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Quick reminder that if you’re a vegan/ vegetarian for moral reasons, you better be obstaining from faux meat-shaped products as well. Not only does it make you a tryhard hypocrite, it’s appropriation as well.

well, this just made me want to stop keto

>appropriation
I would have believed this bait until you used this word.

It may be a buzzword, but I dare you to prove it wrong.

>Quick reminder that if you’re a vegan/ vegetarian for moral reasons, you better be obstaining from faux meat-shaped products as well.
Of course not, fuck off
>Not only does it make you a tryhard
If anything is tryhard it's this post
>hypocrite
If I am opposed to killing people but play counter strike, am I a hypocrite?
>it’s appropriation as well.
fuck off lmao

whats vegans argument against being omnivore? they seem to only play black&white

Omnivores will prevail!

Everything I said is true.
If you have actively petition against animal “murder”, but you seek out plant based foods in the shape of animal corpses, you’re a fucking hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.
You’re the same as someone who watches loliporn, but hates pedophiles. You can’t benefit from the idea of something while hating the real thing. That’s fucktarded.

#metoo

What is your stance on murder or rape? Pretty sure it's black and white, isn't it?
>OMG, did you just compare animals to humans
No, I said that on some moral issues a black and white stance is required, and proceeded to give some examples of such issues I believe we find common ground on
>but what if your computer has one nanogram of animal products in it
But what if someone poses a deadly threat in your house, isn't it okay to kill them in self defense?
That doesn't make murder generally ok though now does it?
Edge cases don't make for good arguments.

Only Sith (or Communists/Vegans) deal in absolutes.

>What is your stance on murder or rape? Pretty sure it's black and white, isn't it?
Can't speak for the guy you replied to, but there are a whole lot of grey areas with both homicide and rape.

>Everything I said is true.
Nothing you said is true
>If you have actively petition against animal “murder”, but you seek out plant based foods in the shape of animal corpses, you’re a fucking hypocrite with no moral compass whatsoever.
name ONE animal bodypart in the shape of a burger, minced meat or a sausage
>You’re the same as someone who watches loliporn, but hates pedophiles.
you didn't answer my counter strike argument
>You can’t benefit from the idea of something while hating the real thing.
Literally what
>That’s fucktarded.
Stop using that retarded word

I accounted for them in my post

>Only Sith (or Communists/Vegans) deal in absolutes.
Capitalists deal in absolutes too, and I say that as an economic and societal conservative
also, that statement is an absolute

>name one animal body part in the shape of ground meat
What? No. But you can’t sit here and tell me that every selling point for vegan faux meat item isn’t some variation of “it tastes just like the real thing!!”
Do you know how hard it is to find vegetable patties now? They’re all modeled after beef patties now. Same with faux sausages.

As for your counter strike question, you’re all over the place. Counter strike isn’t about murder. It’s about war.

It's sad seeing a white man cuck his health. Wish this nutter had piss or shit skin.

>soyboy face

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I work right next to Quest Diagnostic’s corporate office.

Theyre a bunch of nigerian insurance scamming faggots

Dont think anyone on Jow Forums is a carnivore

That's retarded. No-one's saying meat tastes bad.

We're advanced enough as a society to make animal exploitation unnecessary enough to become morally wrong.

>What? No.
You said that "vegan food is made to look like animal corpses", and I'm asking "what animal looks like my (vegan) ground beef and burgers and sausages", and you haven't given me a counterexample yet
>But you can’t sit here and tell me that every selling point for vegan faux meat item isn’t some variation of “it tastes just like the real thing!!”
Yes, I won't tell you that, that's what they do, that's the point
You are confused
(non-vegan) sausages, burgers and mince don't taste like "animal corpses", they taste like sausages, burgers and mince
Raw meat and raw liver taste like animal corpses (because they are) and no vegan product that I know of taste like this
>Do you know how hard it is to find vegetable patties now?
It isn't though?
>They’re all modeled after beef patties now. Same with faux sausages.
Okay...? I don't see your point

The truth is no one really fucking cares you retard.

Yes eating vegan is overall a more healthy lifestyle and the majority of people will agree but no one fucking cares that much. I lift weights to get physically bigger and the health affects are just a plus. I love eating fucking meat and will do so until the day I fucking die. Meat is great and it tastes fucking great and if it's bad for me then that's too bad.

And the moral argument is for fucking faggots. I don't give a fuck about a cow or a pig or a fucking chicken.

>And the moral argument is for fucking faggots.
No, it isn't
>I don't give a fuck about a cow or a pig or a fucking chicken.
Not caring doesn't mean you are right, or not a faggot

>The truth is no one really fucking cares you retard.
plenty of people do
>but no one fucking cares that much
again, plenty of people do
>I love eating fucking meat and will do so until the day I fucking die.
not so long from now
>Meat is great and it tastes fucking great if it's bad for me then that's too bad
and I'm the retard?
>And the moral argument is for fucking faggots.
not raping and murdering is for fucking faggots
>I don't give a fuck about a cow or a pig or a fucking chicken.
yeah and you also don't give a fuck about yourself.

I'm not trying to be right. There is no right answer. I don't give a fuck about a cow and if you do then it's your own prerogative

Nothing in this world tastes better then a steak lmao

muh taste tho

>I DON'T CARE
cowardly beta leftist. bet you watch porn.

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>poor chickens
>I feel so much empathy for this poor bovine
>poor little piggy aawww

You obviously never faced hardships in your life if you feel even slight empathy for a stupid animal.

That post makes absolutely no fucking sense

keto doesn't wor-

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>Do keto
>Get sick
How is this news?

>Vegan
>low test
>Vitamin B12 and D deficient
>Literally kills small children

>Keto
>Diabeetus
>Several deficiencies
>High Cholesterol

Wow, it's almost as if removing vital nutrients from your diet is unhealthy!

Homosexual spotted

this thread is about health. you can discuss morality else where. looks like there is no health argument against being an omnivore

this dude is an idiot.
I magine he must smell pretty bad.
that soyface makes it disgusting.

was very skeptical after seeing those lab results.
the explanations he gives in the podcast actually do make sense though.
t. biotech undergrad, not an md so take that for what you will

Starving yourself also works. That doesn't mean you should do it.

When you're a vegan and you die from heart disease.

>Vegan
yes
>low test
studies prove you wrong my little idiot.
>Vitamin B12 and D deficient
studies prove you wrong my little faggot
>Literally kills small children
life proves you wrong my little dweeb

>murder or rape
>black and white
More like black on white

changing the angle at which you take a picture of your fat face doesn't wor-
there is, stop being retarded
>rationalizing diabeetus level blood glucose and lower test than the average

im not a carnivore i love vegetables and fruit

and they love you too billy

Fun fact: Feeding small kids vegan counts as child abuse in several European countries. Not sure about the US.

but it isnt tho
lol

thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067

>A study from the University of Graz says that contrary to popular opinion, vegetarian and vegan diets don’t make people healthier. In fact it found that vegetarians are ill more often, more susceptible to physical and mental disorders and generally have a lower quality of life than people who eat meat. They’re more at risk of cancer, have more heart attacks and are more likely to suffer from psychological disorders.

In europe it is also illegal to assault a burglar in your own house in self defense
Stupid laws don't make stupid decisions better

>Major Baker served in Afghanistan from January 2007 to May 2007. During his time there, he had a caseload of 311 operations and did 657 different procedures while supporting seven forward operating bases. The major had multiple patients with missing limbs due to land mines and suicide bombers and said he was surprised at the near complete lack of medical resources that the local population had.
Wow what a soyboy!

>links an article from a tabloid talking about vegetarians

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It's true. Several kids die every year because their parents feed them vegan.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/baby-dies-diet-parents-convicted-lucas-dendermonde-belgium-malnutrition-dehydration-a7790916.html

It even fucks up the mother's milk:
theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk

So, uhm, cry more I guess?

>What American'ts believe

>if I dislike it it's a tabloid

are you really that stupid?

Are you?

Well, you're a vegan so that question is answered lol.

so your argument are 2 articles about 2 different cases?
Not to speak about how stupid the articles are.

Who the fuck even is carnivore, there are even less of em than vegans.
Anyone would benefit immensely if they cut processed meats, hormone pumped animal products, sugar and equivalents(corn syrup, etc.), wheat with gluten.
Optimal diet is plenty of vegetables and fruits with some pasture raised natural animal products.
>inb4 you don't need anything in animal products that you can't supplement
Sure, you only need creatine b12 and k2, and that still leaves you on the low side of already converted omega 3's and god knows what else we don't yet know about.
Balance is key and processed foods are pure cancer.

it's literally called the tab..................

oh pls josh, just eat the fucking kale already and stop biting on dickmeat.

well, listen to what he has to say before coming to a conclusion.
firstly his fasting glucose is just on the verge of diabetes range.
secondly with his diet he constantly is in a state of gluconeogenesis and due to his training his muscle tissue has a high demand for glucose.
so it would make sense for his glucose to circulate from his liver to his muscles.
thirdly his insulin sensitivity markers are great.
we'll have to wait and see if he becomes diabetic in the long run or not but it's definitely to early to tell.

as to his testosterone levels, I would have expected him to go the "trt" route to explain this but his "androgen receptor sensitivity" explanation also holds up in theory (he didn't test fsh and lh though so nothing's definitiv).
androgen receptor density analysis is very new and afaik currently only done in academia due to costs and cutting edge. to my knowledge the density varies greatly from individual to individual and might explain the broad range of normal levels for testosterone in different individuals.
so when he speculates that his diet might have changed his androgen sensitivity I take it with a grain of salt but in theory he might be correct.
keep in mind that he claims to be completely asymptomatic for low test and neither you nor me can proof otherwise.

But these are mostly symptoms of eating too much sugar.

The principle behind keto is sound provided you are getting most of your calories from fat and not from meat. However the diet is lacking in the fiber/nutrients you get from vegetables and energy for exercise you get from carbohydrates.

Fasting is not starving yourself. And you should do it.

>vegetarians are more susceptible to physical and mental disorders

Would you look at that, who would have thought.

>...Anonymous
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>>diabetic
Diabetic from meat woo lads
>>vitamin d deficient
Can be fixed by going outside and pills
>>low test
He's old

>>high cholesterol
>2018 thinking cholesterol is bad

>>carnivores will defend
Vegans protecting

A fasting glucose of more than about 100mg/dl (5.5nmol/L for non-retards who don't use depreciated units) is basically diabetes. 128mg/dl is frank, out and out diabetes mellitus.

>thetab.com

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The vegan arguments that get posted here are fucking insane. Heart disease? Fucking really? You are in a place where people make fun of 30 year olds fo being too old.

Heart disease and diabetes are the least of a physically active, young person's worries.

in the podcast he says he constantly monitors his glucose levels and that they were higher than usual the day this bloodwork was done.
his post prandial response and the other insulin sensitivity markers were better than average.
that guy does something very unusual so you can't just focus on a single number on a sheet without taking the whole picture into account.
look, I'm not advocating to follow his example but what he does is very interesting because it goes against common sense and yet he is still healthy.
will he be 20 years down the road? who knows but it will be interesting to find out.

>conflating carnivory and omnivory
the absolute fucking state of (((vegans)))

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>237ng/dl
>2 3 7 nanograms per deciliter

holy fuck

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>The principle behind keto is sound provided you are getting most of your calories from fat and not from meat.

Although his diet is not coined as "keto" his diet is very similar to a keto diet, he eats mostly fatty beef steaks and some sea food and the occasional egg and such with some spices or sauces that contain tiny ammounts of phytonutrients.
His calories still come mostly from fats he eats, although his diet is definitely way up in protein than it is on the average ketogenic diet.
If I'm not mistaken he's eating around 300g of protein a day but also eating around 350g of fat a day.

>eats cooked foods
>only eats meme cuts and no organs
No wonder he is unhealthy, he is eating an unnatural diet.

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>high cholesterol
>2018 thinking cholesterol is bad

how is it not?

>Vitamin D on lower end of reference range
he has more staring at the sun to do

or you can take the /fast/pill, eat literally whatever the fuck you want, and lose a shit ton of fat and cholesterol and a1c and crp score

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And your argument is one guy's blood test (a guy who ate NOTHING but meat rather than a more balanced and reasonable diet)
Vegan cucks are such a scourge on the internet

>>>high cholesterol>2018 thinking cholesterol is bad

nature.com/articles/ni.2205

it is bad for you

i'd rather not be a literal twig

This can't be real

innawoods you realize that you convince more people to not fast than the alternative by posting your DYEL body right?

cows have better conversation than you, you fucking homo.

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from the article you linked:
>[...]Netrin-1 inactivated macrophage migration and supported the chemoattraction of coronary artery SMCs. Thus, expression of netrin-1 in plaques would be predicted to simultaneously prevent the egress of inflammatory cells and induce the recruitment of SMCs into the intima, thereby promoting lesion progression.[...]
>[...]we treated peritoneal macrophages with native LDL or LDL that had been oxidized (oxLDL), a modification that promotes the loading of cholesterol into macrophages. Consistent with our in vivo data, oxLDL resulted in macrophage expression of Ntn1 and Unc5b mRNA, but LDL did not (Fig. 1d and Supplementary Fig. 1e ).[...]

what increases levels of oxidized LDL?
a diet that is high in trans fats, smoking, poorly controlled diabetes, metabolic syndrome

care to elaborate what you were getting at?

>implying he actually read the paper before linking it

you're right, I have reading comprehension problems apparently. It was only referring to oxidized cholesterol

I have been zero-carb/meat-only since January 2017. Bodyweight training starting then, moved into powerlifting style training November 2017. I'm making great, consistent gains and have never felt better.

34/m/5'10''/165

170/255/355/395

AMA

how's your bloodwork?
how do you deal with the monotony in your diet?

Expertly crafted bait, I applaud your efforts, good sir!

What's your favorite cut of meat and how do you prepare it?

It's not clickbait.
The guy in the OP is the main pusher of a carnivore diet nowadays, he claims it's manly and is giving him all sorts of benefits.
Well, appearently he now has less than half the testosterone of the average american 50 something year old that doesn't lift and doesn't pay attention to his diet.

>your hormones on zero carbs

>Who the fuck even is carnivore, there are even less of em than vegans.
Americans. Same with veganism.

Americans just can't into health and fitness, it's been proven again and again and now again. They make do with steroids.