Why are young white males checking out of college? It's the barrier of entry to nice cushy office jobs...

networking doesn't always get you a job, nice try though, this is like the most typical meme response.

not everyone can get scholarships, also 9k is still too much and "mostly books" is a lie. stop lying.

>just don't get a bullshit degree
>uhh... actually, make sure to network too
>oh... also, spend 6 years at grad school getting a phd because undergraduate degrees are worthless now

just minor in computer science no matter how shit you are at it some rando plebbit kid barely got his C.S degree and was complete ass at it but still got a well paying job because the market is so empty

I wanna go to college but don't want to deal with normalfaggots in a school environment, again.

>the guy on the right will make 100k starting doing actual steel work or mining, whatever it is.
What delusional world are you living in m8?

>not everyone can get scholarships, also 9k is still too much and "mostly books" is a lie. stop lying.
>9k is still too much
>and "mostly books" is a lie. stop lying.
lmao how in denial can you be?

>tfw 105k stating out of college as comp engi
lmao, you don't need more than 4 years unless you're a tard

>can do literally nothing and get a decent job
>thinks this isn't a bubble set to pop in the next ~7 years

If I had a dime for every no-talent CS grad who made 60k fresh out.

Implying you need a degree to have a good career.

>tfw 105k stating out of college as comp engi
Engineering is a trade. You went to a trade school. You did the option on the left in name only.

okay i'll rephrase it for any type of contrarian:

the guy on the right will make twice as much as the guy on the left, minimum, no matter what.
there, does that work for you, you pedantic little fuckwad?

The market is expected to expand faster than jobs are being filled by 2024 so yeah if anything theres going to be even more useless CS majors making good money

nice damage control retard

i went to college and once i graduated, had amassed around 50k in student loan debt. all ive been able to find since then are entry level jobs for like $12/hr. i cant pay back my loans, making the minimum payment doesnt even cover the interest. im fucked for the next 20 yrs at least. meanwhile, my bother is a high school drop out, a felon, drug addict, and makes 80k a year working in a factory.

thats why you shouldnt go to college

>the guy on the right will make twice as much as the guy on the left, minimum, no matter what.
>there, does that work for you, you pedantic little fuckwad?
kek, so better just spout false info? come on m8, try harder

not everyone can get scholarships, how is that denial?
why do dumb fags have degrees? they can't even debate on Jow Forums.
fucking retard.

>haha, let me deny anything you say
>come on man, try harder so i can just deny it

let me guess, you deny the next thing i say?
>inb4 just does the opposite of whatever i say
fuck off.

I'm just making sure people aren't lied to.
If you want to make money, either go to a trade school or go to uni and study a trade there. Whatever you do, don't do pure science (no market except academia which pays nothing and is insanely competitive).

You should put every bit of your income towards paying off the loans while living with your parents. Just live for free until it's paid off and write it off on taxes. Then use tax breaks to pay the loans. You should get out of the hole in 3 years.

It's ok bro I fell for the STEM (physics) meme too. I'm just trying to get better at software development but I'm a sperg so I'll have to be twice as good and get half the credit

Graduate unemployment is only at 10% for most degrees. Just don't be the bottom 10% and you'll get a job.
I'm definitely the bottom 10% though I'm a robot.....

you're the one making claims m8, try and show any fucking stats that support your claims

until then I'll keep calling you a tard

the number of scholarships out there is larger than the pool of people looking for them m8

if you want a scholar ship getting them is easy because most tards don't try

Im a degenerate like your brother, not as bad mind you...where to cop a factory gig?

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I graduated with a computer science degree and am getting lots of interviews for good positions. It's not a meme.

Where's your master degree? Did you settle for a bachelor? Nobody hires bachelor degrees.

they literally beg you to work for them with a CS degree

Nursing is tru lifehax.
>two years of school
>entire program under 15k including books, tools, and licenses/background check/clothes
>60k starting if begin in a good specialty
>99% female so affirmative action, guaranteed entry if penis
>easier classes because watered down to female level of thinking

Work a comfy night shift in ICU. Sedated, intubated, and restrained. Basically you just watch them die and tell doctor what to do to fix them. Soon I will do anesthesia, make 180k/yr. Nursing a best.

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comp sci is, again, a glorified trade.
You are learning a very technical skill that specifically prepares you to work in a certain private sector.

A degree doesn't mean anywhere near as much as it used to. Nowadays everyone and their mother has a college degree (and then associated tens of thousands of dollars in student debt), but can't find good jobs because they neglected to network and build connections while they were in college. It's not about what you know anymore. It's who you know. Make a portfolio website. Join industry organizations. Get your name out there. You won't get shit just sitting on your ass throwing resumes into the void because countless people are doing the same thing. You have to stand out from the crowd and make yourself recognized in your industry or you're just going to be shuffled into the trash like every other nobody out there.

so you're just gonna call anything that get jobs a trade? lmao that's the only way your argument works

It isnt about employment though, it is about employment that justifies spending $150,000 and 4 years in school.
You are still a fuck up if you work retail after college.
I hate government economists, as long as unemployment is low and gdp is good everything is "fine"
Doesnt matter if there is a shrinking middleclass, too many poor and all the gdp growth goes to a 100 people in wallstreet, the numbers say we are healthy

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>God Tier: Comp Science, Nursing, Aerospace

How do you network?
Why would they want the name of some antisocial loser?
What do I do at events? Go shake hands with CEOs and tell them to hire me later? Doesn't that look and sound cheap? Why would a CEO talk to a loser like me?

btw, just to clarify these posts.
There is nothing wrong with learning a trade. It just isn't the same thing as going to college.

Trades are profitable. Going to college qua college is a bad investment.

>show any stats to support your claims

so you think the guy on the left with the liberal arts degree (it doesn't say what he does, just college) is going to start out making more than the miner?
you really need stats to figure this out?
no you don't, you're just being a pedantic contrarian, we both know it.

The game fucking changed. Back in the day any retard could get a union protected 9-5 America and provide for his family. I owe $70000, make $10/hr, and probably will get subpoenaed by Sallie Mae for not paying off my debt. Yeah there are jobs: entry level, 20 years experience required, starting $9/hr, temporary part time.
>lel I just put in a bit of elbow grease and now I get a million dollars a second to...
Normies can never accept the fact that sometimes blind luck or good circumstances hit them. I have thrown out hundreds of applications, networked everywhere I went, and even got summa cum laude in my premedical major. Sometimes dreams do not come true lads, pray for a massive ground war in Syria so at least I can get drafted and make money that way.

>Tfw fell for biotechnology instead of compsci because I thought it was the future
>Still looking at a job at McDonald's

this,

if you didn't major in something truly lucrative like engineering or computer science, you are gonna be working alongside me packing boxes

>take the worse case scenario for a college grad
>take the best case for a trade school grad
>compare them
there's your problem tart

A trade school is a school that teaches a particular technical skill that prepares you for a specific selection of jobs.

College, understood as literally everyone understood up until roughly 100 years ago, is a place that prepares you to be a good citizen by teaching you the classics of human civilization and cultivating the virtues.

The first option is economically viable but no substitute for the second. The second option no longer exists, or, if it does, is economic suicide.

isn't the guy in the pic on the right a miner? that's what i'm getting that from, it's not best case scenario, you just wish it was because your life depends on disagreeing with me for some reason.

>the number of scholarships out there is larger than the pool of people looking for them
>citation needed

>enrolling in comp science this fall
>trying to teach myself programming right now anyway
>hoping that I can continuously work on projects over the next 4 years in my free time every day developing a programming portfolio
Do I legitimately have a good chance of getting a job out of college with this plan

he's a hypocrite, asking for sources for shit then doing the exact same shit.
i always get into arguments with complete morons, fuck.

"Networking" is just normie code for be a tall good looking chad that everyone invites to parties and wants to be around.
Average looks people can "network" all they want but they will just come off as try harder and creepy.
>go to events
Lmfao, if you are ugly everyone is going to throw your business card in the trash and no one cares about you unless you have a position of power already. We lost when we were born

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Everyone on Jow Forums has IQ above 108.
If your IQ is above 108 you should go to college.

not even the most desired degree from the best university/college on the planet could help me lol

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I go to tons of events but I have nothing to say to people who make talks there except ask for their advice. I have nothing to offer them.
How do I tell them to hire me?

Yes. I have seen some utterly useless people get very decent jobs with comp sci degrees.
Who knows where the market is going, but right now that is a very sound approach.

So should I go to uni for Computer Science, or is it a meme/ over saturated bubble?
It was either that or Electrical Engineering, but I honestly feel that EE is just a little but above what I'm capable of.

I just don't want to be seen as a "code monkey". I want to be more than that.

Did you even read my post you linked? Networking is a meme. It is just like dating. Chad will tell you just be yourself, becuase all he has to do is show up and be good looking to get dates. It is terriable advice.
People who tell you to network just show up and thier charisma does the rest. And they will never understand that you can go to 100 events and make zero headway and never get a call

Comp sci is still growing and will still have way too many openings by 2022 and just get a gov job with NSA and Cia they hire right out of college

Is comp science a good degree for a tranny?

I took ap computer science in high school and enjoyed it and I would prefer a job where I can just hide behind a computer all day.

Am I going to be strictly limited to software engineering jobs, or is it easy to branch out beyond being just a programmer?

For reference, I would be getting this degree at an American university that is known to have a fairly rigorous and accredited CS program, but its no Ivy league.

Eh you're kind of right I guess.
I dunno what to do except work part-time some place and hope my dad won't kick me out eventually.

Enjoy life on easy mode. 98% of cs majors are cis male scum.

school doesnt matter for C.S at least its only or connections. But it all depends what your concentration is in. P.S gov will hire any type of C.S major straight from UNI

Soon to be a meme, but otherwise still there. Recently all the tech companies have been hiring cheap PHPajeets to address all of their tech issues. This is driving costs for hire down and the Indians do nepotism like a motherfucker. So be prepped to have to work below that sweet $120k/yr you were promised, hop contract to contract, and try to convince your boss to keep you hired when he gets the urge to kill your project by hiring a bunch of non-English speaking Pakis to vomit nonsensical code all over it

The general consensus in college feels like dont bother if you dont go to grad school.

Small companies hire indians but larger companies will hire any asian or white guy with a degree

>be me
>work as a janitor
>part of the job is letting in delivery men of all types to drop off food in the night
>get replaced with foreigners
>call up one of the boys and say hey, is there a job delivering milk I can pick up?
>he says sure and talks to his boss for me and says I'm reliable
>within a week, I am back at my old place of work, but now only for ten minutes while I drop off milk

that is what networking refers to

>office jobs
Literally worse than being tortured. Working in an office is guaranteed to give you depression. Not the meme "I wanna die lmao xD'" depression.
I mean feeling like you aren't a person, finding it harder and harder to get out of bed, getting angry at every minor inconvenience. I could only last a year in an office before I had to quit.
Glad I did too. I would have assaulted someone.

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Not if you work a government IT job.

But you have to actually do work. Sorry buds, we're both going to die, but while you are on the way there, you're going to work and I am going to be lazy and spend time on my hobbies.

>small companies hire Indians
macrumors.com/2016/05/19/apple-hyderabad-maps-development/

Apple literally stopped hiring from US campuses anymore and is outsourcing all of their big tech projects to India. Google is 1/3rd Indian. It is why Apple has been shitting the bed recently with broken updates, and at the same time not hiring American, and dodging US taxes. Don't stay too optimistic that all the tech jobs will last and will be so sweet. Never buy Apple, ever.

unless you have no drive and want to spend every day sitting on the computer effortlessly entertaining yourself

that is a lot of us, senpai.
I don't have the attention span to spend every minute of free time outside of work doing more shitty mindless busy work for four or more years

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Limited white collar jobs and excess of blue collar jobs so guess what happens to those with degrees who aren't connected or at the top? They end up blue collar with college debt

90% of it could be automated or outsourced and will be once the boomers die off. Boomers dont understand what computers are for. They think they are a fancy telephone/communication device.
Even choosy white collor jobs like accounting is 99% automatable. At most you need some highschool kid to do data entry, but if your suppliers are automated/computer invoice you dont even need that. Or with the internet you can outsource entire accouting departments to India (has already happened in a few companies).
Basiccly all you need these days is a marketing guy with an art staff, a boss and factory/warehouse workers.

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Cool. Read my post again and then kill yourself

This is the whole problem with degrees. HR and management is so faceless and clueless all degrees count the same, which is retarded.

Wow, what a step up. Janitor to delivery boy. Maybe a decade from now you might make it up to cashier.

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>The vast majority of jobs will be replaced by computers within our lifetime
Feelsgoodman
Can't wait for the wagie ragie when they find out after all their hard work they're unemployable
youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

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Thanks mister, but I don't want to be a cashier. I only work certain types of jobs.

Got quite a few rods in the fire right now, we'll see which one of them gets hot first.

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"moving up" to cashier sounds like a downgrade from being a janitor you dumbass

I'm a software developer, I got my first dev job at 20 years old making 58k a year (In the Midwest) with plenty of room to grow in my career and I have no debt. Why would I ever go to college.

They realized it was a total meme. Sadly I was naive and waisted four and a half fucking years of my life I could have worked.

>You probably had shit social skills and didn't network.
Shittiest excuse I always hear.

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Such a dim view of the world. Everything you do is an opportunity. Now, I can work at a motel as a Janitorial Supervisor, meaning I no longer have to clean, my task would be inspecting motel rooms that other people cleaned, ordering bleach, and so on. Or as a delivery man you can move up to dispatcher or transit supervisor or route planner, there's so many opportunities, and these are the ones I don't want to do. I've got my sights set a bit higher.

Unless you're getting a degree in something in demand (i.e. engineering, CS, law, etc) it's a waste of time and money. That "communication" or "liberal arts" degree won't do much for you. If you already know what career you want to go into, go into it. If you want to be an artist, make art. Find other artists, make art with them. Don't waste your time and money in college studying crap you'll forget the semester after you learn it.

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I'm sure you signed your S.L.A.V.E. pledge, wagie. Remember; no job is a bad job! Always work your hardest! Good goyium...

Oh, there's certainly bad jobs out there, but experience never hurts.

Full ride scholarship bitches

>Sadly I was naive and waisted four and a half fucking years of my life I could have worked.
Just do what I did and chalk it down as experience.

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>Full ride scholarship bitches
I'm not that intelligent unfortunately. Good for you however.

>Englishman, been fascinated in philosophy since a young age, this develops into an interest in law
>Go into it at university
>Everybody even my own father naysays me about how there are not enough jobs, how it's so difficult I'll kms, how if you're not going to Oxbridge nobody in the profession will so much as look at you, still passionate for it though
>Realise quickly that most people doing law are just here because they have the plan of "1. Get Law degree. 2. ??? 3. Become rich lawyer."
>Actually enjoy attending lectures and studying unlike pretty much everyone who just moans about how much they hate it, quickly shine and become first-grade
>When it's time to start trying to get practical experience, I go into interviews to a bored man expected another unenthusiastic monotone foreigner to tell them the same buzzword laden drivel and end up having riveting conversations up to 50 minutes long about things I've learned and totally off topic things that have inspired me
>Most of my peers are struggling to get summer work shadowing contracts whereas I've got multiple firms practically asking me to get a proverbial foot in their doors
>Had a conversation with one of the partners of a firm I ended up going to last year, explained to him my long term plan of moving to and practicing in America, he assured me I'd be able to do it and gave me a bunch of LinkedIn contacts
>Future is looking pretty bright bro

Moral of the story is that college/university is great if you're actually motivated and excited to learn about your topic. Sucks that the US loan system is so shit, but there's so much opportunity I think you'd still be able to make it. Don't go into higher education lethargic and pessimistic, what are you going to expect out of it?

>engineering
>job
Pick one.

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im probably average intelligence i have a 3.8gpa but most scholarships specifically local ones will basically give you it for nothing

Because sitting in an office all day is depressing.

coal miner here, 80k, no college

I graduated with a 2.3 GPA, that should tell you everything you need to know.

I don't mean to be an ass but how are you doing physically?

>105k starting salary
>lying to impress people on a Dagestani goat milking forum

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