If you're lifting for aesthetics and you're doing SS instead of P.H.U.L. or P.H.A.T. you're a complete retard

Id argue with you but trips don’t lie

>SS fags can lift 5pl8s but still looks like a soyboy
>brags about it on a chinese image board
>cries himself to sleep for he is still a virgin
>alpha P.H.A.T. looks like a greek god and fucks any woman he wants
>is aware strength won't help him in the 21th century
This sure is a hard decision

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Is this true?

I am currently using lvysaur 448 after coming back to lifting (prev. stats 186 6'1" now 161)

In addition to the compounds, I'm supplementing with tricep and shoulder work. I think I should add cable crunches as well.

Any thoughts?

>implying novices can do 1/2/3/4 in a few months.

Sculpture of laocoon and his sons murdered by sea serpents. It's a even from Homer. Guy looking is basically mirin.

Original comic has a fat chick staring longingly at what I recall as a portrait of Castor and Pollux raping some braphog, iirc.

That's an edited SS so SS won't be as autistic, it's ok for a begginer that doesn't understand any Jow Forums terminology but P.H.A.T. will always be the ultimate routine

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if you can do 1/2/3/4 and are between 10-18 bodyfat percentage you will good objectively, also while spending the minimal time and effort in the gym

if you want to spend the maximum amount of time and effort in the gym and still get out-lifted by novices after years of training go ahead

This is such a generalisation which doesn’t take into account things like insertions, bone structure, fat placements etc

I will switch to an intermediate program when my linear progression gains are tapped out. Likely PHUL because I am limited to 4 days lifting/week.

Here is a good article comparing my current routine to SS/SL:

blog.gyminutesapp.com /2016/09/13/comparing-starting-strength-stronglift-and-lvysaurs-beginner-4-4-8-program/

(space after dot com)

Could you bring any source or evidence in the discussion? Oh wait, they all show the superiority of P.H.A.T., well tough luck amigo

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doing a brosplit is going to change your muscle insertions, unless you super tall you will look good when you can overhead press a plate and deadlift 4 below 15 percent

>If you're lifting for aesthetics, you're a complete retard.
ftfy

what evidence are you looking for? A chest that can bench 2 plates is a chest that can bench 2 plates, doing a bunch of meme exercises to try and hit all muscle angles and unnecessary volume is just wasting your time,

Doubt most of Jow Forums competes

The story of Laocoon is in Vergil's Aeneid. Homer's epics do not have the Trojan Horse story. Laocoon warns the Trojans to beware the Trojan horse.

Equo ne credite, Teucri
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes

Do not believe the horse, Trojans
I fear Greeks, even bearing gifts.

Since he's interfering with the Greeks' plan, Neptune sends the sea serpents to eat him and his children.

In the end you'll progress just as much and you'll look better, boo hoo you spent another 30 minutes in the gym, not like anyone here has anything better to do

Not sure I'd listen to Layne Norton's lifting advice, dude's got a time share in snap city.

you're spending 5 days a week for 1-2hours in the gym compared only spending 30-60mintues 3 times a week and you won't progress, maybe at first you'll make some gains but it will take you years to deadlift 4 plates compared to doing it after a few months on a proper program for natties

That's the most autistic thing I'vre heard, just replace dumbells with full pl8s and you are doing the same thing but covering more muscle, to say you won't progress the same ammount is fucking dumb

What's a good aesthetic routine, i can do at home without needing fancy equipment? all i have is a bench, and squat rack.

This is why i do greskulls.

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you're not going to be benching 50kg dumbbells, a novice after finishing a strenght program will be bigger and stronger than you after years of training

do the pic here

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Ever notice how 99% of guys in the gym who look good are doing brosplits?

And the kid in a hoodie doing low bar squats looks like a fat sack of shit?

What's the next logical step after PHUL if you're doing it as an intermidiate?

>manlytears_benchpresses_10kgdumbbell.jpg

phonefags get out

Whats the matter little man, is the big, scary smartphone too big for your tiny little manlet hands?

There is a study that shows high intensity low volume(HILV) lifting builds more muscle than low intensity high volume(LIHV), but LIHV releases more growth hormone, so releasing more growth hormone from your LIHV workouts should theoretically enhance the muscle building effects of HILV training.

I don't have a spotter for barbell bench press and i can't do deadlifts because my back is really weak atm.

>Not doing both
>making it

you don't need a spotter for benching under 2 plates, if you do the weight's too heavy for you. When you say you can't do deadlifts is it because you're back injured or just weak? if its weak then deadlift

Why not just do SS or SL for strength until linear progression stops then PHUL for hypertrophy?

PHUL vs PPL?

>Tfw stuck using an s7 because I don't want to carry around a god damn phablet despite them being perfect size for my hands but at the same time I hate the S7 because glass backs are a meme
Just end it

That's exactly what I do.
And what's more, the various shoulder exercises I did to be able to lift a 100 lb dumbbell and stabalize blow away simple compound SS lifters.

A hypertrophy routine is the best way to go, if aesthetics are what you want. Higher volume, lower weight results in your body putting more water mass in your limbs, which helps give size.

Looking good in 6 months is easily possible with a hypertrophy routine and noob gains. The improvement will make you feel much better about yourself.

> he doesn’t keep his desktop running archlinux with him at all times for shitposting purposes

virgin detected

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she unironically looks way hotter on the right,

Not him, but my doc said not to deadlift, at least until I fix my shit posture. What can I do instead, even if it's multiple exercises?

You don't jump right into deadlifting lmao4plaet. You start light like anything and use proper form. Good consistent deadlifts, ab work and face pulls will help your shit posture.

How the fuck are you supposed to improve if you don't do anything?

excuses

Back extensions. When you can do 4 sets of 15 reps start doing them with weight.

Planks. When you can hold a plank for 60 seconds start adding weight.

Do side planks. Aim for 60 seconds and start doing sets.

But really, you should probably start deadlifting. Practice with the bar, get the technique down, start doing them for 1x5 and add 2.5kilo every session like in SS.

Deadlifts done correct in terms of technique and loading is probably one of the best things you can do for your back.

I've been going to the gym since March 1st 2018 and this is my progress right now. Have been doing PHUL. Not bullshitting.

Lifting for aesthetics and strength, 5'9 182lbs.

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>How the fuck are you supposed to improve if you don't do anything?
There is no single mandatory exercise in bodybuilding. Yes, deadlifting has many advantages, but it's something you can do without, unless you are competing I guess.

Thanks user, I'll probably start eventually, but I'm not in a hurry. I'm on a cut since last July anyway (till winter I presume), so won't be gaining much muscle in any case. By that time my posture will get better hopefully, so I could start deadlifting without a higher risk of injury.
It's not like I'm pulling this out of my ass, that's the medical advice I got from a proper specialist.

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Modified phul btw* to include weighted dips and pull ups.

I know this is dumb, but can anyone tell me what PHAT and PULL are? Ive never even heard of them and im not a dyel

Took me a second

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Took me a minute
man, you're good!

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This picture is racist, cracker

PHAT= Power, hypertrophy adaptive training and PHUL= Power, hypertrophy, upper, lower. They both focus on training for both strength and size with an upper and lower day focus. PHAT focuses on the first two days of upper and lower working out for strength, then you rest. And then the next three days for your standard hypertrophy split so back and shoulders during your 4th day, lower day on your 5th and chest and arms on your 6th. Then you rest and repeat. PHUL is purely power days for the first two days of upper and lower, and then hypertrophy for the next two days of a repeated upper and lower workout. Very simple yet very effective.

Latin fags
on my Chinese cartoon board?

O tempora, o mores!

I have absolutely no idea what this post means. I hate acronyms

Waut I was sopposed to rest between days?

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>holding Phrak’s GSLP over PHAT

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This

Do cardio and abs if you want.

Why do people always portray bodypart splits as "fluff and pump, meme exercises, excessive volume". You know you can do a 5-day split with careful exercise selection and rotation? Is it optimal? Probably not but stop portraying it like that - even though that's the way some people train.

PHUL if you can only do 4 days.
PPL if you can do 6

Shut up manlet.

My lofts are fine, this is a fitness board what the fuck are you on about

Thankyou

Well there's no point doing a weekly progression program like phraks gslp since that's no faster than phat or phul right?
But beginners should 100% do a daily lp for the first month to 3 months ish. Can be SS or SL or just whatever combo of basic lifts with a few accessories as they like. It doesn't fucking matter what you do at this stage - nobody looks like Arnie after 3 months roids or no. The key is that you should stop before you're grinding reps.
After a month or two then take your neurological adaptations and start phat or phul or whatever you like.
If you can progress daily, then progress daily.
If you can't, then progress weekly.
Can't do that anymore? Two weekly, 3 weekly, monthly, 6 weeks, etc. etc.
More weight = potential for more damage to muscles = more gains. So why not get weights up a bit (not necessarily a lot, probably not even to 1234, but a bit) while practicing motor patterns, then when you u can't, that's when you expand your routine and kick into the next higher gear?

Do push pull forv4 days with legs split between, or one full leg day and split legs other days. 6 days is just a waste

>dedicating multiple full days to legs for meme exercises like leg extensions

Squat/calves one day, leg press/calves/hamstrings another.

This. You only really need to be going gym 4-5 days a week. Any more and you're basically just no lifing. I mean everyone can do what they want if they have the time (no social life)

Patrician