I've been trying to avoid everything containing any soy...

what a jaw

The only soy I consume is soy lecithin (shit's in everything) and soy sauce.

I don't like in a first world country

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nigga then dont eat protein bars

Thanks I was hoping for an answer like this I'm not even going to fact check. I'm still going to cut as much soy as possible though but I won't feel as guilty now if it's soybean oil.

Hmm, I wonder who could be behind this post

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3433562/#!po=37.8049

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21175082/

20% TDEE and 20g protein doesn't seem bad desu

You're being fucking meme'd boy quit sheeping for your fear mongering shepherds

As long as it isn't all you have it's fine, no need to be so autistic about it, it's just another exaggerated meme.

Why have you cucked Argentina access to the Pacific?

Mountains n shit.

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21175082/
did you read either article? neither implicate phytoestrogens with endocrine dysfunction in normal people, and no inverse gonadal growth (which none of you should be concerned with since i assume Jow Forums should be above 18).

hehe antisemitism is soooo fun!!

Yep, I knew it. It's always (((them)))

Soy isnt good for you but its not actually something worth avoiding at all costs.

i heard Chile is ok

As long you aren't poor is pretty good. Kinda like the US in that regard.

Soy is not a meme read this
anabolicmen.com/soy-and-testosterone/

Just don't put food in plastic containers made with BPA. Just don't eat protein bars.

Ok, but if it causes reproductive changes in embryos, then the whole phytoestrogens can't affect mammals argument doesn't hold up, right?

>thinks a pizza without soy is good

Flash news, dairy reduces testosterone even more than soy.

>After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

we're not doing this again.
the subjects in your study had to drink 1L of milk in 10 minutes (and there was no control group btw).
that's 47g of sugar and 33g of protein. every meal that induces an insulin responce decreases SERUM testosterone.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22804876
>Glucose ingestion was associated with a 25% decrease in mean T levels (delta = -4·2 ± 0·3 nm, P < 0·0001). T levels remained suppressed at 120 min compared with baseline (13·7 ± 0·6 vs 16·5 ± 0·7 nm, P < 0·0001) and did not differ across GT or BMI.

do you think insulin makes the testosterone vanish in thin air or that it increases test's transportation into tissue?

oh and I just forgot to add that estrone (E1) has 1/12th the potency of estradiol (E2) the main estrogen in human bodies.

Progesterone also has a feminizing effect brainlet.

Insulin doesn't decrease LH and FS hormone, which are also responsible for a good part of our testosterone.

Milkboys when will they learn ?

soybeans contain phytoestrogens
soy phytoestrogens have very little effect on the human body unless consumed in large quantities and sustained over time

soy byproducts like soybean oil, soy lecithin, and soy protein, contain little of the original phytoestrogens because of processing

fear of soy is a meme and it's stupid how people are actually starting to take it seriously

"soyboy" is just another word to denigrate males for being weak, just like "cuck", "beta", "fag", etc

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
>Serum progesterone concentration significantly increased and peaked 30–60min after the intake of milk (mean ± SE, before and peak: 0.66 ± 0.08ng/mL and 0.75 ± 0.10ng/mL, P < 0.02).
that's a 13.6% increase (from 1L of milk consumed within 10 minutes). that won't feminize anyone. but surely you knew that since you read the full article?

>Serum LH and FSH concentration gradually decreased in six out of seven men, and reached a nadir 60–120min after the intake of milk (before and lowest point: LH, 3.29 ± 0.49mIU/mL and 2.48 ± 0.43mIU/mL, P < 0.05; FSH, 3.43 ± 0.17mIU/mL and 3.19 ± 0.15mIU/mL, P < 0.02)
that's a 24.6% and 7% decrease respectively. that's also nothing worrisome.
LH and FSH have a pulsatile excretion. therefore it's hard to take an accurate measurement of those values.
and judging by how amateurish the rest of the study was done I suspect they didn't pool multiple samples taken severeal minutes appart.

Are you retarded?

I swear vegans lack all frontal lobe activity due to lack of amino acids.

honestly yes it is fun

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Thousands of years of European evolution consuming no soy, bpa or pesticides

>Industrial revolution happens

Everything degenerates

You're wrong, I'm slowly cutting plastic.

I'm not going to play into this jewry, plastic was a mistake.

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You're a fucking faggot.
>muh soy is bad for me.
Stop falling for memes from this shithole website.

Dude stop with the jew shit already.
You sit in your parents house posting on a computer thinking your some kind of white nationalist when in reality you're just some stupid retard who has no clue how the world works.
When you actually do find out you'll stop with the racist comments.
OK MORON?

>ordering pizza

learn to cook

>buying protein bars

learn to cook

>I'm not going to play into this jewry, plastic was a mistake.
No YOU were a mistake

no it doesn't in men you fucking retard, it's a precursor to test in men.

google it you actual fucking idiot before making claims.

Is your pc mouse glass or aluminum?

Loser. Do research before you post.

I don't care if my vegetables are canned. I don't care if my water jug is plastic. I don't care if my water is straight from the tap. I'm just content eating lots of healthy food that includes 4 servings of soy protein some days.

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>soy protein
Wait so those protein bars are actually bad for you? I usually have them as a quick snack when im at school
What is a snack that doesnt have soy?

soy / soy derivatives are in a lot of shit. processed foods. soy sauce, other foods that you wouldn't even think of having soy have soy in it. simple solution: learn to cook for yourself, avoid processed food, and if you have to stoop down to eating processed products read the ingredients list.

that's for old people with severe arthritis and rheumatism

someone post that before after with soylent green

imagine being such a brainlet that a Jow Forums's meme influence your eating habits.
I eat homemade bread with 1/3 soy flour since i don't even remember when and i'm perfectly fine

kek

>I unironically look like this
>I lift to escape what my childhood and adolescence made of me

You realize that you cannot lift away a medical condition, right? Talk to a fucking doctor ffs

Except for medical conditions from poor musculature.

Unless you're making soy your primary protein source, you aren't going to suffer any negative effects from it.

The tiny bit of soybean oil in a pizza isn't going to hurt you at all.

not really, I even found a proton powder with soy lecithin(not that it's that bad,but still)
gymbeam truewhey the CHOCOLATE flavor,the other flavor might have lecithin,look at their page

anyone else eat tvp?

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WRONG.
it's exactly the opposite.

Oh vey! Shut it down Goldstein, the goyim know!

Lmaoing at people falling for the soy meme so hard. Just don't eat faggot food like soylent or tofu

Give it up, shlomo. You aren’t fooling anybody.

This, the rich people (mostly chileans of 100% european descent who stick within their circles) live like kings and send their kids to private schools while all brown hispanics and mapuche clean their toilets and drive ubers

Jow Forums still believes the nofap meme. Of course they will fall for this, it has science words in it and everything.

While you worry about inane shit, I'm a walking out of shape collection of injuries that still competes in several sports and outlifts you by a considerable margin, fueled by a diet containing soy.

Just saying.

la wea penita

How to cook protein bars?

Is Chile the country with the lowest BMI , i mean the shape of the country itself, not the people, look at its height compared to its width.

Anyone get me?

Nofap isn't a meme though. Yeah it wont turn you into god but if you think heavy porn consumption or endless dopamine rushs have no effect on you just lmao

PHYTOESTROGENS DO NOT INCREASE MAMMALIAN ESTROGEN YOU ARE FALLING FOR A MEME, SOY WILL NEVER RAISE YOUR ESTROGEN HOLY FUCK YOU ARE SKIPPING SO MANY DELICIOUS MEALS FOR A LOST CAUSE

Google scoobys recipe, they're good

It aint all bad

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But lifting will cure my autism r-right?

Question is not only, wether it increases the body's own estrogens, but also wether it activates the estrogen receptors.

If a qt grill has tits this size but curvy hips and a fat little bubble butt is that still disgusting?? Asking for a friend.

Soy won’t do shit unless maybe you eat it for three meals a day every day.

>that feel when you're sister has tits like that

if you cut your hair short and act like a tomboy I'm all for it

I'm in the same boat, and you kind of have to.
If you're fat and have gyno, you really need to lose the weight before going to a doctor and looking into surgery.
If you get the surgery while you're still fat, there are many more potential complications, not to mention your skin would look fucking weird by the time you actually lose the weight and your skin tightens.

nuts, fruit, most beef jerkies don't either. If it has soybean oil or soybean lechitin (derived from soybean oil) it will have nearly negligible phytoestrogens in it.

isoflavones have much higher polarity than actual estrogen (as estrogen is a hormone designed to pass the blood brain barrier), so its concentration in the oil is quite low. this is why people with lymphangioleiomyomatosis (which may worsen cyst formation by introduction of estrogen) can still eat soybean oil and lechitin.

fair. there's two issues with that. one is that these are infants ingesting soy based formula well before development of mature endocrine regulation, and the other is that infants also haven't developed gut flora to properly metabolize much of the isoflavones in plants. in healthy adults, i think isoflavone consumption has nil risk.

ok sweetie, enjoy larping as a fascist

Unironically this. It's 100% a meme perpetuated by the idiots on this peruvian nose flute website.

This. I thought it was pretty funny at first, but it's kinda sad that people are taking it seriously now. It's fucking *plant* estrogen, guys.

If you're so low test that small amounts of soy matter to you, you should just stop lifting.