Always thought I'd be fine with ANY girl as long as she was born with a vagina since no girls ever showed interest in me

Men have to take what they can get, it not the same where you can find reasonably attractive and hot partners whenever you want

I've been on many, many dates with fat girls. Maybe not one like yours who couldn't fuck except missionary, but definitely some fatties. I dated and lived with a fat girl for over three years. I married a chubby girl who is a fat girl occasionally (she fluctuates). I like it. No complaints here.

Ugly girls are quite often great fun in bed.

Ugly girls only get with Chads. They'd rather swallow a bunch of pills and chug a bottle of wine than even look at a robot

This is bullshit. I'm sorry but it is.
It seems to be taken as canon around here, but it's just not true.

The how come all the girls here have bfs, orbiters, and a vibrant sexual history and the men just wish a woman would talk to them.

One has nothing to do with the other.
It's also not even true, because I see women here complaining about not being able to get a bf, complaining about being ugly and unwanted.
Your worldview is killing you and you need to change it.

Unable to get a Chad bf, being ugly and unwanted by Chad. That's what women mean when they say that. The opinions of ugly and average men don't matter to them.

LOL you are legit fucking hopeless. Keep throwing the word "Chad" around so you safely don't have to live your life.

It's just shorthand for "above-average male" I'll use that term instead. I wish I could forget the truth, but even not being aware of how repulsed women are to average and sub-average men wouldn't change the fact that as one of those sub-average men no woman would ever want me.

I am a solidly average dude and the fact is, sometimes it's easy to get laid and sometimes it's not at all. The only difference is that I choose to make the effort to try, and don't get butt hurt when I fail.

You can only feel that way because you've had success. Wonder how you'd think if trying was met with nothing but scorn and constant failure. You think and ugly man could find and be happy with an ugly woman, but women only date up.

No, you just have to keep trying. Move forward. The only reason I ever had any success in this regard is because I chose to kept trying. That's all there is to it. Any other outlook is simply failure. You only need the will to continue trying. Humans are such variable beings. You can observe generalizations, but each person still must be observed and assessed individually. "Women" do not all date the same, think the same, feel the same, or want the same. That's ludicrous. Keep trying or live life alone and unhappy, blaming literally anything other than your lack of will to try. Move forward.

How fat are we talking here, OP?

I have a high personal threshold for what I'd say is too fat. Even with a too fat chick I'd probably just try to make her lose weight

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Valid question. I would like more details as well.

There is a difference between ugly and "unfuckably obese". An ugly girl could have great tits or be a good lay but what bonus could there be with a woman so obese it's a struggle to get it in? It's worse, too, because an ugly girl can't help her looks but a fatty is 100% to blame for their state.

Unfuckably obese is pretty much a deal breaker, even for someone like me who likes fat girls.

Or third option, keep trying and still be alone and unhappy. The world is not fair, and if you don't have enough value you'll fail at the dating marketplace

"dating marketplace"
Did you get this from some PUA bullshit?
No, the third option is just death. Because if you keep trying eventually you will succeed. You more than likely need to make some changes along with continuing to try, because trying the same thing over and over will only lead to frustration and continued failure. But giving up is just like dying but still drawing breath.

Looking at human relationships like a marketplace of some sort is a flawed model and contributes to continued failure.

>>Looking at human relationships like a marketplace of some sort is a flawed model
Then why does literally everyone related to sociology, anthropology, psychology, economics, philosophy, government, education, human resources, and so on use it?

Then how am I supposed to try? Keep cluelessly proding at dating sites being mocked and rejected by women for being my no-value self? Or should I realize that women seen men in terms of value and not "love" and try to adjust my actions accordingly.

I know how you feel OP. I feel less and less attraction to hot girls and more interested in skinny girls with average looks that make me really want to fuck them even though I have no chance with them either cause I'm skinny and have a jew nose. Pic related is a girl i really want to ask out even though I'm 5 years older than her. Idk if she's hot or not but she gets my dick hard and that's all that matters I guess.

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She's cute, but I hate average and below women on sight cause I know they are the biggest whores for Chad

Literally all of these people do not. Where did you get that information?

Legit sounds like you need to make changes to your dating site profiles and/or opening messages. Or -- now hear me out -- venture out into the real world and try to meet people face to face. This can be awkward and even painful at first, but does get easier with repeated effort.
I'd also be curious to see examples of you being openly mocked, but I doubt you would show those to us here. But it is entirely possible that your perception of these events, at least in some cases, is not reality.
And finally, rejection -- even mocking -- is not the end of the world. It means nothing. If some rando that you're trying to talk to rejects you, it means less than nothing. Move forward. Human connections cannot be quantified.

Well the guy standing next to her is a semi-chad looking dude. I can't tell if it's her boyfriend or not. I swear to god it should be a legal requirement if you are in a relationship to enter into it on Facebook so I can tell and know not to waste my goddamn time. That's why when I talk to her I'm going to make sure to ask her out to coffee within 20 or so lines of chat so I can get to the "I have a boyfriend" part and delete her from social media permanently. And you see that bitterness? That lack of patience is helping to keep me alone. But I no longer care, I feel old and hateful and jaded even though I'm only 23. I wouldn't mind attempting a relationship with this girl but she's in college so I know the best I'll get out of her is a few sex sessions. I told a female friend about my plans and she said I should pay for her coffee if I do take her out and I just laughed. I am never paying for a woman's shit. Ever.

>Human connections cannot be quantified.

Yet women do with their minimum height and dick size requirements. They literally put a number. And the out of ten rating people give others looks also quantifies it. I don't match up to the numbers.

Where do I even go to meet women in real life? I'm not in college or any other social place, and random women do NOT want men, especially ones like me, to talk to them. It's rare to be mocked and rejected online, but that's online because being ignored is the main thing. Like when I tried tinder I never even got a chance to talk to any women as I never received any matches after a year of trying at it.

Meetup.com. join clubs. Etc. It's shitty but at least it's exposure to them. I agree, though, society is becoming increasingly alienating.

Im always an outcast in group settings. unfortunetly there is no hope for someone as low value as me.

You are confusing the archetypal "woman" with all real-life women everywhere. Every woman worldwide does not check in with the hivemind to assign these numbers. And you still have not said where any of this info comes from. Also, why is it so disgusting that human beings can have personal preferences about who they date? And the out-of-ten thing is not done in real life anywhere near as often as you think.

You are using flawed information to form a theory in your head that justifies your fear of trying. That's all.

In the case of Tinder, make your profile better. Don't swipe right on everything with a pussy. There are algorithms at work that will fuck you over if you spam likes and superlikes, and no matter what anyone on Jow Forums says, profile matters more than picture in the majority of cases.

I would swipe left frequently if the woman was too pretty.

Yeah I'm in the same place. Of all the normofuck advice though that's the only one that actually holds somewhat true. But only if you can actually assert yourself in those sitatuions.

Then focus on making your profile better. Or try OK Cupid instead. You have more freedom when it comes to profile building, and the surveys and short-answer questions help if you fill them out. Eventually, of course, it's up to you to either start a conversation and keep it going, or keep one going once someone messages you. The only way to get better at that is practice. Keep in mind that rejection does not matter. Only improvement does. Move forward.

Your attitude is what makes you low value, or at least prevents you from improving yourself.

How do I even build a profile when I hate myself? I look bad in all photos and have nothing witty or interesting to write in the profile.

Then stop trying to date at all, for now, and work on improving yourself. If you hate yourself you can't succeed at anything.

My attitude followed my experience not preceded it

But you are limiting yourself. Keep moving forward. With a larger sample size you will find that many of your assumptions and observations don't hold up. Your attitude will eventually change for the better. The attitude of "all women blah blah" simply replaced with "some women blah blah" is an improvement. You don't know shit about people you have never met.

It's setting like that which make me believe the "beta male" rhetoric that's thrown around. I'm socially forced into submission in group setting by superior men and I hate it

You don't. If you're 25+ abd don't have a social circle you're not going to meet women.

Can you give an example of a situation where you are forced into submission?

I'm only 22, but no social circle

Why would you tell him something so damaging? It's not even true.

>attractive person says something

People turn to face them and listen, will engage with their thoughts and have a conversation

>I say something
People don't listen, will talk over me. Even if they do listen they'll just change the subject immediately and not engage with me or my thoughts.

This is not an example of another man forcing you into submission.

Just stay calm and assert yourself without being bitchy and rude. For example dont sperg out or sound aggrrssive in voice, just wait and repeat what you said. If no one is listening, engage with what the other people are saying. Fact is you are probably considered the dude that everyone just wants to shut up, but unfortunately you'll never find out without pushing the envelope.

>Fact is you are probably considered the dude that everyone just wants to shut up

>tfw it took years to realize this was the case

Yes it is, when another man speaks over me and uses his social power to exclude me from the conversation it's forcing me into a non-active submissive social role.

> Fact is you are probably considered the dude that everyone just wants to shut up

A good reason to avoid being with other people for their sake.

You still have time then. You need to hurry. Doors start closing in your mid 20s. Past 25 you can't make a social circle and you'll always be an outsider. And with no social circle you will never meet women.

Work hard in school, pick the right career and everything will faill into place 10 years from now.

>knew she was fat but in person she was 2x as fat as in her pics

I'm almost positive that most of this is in your imagination.

Was there a point you were trying to make by quoting that part of the OP?

Well it seems the options are that people are doing it to unconsciously prove they're better than me or I'm fundamentally annoying and unlikable. Or both which is probably the truth

Or you are imagining it. That is the other option that you do not want to face. Maybe you're paranoid. Maybe you need to stop hanging out with these people and find better people to hang out with. The problem is, all of these options require effort, and it is clear from your tone that you do not wish to make an effort.

She was lost. Like you. That's why you two sought each other out. You could have lead her while she could have protected you on your journey to salvation. Do you really want a woman to drive you somewhere? You know her protective instincts are going to tell her its safer to set up camp for the night and fuck because that's what feels safe in the moment. But your logical brain knows you have to keep going, salvation is just over the horizon.

Truth is I'm dumb and uncreative. If I had a plan to put effort towards I can work hard, but I cannot make plans myself I'm too stupid and social interactions are a mystery to me.

Social interactions are a mystery to literally everyone. Even Chad and Stacey. No one -- not one single human -- actually lives life on easy mode. But social interaction does become easier with experience. Experience and effort are the keys to life itself. Stop making excuses. Move forward.

Where is forward?

I mean, that was me for years. I just had too much ego to give in and also I couldn't get away with pushing myself completely into isolation. So I just continued being a cringe fuck and learning from my mistakes. Still a 23y.o. kissless virgin though.

>tfw have a social circle but it only contains weird weebish females that I don't want to date.

Stupid question. But you knew that when you posted it.
"Forward" is self-improvement.
"Forward" means making connections and interacting with real live people, even if it is awkward or difficult. Even if you fail spectacularly at first.
"Forward" is continuing to try, and continuing to improve and gain experience. It's the only way.

Nothing worth having or doing is easy, nor should it be.

Keep learning. It will pay off eventually.

Why is it so easy for other people?

>Work hard in school, pick the right career and everything will faill into place 10 years from now
Yep just in time for your health to start failing you.

It isn't easy for anyone. Life is not easy.

>Looking at human relationships like a marketplace of some sort is a flawed model and contributes to continued failure.

Everything that people participate in voluntarily is a market, whether you choose to call it that or not.

The only non-market activities are those undertaken by compulsion.

Well, as long as you keep this optimism you should be fine.

Holy shit you guys just program yourselves for failure, don't you?

Oh I am plenty socially competent now. I work a service job and actually engage with the customers well, to the point where many have gone out of their way to notify their boss of my excellence. Ironically I fucking hate talking to people yet enjoy it simultaneously. It's weird. The problem is I am ugly and tired and skinny and still live with my parents, and the banalities of flirting make me unwilling to pursue women. Even had a friends gf offer to set me up with her friend and I said no cause she wasn't attractive to me at all, and because from social media I realized she was pretty awkward and autistic and probably a virgin and I didn't want to be the one who pumped & dumped her.

Many people get girlfriends with no real effort it'll just happen for them, hell some guys will get to fuck hundreds of girls based on how tall and how big dicked their genetics make them.

Why would I work hard to get more money that will just make me attractive to roasties looking for a beta provider? Might as well enjoy my youth then kill myself as I inevitably will in my 30s one way or another. Only thing stopping me now is my family.

>how tall and how big dicked their genetics make them
You forgot facial aesthetics but otherwise yes.

>being able to see yourself with a girl
>being able to see yourself with a human being
>being able to see yourself
lmao get on my level, I basically believe I am a bio-camera streaming what I see to aliens.

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Damn kinky aliens watching their camera jerk it all the time

These are terrible memes that are just not true. It's not true. It isn't. If you guys can't get past the fiction of these statements then you will always be alone.

Failure is us. We are failure

And it seem that you just want to stay that way. Are you literally allergic to effort?

You say that, it the guys we describe will go around bragging about how many women they fuck. Guys with big dicks also can literally just go on fetlife and find women to fuck with no work just based on their genetics they are born with it's a fact.

I want to be anyone but me

Do tell more
t. 7.5/6" cock, about to don my wizard robes and enter Hufflepuff

Guys bragging about how many women they fuck don't always tell the truth. They also don't whine about how much effort it often takes. I have no idea what the fuck fetlife is because websites are not real life.

Then make the effort to change yourself into someone you want to be. Doesn't matter how long it takes. Once you begin to see some of the improvements you want, it will get easier and you will feel better about yourself and improvement will come faster. It begins with will and effort.

>the guys we describe
Where did you meet these guys? High school? Some bullshit PUA website?

They're all over the internet. Go look at bigdickproblems on reddit and read how they get women just by sending pics

>they're all over the internet
You seem to have a persistent problem where you believe the internet is real life.
r/bigdickproblems is not real life. What makes you think anything posted there is true?

Hard to send dick picks when you get zero matches

>What makes you think anything posted there is true?

It makes me feel bad about myself

So by your own logic, that makes it true? That's weird, man. Maybe instead of trying to date you should spend some time in therapy.