Im 27 and still making minimum wage...

Im 27 and still making minimum wage. What is a good programming language or 2 that I can learn to get a job with without having to get a CS degree?

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JavaScript. Going to be hard to get a job though, the junior market is flooded with people. You need connections to get a job. Even with a CS degree it can be difficult.

Only JS by itself or should I know HTML/CSS and maybe php?

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sure, some HTML and CSS as well, they aren't programming languages though. The backend language depends on where you live, see what is popular in job ads.

None because you cannot get a programming job without a degree no matter what you know.

is this true? Is it really impossible?

It ain't 2003 anymore buddy. Even the coding camps are shutting down because they can't place their graduates.

>i am 27 and still making minimum wage

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both Tesla and Google don't care about degrees you idiot. colleges are becoming worthless thanks to women and they rather hire people with a portfolio in coding.

Don't listion to this level 98 cock smoking faglord.

It's very simple:
If there's a huge demand for skills, they will get filled and saturated.

Rather than following a trend and ending up knowing some language everyone else uses, pick up the language everyone HATES. Learn languages that are still functionally used, but everyone avoids it because it's not widely adopted.

FORTRAN programs are used by CERN scientists as well as many government organizations. They still need people to improve, work around, or fix the old architecture built back in the day since its cheaper than rebuilding it with newer code that runs at a higher level.

Just a thought.
-Japh

Disable your javascript and say that.

JavaScript for sure (and this kinda implies basic familiarity with CSS/HTML). JS by itself is enough but if you want to learn another one there are a lot of options. There's still a lot of PHP out there. I like Python. The guy who said looking at local job listings is right, too.

Knowing your way around Linux and a command line is a bug plus. I don't know how to learn this except through experience, ie. force yourself to use a terminal environment and figure out how to do stuff in it.

Knowing how to use version control is another huge plus. Using git or svn on your baby learning projects will be confusing and feel like overkill but it's vital in any serious job.

A degree would help but you don't need one. The really hard part is just getting a foot in the door. There's no general method, you just gotta hustle: tell people you're looking for a job, look for tech meetups and talk to people, spam job applications, etc. Contributing to open source will look really good to some employers (others will just ignore it). If you're a total beginner that's a pretty high bar but it's a good goal to work toward.

Actually, the really really hard part is motivation. IDK how hectic your life is (minimum wage is rough). For learning just try to make dumb stuff that's useful or fun for you; don't worry if it's novel or important, the point is to learn how to do it yourself. And try not to worry when you feel stupid or overwhelmed, that's normal. I've been doing this for a while, I work with people who've been in the industry for 30, 40+ years... we all feel like that, still.

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This is nice thinking. Practically though there's a reason no one uses COLBOL unless they have to because it's annoying as fuck to program anything in. OP could functionally learn JavaScript in half the time it would take him to figure out Hello World in Colbol.

And at the end of the day, yes the field is rapidly growing and has a rapid influx of people entering it every day. But the ones in it are still paid very well. Why? If there's more supply than there is demand than the price of a good programmer should go down but they don't. Because even though there's such a rapid influx, there is an increasingly rapid demand. Every single organization of any moderate size needs one and larger organizations will need a hundred times more to compete. If OP tries it and learns it and sucks then he could set his salary expectations lower than the rest if the field and find something and he'd still be making more than minimum wage.

To OP, I hope you do really try because honestly I don't think you will. I've met dozens of people who "wanted to learn programming" and gave up after a few hours. You need to really focus when you learn it because it is about thinking logically. You won't learn it if you're not legitimately interested in learning it. And you won't be legitimately interested if you're just throwing ideas out there to make money.

Is c++ a good option? You seem to know a lot.

>Going into programming solely for money
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You're past 25
You can't learn new languages programming or otherwise
You've dun goofed

>Learn C#
>Get job in healthcare
>Quit job
>Get job in finance
>Quit job
>Keep bouncing between these industries forever

You don't even need to be good

2 different anons. Yes C++ is anice language but I think you're stressing too much about that. A lot of beginners have the misunderstanding that the language you choose is vitally important. They'll list 6 different C-based language on their resume as if it's like being fluent in Chinese and Russian.

The reality is all modern programming languages share the same fundamental concepts. If you're very well-versed in one then you can pick up another in a couple days. The biggest roadblock is often just syntactical which just requires some tedium to overcome.

What I'm meaning to say is just choose one and learn and go. In my opinion I think Python is simple to use for begininners and I think Java is good for beginners to pick up good programming fundamentals but whichever one you like using the most is the right answer. Go do all the tutorials you can, read all the documentation you can, watch videos, and then ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING YOU THINK IS COOL. Building something you want to build is how you actually enjoy it and learn. It doesn't have to be a crazy phone app. It can be a dumb program that plays rock paper scissors or asks you to guess a number between 1-100. Do shit like that for fun and you'll learn fast.

>going into programming solely for money
>posts video about why you should get into programming solely for money
What did he mean by this?

>I am 22 and have yet to work at all

Is learning web dev languages still viable even though there are so many "do it yourself" sites out there like wix and squarespace? Do companies still have a need for people to know javascript and the like?

thanks

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I work as a front end developer without a degree and there are 3 invitations still pending on my LinkedIn from yesterday's evening. I'm not junior though.

As far as Im aware the easiest type of programming type of job is front end web developer. For that HTML, CSS, JavaScript and WordPress would be enough
Though personaly I hate programming, dont know how can some people actually enjoy doing it.

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That's crap. There are enough students who started new shit past 25. Many males only got their highschool degrees with 24/25.