jow Forums isn't misogynistic because it doesn't have an ideaology. Stop being retarded. Jow Forums and Jow Forums was made to protect unpopular views or outcasts. Ones that are literally banned from public discussion and all of the websites above Jow Forums in pic related. You're clearly not a robot and we're never one.

>integrate with people who don't want you
Yeah not gonna happen

>For the last few years I've been deep into the misogynistic ideology of Jow Forums,
Then you'll know to get off our fucking board you fucking normalfag.
You were able to move on because you became a fucking soulless normalfag or you grew chad looks or your brain chemistry developed properly. It isn't the same for the rest of us.
true which is why if women wanted this to all go away they would date us. But they whine about misogyny, power, patriarchy, and that we don't 'deserve' sex, so it won't go away.

>misogynistic ideology
it isn't

Ugly girls don't get bullied. Chad still has sex with them and she can just wear make up. Please leave normie. You're back at larping

This post is worthless. You've said nothing of value. Keep doing this, keep posting the same shit every day about normies and robots and maybe one day things will get better for you. Pathetic.

>Ugly girls don't get bullied.
False.
But they still get dick

I've done that a lot. Different times, in different ways and with different people and at best I could just have acquaintances for a short time.

>true which is why if women wanted this to all go away they would date us. But they whine about misogyny, power, patriarchy, and that we don't 'deserve' sex, so it won't go away.
I'm really gonna beat this drum because you people don't seem to get it. Your entire understanding of the world is based on a few tiny online circles composed of extreme views.

Can you blame people for not wanting to bother with you? Your argument is basically "I'm weird and socially awkward and possibly ugly and nobody wants to fuck me!"

I'll agree with you that confirmation bias is rampant in isolated fringe groups that the internet has made more possible. But let's not pretend it's only young kids with limited experience that are being affected by today's social and cultural norms. Let's not forget the droves of disillusioned adult men that have been through enough marriages to finally learn the hard way that something is amiss. There's definitely a slant against men in a big way. I wouldn't say that women don't suffer in their own way, but I also wouldn't say you could say is qualitatively the same. Pay gap is a myth, rape occurs just like any other random misfortune befalls people (and its incidence is generally overestimated), it's just a more woman-centered issue. Domestic violence is usually the result of poor selection and boundaries in women, though I wouldn't say there's a grand narrative encouraging men to abuse women. There is however a collection of narratives that chastises and denigrates a man that doesn't completely self-sacrifice and uphold traditional male traits for a woman who has let go of all standards and self-control and it is even further enforced by the institution. So it's good that you're keeping a level head about this but the the middle of two extremes is not always where the truth lies.

This is a new level of shifting the goal posts. It's more like shifting the goal to a completely different field.

Well I mean they do, but not on looks unless it's by other girls which is overall pointless

It is us vs them. It isnt right and ultimately its what the jews want bit at the end of the day we'll never beat the deep state. Feminists and sluts are whats making me depressed everyday so Im gona fight them.

>Genetic lottery
Fucking lol

The pay gap is a myth but. Debunked by economists on all sides. The unfairness is dating, cock carousel, chad vs betas, girls 'finding themselves, gender quotas, DE-mascinlation of society are all real

Not that guy, but care to elaborate?

It's not shifting goal post when you bring up outliers.

>boo hoo I'm 5 feet why can't I get into the NBA?

For 99% of you, I'm willing to bet you're just angry because of things that happened in the past, and don't wanna move on.

For the 1% of you that actually screwed (no potential for a good life) honestly tell me what the fuck you expect from society?

The OP was specifically talking about the general state of affairs, not how a guy with a deformed face and a 2 inch penis can't get laid.

So you're happy devoting your time fighting less than 0.0001% of the female population (third wave feminists). The rest don't care.

Lol youre wasting you time. The damage has already been done. You cant un do an entire generations misery. This what you wanted for young men.

Im really sorry, I truly am but more Toronto and more elliot rodgers are going to occur.

The only way to prevent it is white sharia and government mandated gfs.

I'm sure your sources are completely unbiased and consider all the data available and you're 100% correct and everyone else is wrong.

The majority of women are feminists you naive liar. And yes I am. Even if they dont spout the rhetoric they all take advantage of it happily.

Keep doing your thing then. Complaining online is surely the way to achieve happiness.

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While not everyone may dye their hair and rant all day about rape culture, that doesn't mean they don't agree with the sentiments of the movement and aren't infected by its content.

kek sure, they still benefit from the system in place and have no interest to be willingly put in their place.

I dont know who sent you here or whether your just some scared shirtless femo journalist trying to use some motherly instinct to try and sort this problem out but you are wasting your time.

Like I said this isnt a joke anymore, we've had enough. Youve pushed the wrong group into a corner. Male anger is extremly dangerous.

Maybe instead of demanding men understand women more you women take a step back and respect us. It was only a small while ago in the grand scheme of things men chose their wives and were legally allowed to beat them. Take head.

Because that's what this board is litteraly about. You clearly don't belong here nor do you know what you're talking about. You can't generalize a whole board. What brings Jow Forums together is that there are lonely virgins. Not that they hate women. Not every robot hates women so it can't be all "misogynistic". Same with Jow Forums, what makes it is that they are "politically incorrect" someway. Not that they all love Nazism

>more Toronto and more elliot rodgers are going to occur.
good, at elast we will no be bored
>white sharia and government mandated gfs.
fuck that shit, western society doesnt deserve to eb saved, just let us all die in a pool of our poison and let the chinese take over or something, they are not better than us but who the hell cares, everyone is an asshole, let someone else have the chance to ruin everything

>achiving happiness
Whats is happiness? Why do you assume I want to be happy? See you wanker normies haven't got a fucking clue.

And now youse are paying for it. Im sorry but 99% of incels arent fat neckeards in basements. We're everywhere, employed, armed, trained, motivated, fit, even good looking. You wont see it coming. Its not a corindated thing its just a natural reaction to the piss poor state of affairs we've been dealt. We arent just going to sit back and accept it.

this is true i not hate women particulary, i hate almost everybody, and some people here dont hate anyone somehow, the only thing that conects us is our sad little pathetic lives

>achieve happiness.
most of us here give up on that a long time ago, it was probably never a real option for some us anyway

> surrounding themselves only with information that fits their narrative
Not talking about relationships because I don't care but I was always got shit on in work. My parents and other normals always told me thing about working and having a job and literally none of it happened with me but the opposite. It is like I live in a parallel dimension where I read or watch things every day that never happened to me and people tell me I got it wrong. I mean what the fuck, it is like gaslighting.

As a so called 'stacey' this is very disturbing to read. Its not like its dangerous enough with everything in the world but now I legit have watch out next time I reject a guy or maybe quit my job when that weird guy from IT tries to hit on me again.

Few people understand their success and most people have a tendency to overestimate the impact of their actions on a positive outcome. There's probably supplemental factors in their life they're not considering because not only does instructing others in the "right way" make them less worried about unfairness in the universe but it also bolsters their own sense that they're making all the right decisions.

you are losing your time, this will blow up and we will all get hit, even us robots, do you think a robot can identify another robot walking down the street?no fucking way, some of us are going to die too, the diference is we are ok with it,we are burning everything down, including us

You really are a fucking Stacy. Maybe that 'weird guy in IT' just says hi because he has to stand around waiting for some stupid software package to install. But I guess that makes him 'weird' because he's not good looking or some shit.

Get your head out of your ass. You're antagonising people you don't even know and you pretend to be the victim.

>In reality both men and women are sometimes victim sometimes culprit
No, fuck off. I didn't learn about the bullshit women pull from the internet, I learned it irl, not just myself but with friends as well. Women are absolute garbage people through and through. There is not one redeeming thing about them outside a wet hole.

Why not? Women are all of those and more, yet they have no problems. It#s a bullshit system and low men get completely shafted while low women still succeed. Can you blame people for being pissed at this?

in all of this madness there is one truth that cannot be disputed - men are, on average, superior in every skill important for society

I hate this fucking wah wah its not my fault girls wont touch me bullshit. They'll blame anything but themselves and """genetic lottery""" is a pretty funny excuse

>be a faggot
>hate normalfags because I've had a lot of people be dicks to me throughout my life, most people ignored me but still
>mostly hate them due to the shitty culture they have and how shallow it all is
>now I'm always assumed to be an incel who hates women and that's the reason I dont like most people when really I'm a volcel who wants to be left alone
(((Suffering))))

>skin/eye/hair color, dick size, height, balding, beard growth, bodily proportions and much more you are genetically locked into
>lol who cares 'I' didn't get screwed over so I don't want to hear you complain about it

>But I guess that makes him 'weird' because he's not good looking or some shit.

Well maybe that is the case. I dont need some loser to stand around me while he mansplains to me how my software updates. Just install it then leave.

I wonder who could be behind this post???
Both men and women suffer from losing the genetic lottery only men have it worst due to the 20/80 rule

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>mansplains
maybe be a bit more subtle with your shitposting

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Sorry but they do. It was how it was in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guys and girls bully girls.

why do you pussy addicts always ignore the laws that discriminate against men and the injustice in the family court? my friend has the same mentally after seeing his wife send him to jail just for yelling at his kids and getting cheated on. you normies have a blindspot and you guys sound like the crazy people.

Gtfo off our board, faggot
Back to >/lgbt/

Nice bait faggot. Or maybe you're just completely retarded. He's a loser for some reason. I guess because you said so. And him doing his job is mansplaining? You complained about him 'hitting on you', but now its just explaining how an installation works.

Take it from someone who works in IT. When you don't explain the process for software installed from a batch script, the clients don't know how to tell if it's ready or how to tell if something has gone wrong.

Besides, shit can take time to install or work or whatever is going on, so maybe hes trying to fill dead air. Maybe you don't like it, but I guarantee you he sure as fuck doesn't either. Especially when dealing with a bitch roastie like you

Grow up faggots. If you actually want people other than autistic robots to like you then you're going to need to pull yourself out of this moody, self victimization, cry baby, bitchy faggot phase.

Thanks for your input Chad, now leave and never return.

>If you actually want people other than autistic robots to like you
and if we dont want that?some of us dont give a fuck anymore,we give up on all those silly dreams of being loved and happy, at this point in my life i just sit at home and brood

THAT'S YOUR ADVICE? "JUST" IMPROVE YOUR SOCIAL SKILLS? WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT, IT'S SO SIMPLE. I'LL SMILE MORE AND MAKE EYE CONTACT AND THINK OF INTERESTING CONVERSATIONAL TOPICS AND IT WILL DEFINITELY RESULT IN A WOMAN DATING A 24 YEAR OLD UNEMPLOYED LOSER WHO LIVES WITH HIS MOTHER. WHY WOULDN'T IT AFTER ALL, THIS IS GRADE A ADVICE. I DEFINITELY WON'T GET TO WATCH MY ALL TIME FAVORITE FILM "WATCH A WOMAN YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR THINK OF THE POLITEST WAY TO TELL YOU YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR HER".

Sounds literally like a Boomer parody. Nice bait.

>It was only a small while ago in the grand scheme of things men chose their wives and were legally allowed to beat them.
Are you aware of the concept of thesis-antithesis-synthesis? So women pushed back against what you mention here, and have taken the opposing extreme view.

Maybe in 20 years things will finally come to a sensible middle ground.

>Because that's what this board is litteraly about.
>You can't generalize a whole board

When you're so far down the rabbit hole you contradict yourself in the same paragraph.

If you want to be unhappy then you're doing it right. Well done.

Yes you're right that it's good to get both sides of the story but most people here don't go anywhere else for their information, unlike you.

>yet they have no problems
>men are never culprits
This is objectively wrong and the fact that you can't see it means you're mentally 15 or autistic. I mean that in the technical sense, it's one of the signs of developmental disorder.

Whatever makes you feel better buddy - you need this kind of thinking because you have nothing else going on for you. I mean, that's what I used to tell myself when all the girls on my course were getting better grades than me.

Confirmation bias. There is injustice all around in the courts of law, but when it goes in favour of the man you turn a blind eye.

My advice is to truly consider all views and try to understand why things are the way they are instead of shutting yourself into your safe space (let's be honest, this is a safe space) full of bias and being defeatist about it.

Haha, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Lazy kids with their fake excuses like "mental illness". When will manchildren grow up?

>misogynistic ideology of Jow Forums
Despite all the roastie posts and even the very rare femgore threads on here, I have not once felt unwelcome. Women just need to stop being sensitive cunts and start developing actual personalities and interests besides "partying and getting fucked", then we might finally earn respect.

>this is a safe space
there is nothing safe about Jow Forums, you are using the term safe space wrong

The entire mainstream left sides with that shit and the mainstream right doesn't really dare to oppose it.

100% of females benefit from the feminists and share their views, they just aren't vocal about it. Additionally, the % of actual feminists is considerably higher that what you suggest.

>LE HORSESHOE
Fuck off norman

You are shielding yourself from opposing views instead of engaging them.

Yeah, and african starving kids should just grow out of their "cry baby, bitchy faggot" phase and they'll instantly get food.

Please explain this horseshoe thing to me.

Basically a retarded idea that
>you're just like people who you criticize lel
usually proposed by retards who don't understand that people can act outraged for both justifiable and non-justifiable reasons

THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. SO OK, FIRST UP WE'VE GOT "CONSIDER ALL VIEWS AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE". ON MY END IT APPEARS THAT WOMEN DON'T WANT ME AND BARRING SOME SPONTANEOUS WINDFALL WILL CONTINUE NOT TO WANT ME AND I FIND THIS TO BE DEPRESSING AND HURTFUL TO MY SELF ESTEEM AND GENERALLY UNPLEASANT TO THINK ABOUT. IN ADDITION IT MAKES ME THINK THAT WOMEN ARE SHALLOW AND CARE PRIMARILY ABOUT MONEY, SOCIAL STATUS, AND PHYSICAL APPEARANCE INSTEAD OF INTELLECT OR KINDNESS. AS YOU HAVE ADROITLY POINTED OUT THERE ARE OTHER VIEWS TOO. FROM THE WOMAN'S POINT OF VIEW SHE PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO GET SADDLED WITH A LOSER, WANTS HER BOYFRIEND TO BE ABLE TO BUY HER GIFTS AND TAKE HER OUT TO EAT AND POTENTIALLY SUPPORT A FAMILY. SHE WANTS SOMEONE WHO LOOKS GOOD BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD TO LOOK AT GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE, AND IT MAKES HER FEEL IMPORTANT AND DESIRABLE. SHE PROBABLY DOESN'T THINK OF HERSELF AS A SHALLOW APPEARANCES OBSESSED CLASSIST, SHE PROBABLY THINKS OF HERSELF AS A PROUD DISCERNING WOMAN WHO KNOWS HER VALUE AND IS UNWILLING TO SUBJECT HERSELF TO THE "MISERY" THAT ENTAILS FROM DATING A LOSER LIKE ME. MY COMPLAINTS COME OFF AS ME TELLING THEM THAT THEY HAVE NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO ACCEPT ME, WHICH OBVIOUSLY ABROGATES THEIR RIGHT TO SELF SELECT A MATE. ADDITIONALLY WOMEN TYPICALLY SEE THIS AS ME FEELING ENTITLED TO SEX BECAUSE THEY ASSUME THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WOULD WANT A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP. THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE NORMIE/ CHAD OPINION WHICH IS THAT THIS DISCERNMENT IS LARGELY JUST AND REASONABLE. FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE LOSERS LIKE ME BRING THEIR OWN RUIN DOWN UPON THEMSELVES BY NOT COMMITTING SUFFICIENT EFFORT TO SELF IMPROVEMENT, NOT BEING OPTIMISTIC ENOUGH, OR NOT DEVELOPING THE PROPER SOCIAL SKILLS. IF WOMEN DON'T WANT BOTTOM OF THE BARREL GARBAGE LIKE ME THEN I SHOULD PULL MYSELF UP BY BOOTSTRAPS AND IMPROVE MY PHYSICAL, SOCIAL, AND FINANCIAL SITUATION UNTIL I DO. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY "ALL VIEWS"?

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You are right honestly. The thing is the actual robots, the ones that existed 7or 8 years ago, where people whi understood this. This was a good place for discussion and general interaction. We were all still losers back then but it dint matter. Now we have entitled faggots from reddit know as incels, you know the rest. Pol and general envirnment of irl has reflected this.

All incels should kys themselves. All normalniggers should leave. Only true robots should remain. I want my board back.

Things are so divisive now you've got to pick a side in this "war". There's nowhere that is disconnected from this bullshit.

That's actually quite a balanced point of view.

I dont know about irl because i dont interact with people but the chinz has always been about being edgy. Now we have retards who take things way too seriously. These are incel losers for you Just disagree and b8 these faggots

All robots are incels.

You're right this board only causes a distorted view of the world and especially women. People who post here if they even got a gf would immediately be paranoid that she is cheating for every little thing she did.

Not to mention the insane set of standards that guys here think they must have to attract any female.

100% this. I drop by here to observe and watch, sometimes guiding an user or two when I drop by.

But what this user says is true. R9K is nothing but an Eco chamber. You guys are looking for advice and asking what to do from other robots and incels. Which is retarded. It's like getting swimming advice from someone who doesn't know how to swim. And of course when it doesn't work out, you end up slowly blaming others rather than yourself.

Why?

Because you tried. You did your best. You said the right things, did the actions you were told to do and it didn't work. You did everything right! So you can't be wrong. It's the women who are wrong.

So you refuse to Improve yourself. Because "it doesn't work". Because when you fail it hurts to much to try again. So instead you wallow here becoming more and more butter, giving advice to new robots trying to improve their lives, which just keeps the cycle going. You take from this echo chamber then feed back into it. You are the problem.

So break the fucking cycle.

"Chad" gets the girl because he makes them feel comfortable around him. He makes them feel like they can be themselves. Like they don't have to be "on" for him and can just relax. This is the truth of the matter.

Chad also has value. Maybe Chad can cook for his women. Maybe he can play her guitar. Maybe he can fix cars, or write poems, or build a shelf. What can you do robot? Tell her you'll love her? Chad can do that and engrave his name and hers into the fresh nightstand he made for her.

You can deny this all you want. You can rage against it, cherry pick examples that suit your narrative, but at the end of the day you know this is the truth.

And you can choose to fix yourself. To stop denying reality and slowly build yourself into something that people, not just women, would like. Become someone who people want to be around.


Or you can go to bed forever. Deny reality and stay bitter.


It's your choice: youtu.be/Brdx7kmxx2I

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>People who post here if they even got a gf would immediately be paranoid that she is cheating for every little thing she did.
That's called being realistic. What#s the phrase "She is never yours, it is only your turn" or something along those lines. This perfectly describes women, they have no concept of loyalty or respect.