Ketogenic Diet

Carb loading is good if you exercise, also a good way of getting dietary fiber if you eat stuff like oats and beans for carbs. The principle behind it is good but limiting yourself to 20g carbs isn't doing you much good if you like to stay active.

No a diet high in sugar and other processed carbohydrates will do a much better job of that.

I work very closely with my doctor when I start training a new fatty. From bloodwork and diagnosis. Been seeing him since he started his practice when I was a pudgy little fat bastard 13 year old.

He watched me lose the weight all the while telling me a high fat diet and fasting would kill me. He ate crow when I leaned out and put on serious gains and my bloodwork was better than his dietician marathon running wife.

He told me when he gave my fat cunt coworker a physical and diagnosed her with type 2 diabetes that if there was anyone that definitely should fast and eat fat it was her. He ate crow when she lost the weight and reversed her diabetes.

The second fatty was my 450lb friend who he said "...we'll see..." when his diabetes completely reversed while he was still 300lbs my doc was on board.

He told me his whole family are now /keto/ + /fast/ and they've all lost weight and improved all their health markers.

What are your opinions on avarage sized humans doing Keto, to either maintain, gain some muscle or lose a little bit of weight?

Also what’s the best way to consume a tablespoon of MCT oil daily, just a shot of it? Or mixed in with some kind of beverage, I do it in my coffee on weekends but not sure what to do during the week because I fast Monday - Friday.

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Keto is good for a quick weight loss
It's pretty much the worst diet to build muscle, though.I'm not sure whether vegan diet is worse

>What are your opinions on avarage sized humans doing Keto
>to either maintain
I've been at my current composition for 10 years. I count 100-140g of protein per day. I don't track calories are carbs. I eat only whole foods and I'm in clinically confirmed ketosis. I fast 1 day a week, 2 if my scale trends upwards.

>gain some muscle or lose a little bit of weight?
Either or its great too. Putting on mass is a bit tricky and sluggish because of reduced IGF-1 signalling. If you want to put on GAINS then switch to a classic bodybuilding diet to bulk, bulk include periodic fasting to control fat gain.

>Also what’s the best way to consume a tablespoon of MCT oil daily, just a shot of it? Or mixed in with some kind of beverage, I do it in my coffee on weekends but not sure what to do during the week because I fast Monday - Friday.
I do NOT on my salads.

If you're fasting you can still drink black morning coffee or tea irrespective of what those mouth breathing retards over in /fast/ say. Drink up.

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>I do NOT on my salads.
I do MCT on my salads.

You should add mayo on the bacon, not healthy enough. BECAUSE FAT IS HEALTHY AMIRITE GUYZ LOL FAT DOESNT MAKE YOU FAT

Also. You're fasting too much dude.

I LOVE fasting. I use it all the time to help train normies. But you want to put on muscle.

Fast two non-consecutive days per week while eating an exclusively whole foods diet on feeding days in a 6 or 8 hour window. If you want, you can add in one more day per week for a total of three AS LONG AS you continue to make training progress in the gym.

I know you like seeing those scale numbers drop. But trust me. Get that muscle now.

Worked great when you're obese. Not so amazing when you get down to overweight.

Probably pointless at normal weight.

>soybean oil

meme

Limited conversion of fructose into fatty acids vs Literal fatty acids.

Also ignore the fact that excess dietary fatty acids inhibit testosterone secretion, you wouldn't want a poor goy to retain an healthy level of test.

Thank you Shlomo.

Mine only contains canola oil though. Alternatively you could add 2-3 teaspoons of HEALHTY BUTTER, because fat doesn't clog arteries guys !

Shit I meant TABLESPOO- FUCK I MEANT CUPS. 2-3 CUPS OF HEALTHY BUTTER

Really good idea, thanks for all the information. I usually do a salad to break my fast so I’m gonna incorporate it that way.

What’s your favorite “cheat meal”, here’s mines 2g net per cookie

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>shill posts the same pic as the other thread he tried to shill the other day

Kek, almost not obvious.

Also. I know this breakfast is presented as "ketogenic" because "U-U-ULTRA LOW CARB"

But I can guarantee you that if you at that meal as-is, your blood sugar will go through the roof and your ketone levels would drop and need to rebound.

I've eaten very similar "keto meals" and my blood sugar skyrocketed, indicating gluconeogenesis (a.k.a 'wasted protein and my ketone levels steadily dropped over a four hour period before stabilising and returning to normal ~16hours later.

Now add in a some fibrous veg. And sure, it might have 30 or 40 g of total carbs and 20g fiber, but my blood glucose won't go anywhere near as high and most importantly, my ketone levels don't sag.

>“cheat meal”
About once a month I put a package of these on my salad.

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hey, there is 10g of greens here, i must be healthy as fuck right?

so lets see if i got this,, you get 140g of protein per day, you fast once a week and you still gain weight? are you eating like pure butter or something like that? because i eat 150g of protein, 100g of fats and 300g of carbs to mantain my weight

those fucking nails lad

For flavor

>still gain weight.
I like keep myself where I'm at, at 195lbs. I log my weight every morning and keep a 7 day moving average. When the moving average hits 198 I'll add in an two extra days of fasting. And that usually pushes the average back down.

I aim for between 100 and 140. And I'd say I average 130. And it's not by scale weight.
Here's how I do it. Let's see I had about six eggs for breakfast and two on my salad, 8 x7 is 60 and the ham for breakfast was about half my palm so thats about 10 grams, and these two chicken thighs are palm sized, so that's another 40. 60, 40 and 10 is 110. Ok. Made it today.

That fucking Google image search, lad

In clearer phrasing im aiming for a minimum. Not a target.

Beyond the rough guesstimations I track nothing else except to occassionally check ketone presence in per and random spot checking with a ketone meter ~twice a month out of habit.

>ketone presence in per
Fucking android
Ketone presence in pee. PER is not a bad fucking word.

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Lost 25 lbs in under two months.

keto is retarded for anyone.

My husband has intractable seizures. Every seizure control med he was ever put on, at best, reduced the frequency by half. He was still having between 30-50 seizures a year.

>he starts dating me
>I'm /keto/ and /fast/ for 3 years at this point.
>We infrequently eat out on dates and I always invite him and his mother over for dinner
>about 6 months into dating he says to his mom while we were watching ADV
>"I think I've been having fewer seizures"
>tell them its because he's been eating halfway keto.
>find out the seizure specialists he's been seeing since he was like 11 years old never once told them diet could improve his condition.
>shortly after that he moves in with me and goes full keto. In that time he's had only one minor absence seizure whole we were vacationing in Italy and eating pasta pasta pasta.

But you're right. No one should be keto.

No, it's permanently fucking your diet and health long term. Do some serious digging amd not meme digging.

Keto is short term and shouldn't be a long term goal. Plan to go back to a proper diet.

You realize theres different levels of keto right?

And every one of the studies showing poor sustainability, poor growth, low body weight and even heart stress are all in regards to the clinical keto 4:1 or 3:1 diets right?

This clinical keto is comprised of 87-93% fat, balance of protein, and only incidental carbs like: "the undestroyed 1 gram of glucose in the cow liver you just ate"

Dietary keto is something entirely fucking different and shows none of those hallmarks.

Why do people lie about vegetable oil being unhealthy? Vegetable oil is soybean oil and soybean oil is one of the three oils doctors recommend (olive, canola, soybean).

canola oil is unhealthy

All oil is pretty unhealthy, it's about minimalising it. People flip their shit over vegetable oil because you can't use it at high heats or it can build trans fats.

>it's about minimalising it
nobody is talking about using lots of oil. I eat 2 tablespoons max.

great for endurance
Not so great for quick high intensity movements

this guy gets it. also, keto is rejuvenating, since it reduces oxidative stress, overall insulin, GREATLY reduces glication/inflamation, gives body a range of fatty acids and fat-soluble BACs. Just don't forget to feed your gut biome some fiber.

t. sugar addict

>reduced inflammation
My favorite keto meme. Elevated blood lipids are inherently inflammatory as fuck, on of the worst things you can do to your body.

>thinks butter is literally travels through blood vessels in chunks, not bound by lipoproteins
what are you, 15?

>elevated blood lipids
tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. BL decrease on keto, HDL goes up, LDLb does down. Try again

No they don't, they usually go up. If not that's literally always as a result of weight loss. It's a retarded diet, first post summed it up best .

long fasts + OMAD keto is the absolute top tier for losing fat. 50lbs down in two months and strength is going up.

papers plz

You go ahead, you're the one claiming shit first. Find something that 1. doesn't solely rely on weight loss 2. doesn't have an utter shit control group and 3. didn't have an utter shit diet before intervention.

Literally no case study I’m aware of have ever shown increasing sugar intake also increases LDL cholesterol. Actually seen the opposite where a higher carb intake is associated with a lot less cardiovascular disease.

Losing 150pounds + REVERSES diabetes? Nah can’t be. Gotta be Thor literal shit diet I’m eating. Also nice larp on the blood tests. Post pic or didn’t happen

I did it for about a month.
Messed up half way through by drinking some soda labeled as diet that was actually filled with carbs.
Quit the second time carb flu hit me, just didn't want to go through that shit again

I should add, I lost 4 lbs a week, so it was pretty awesome.
But I'd rather just diet with a standard high protein diet than feel like death again

I will, thank you. I'm in a search, thought keto is an answer, guess I was wrong.

Now this is bullshit. Carbs increase atherogenic LDLb, google it.

Joe Rogan approves of this meal

>LDLb
I love when ketotards come up with a new shitposting term. What shit blog did you read that on?

Dr. Robert Lustig MD
Dr. Peter Attia MD
Both had numeruos lectures with extencive citations.

Jup kinda expected those names. 2 idiots making a living off of stupid shit that's technically not incorrect but misleading as hell. Also MD means doctor of medicine, Dr. Name MD is idiotic.

LDL cholesterol comes in two flavors. Fluffy and Dense. We're only just starting to untangle the roles and implications each type has.

LDLa is the identifier being used for the fluffy type, and LDLb is the identifier for the dense type. The only time I've seen these labels used is in an Indian study on artheschlorosis and some "health blogs"

But fluffy and dense LDL is still on the frontier of cholesterol research. One thing we do know for a fact is that the denser type is much more readily oxidized (like a lot), and oxidation of cholesterol shuts it down and keeps it from performing its function and increasing its binding to artery walls.

>Dr. Name MD is idiotic.
You know Dr. can mean they have a PhD, right...?
That's why we have Dr.'s of Maths, Computer Science, Physics, etc

>nofap thread
>fap addicts shit up thread, screeching that it's bad for you

>fast thread
>food addicts shit up thread, screeching that it's bad for you

>keto thread
>carb addicts shit up thread, screeching that it's bad for you

Is this the state of Jow Forums in the current year?

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All LDL is shit for you, one being somewhat worse than the other is irrelevant. Just one of the newer ploys to get people confused by comparing those types and saying one is better. Compare both to base line.

Yeah but MD is unique to doctor of medicine.

>All LDL is shit for you,
Not necessarily as the research is hinting at. LDL-P tests which differentiate these types of LDL are starting to yield evidence that the density ratio of OLD types is a stronger correlation to artheschlorosis and heart disease than either total cholesterol or its successor the LDL:HDL ratio.

Maybe you can present some data on why they are misleading instead of shitposting? Presenting no counterarguments doesn't make you sound smart.

Total cholesterol is obviously shitty since it's not differentiated.
HDL to LDL ratio is also obviously flawed since it doesn't say anything about the total values of both.

That's why currently all 3 markers are used. A further differentiation between a and b doesn't change the previous findings that LDL should be as low as possible. The numbers I remember are that low density LDL had a 1.31 and high density 1.48 (can't remember exactly what the intervals were), both are shitty.

>doesn't change the previous findings that LDL should be as low as possible
AFAIK high LDL in, for example, young men in strength training is normal and expected, doesn't mean it's always bad.

The findings that old should be as low as possible were discovered before differentiation. And remember that no causal link has been discovered.

As this user points out ldl in bodybuilders usually runs quite high without any of the correlated hardening of the arteries. LDL-P tests of body builders shows low dense LDL counts.

And there's population outliers like the tsutsimi (sp? I think?) People in south america whose LDL is worryingly high and yet heart disease is unheard of in their population. There's other outlier groups who have these wierd numbers and none of the associated risks.

Here again we're starting to see through the differentiation tests that these people have low dense LDL and most of it is the fluffy variety.

Hm haven't heard of that before. It being normal/expected doesn't necessarily mean it's not bad either though. Would need follow-up studies to determine that. Young people in general can get away with a lot of usually bad stuff since the body is still capable of regenerating, cardiovascular health shouldn't start before your 40s anyway.

It's continuously been proven to this year and it's very much causal (even if it's indirectly, doesn't matter).

It doesn't change the fact that these outlier groups existed and absolutely befuddled researchers who had no explanation other than:
> "We dunno about them right now so we'll ignore them"
We've known about these outlier groups for quite a while now who have no adverse effects from high ldl and now we're figuring out why.

I like it for my suicide cuts with Test+Tren+Clen+DNP. 4 weeks to drop to 8% bodyfat.