Black pills

>Free will is a lie.
>Human thoughts are automatic, not manual.
>Self-reflection (i.e. "I did X because Y") is nothing more than a guess.
>Evolution and determinism explain human behavior better than culture, society or media do.
>People are products of their genes and their environment.
>Political views are largely formed based on emotion and other quirks of the mind, not necessarily fact or principle.
>When most people talk about having children they'll refer to the benefits to the parents, the children themselves are secondary.

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Can anyone refute this? I'd like to see someone try

okay now post this on /lit/

>Self-reflection (i.e. "I did X because Y") is nothing more than a guess.

Well, it's not as if you "freely will" to guess that. It's the inference that you're compelled to infer by prior causes.

>Political views are largely formed based on emotion and other quirks of the mind, not necessarily fact or principle.

A lot of the time, yeah. But not always. Also emotions are relevant in a lot of ways relating to facts and principles. Utilitarian philosophy and political ideals that are in some way based on utilitarianism take the importance of peoples' emotions into account. And actually a lot of philosophical perspectives do that, not just utilitarianism.

Yeah, Humans are computers who are programmed by the environment

This means there is basically fate, nothing you do is original.

Computers will be able to predict the future.

Seems pretty comfy red pill
Far from black

I think this thread perhaps should be a philosophy general because otherwise it might not stay alive.

Years ago, free will debate threads would get like 300+ replies, back when Sam Harris was more prominent in the pop philosophy scene .Now you've got Jordan Peterson everywhere and I don't know what his position on free will is or if he's ever even addressed it, but the question doesn't really seem to fit the current zeitgeist that much.

I still think it's an important point because I think free will is not only nonexistent, but it's a destructive idea that causes so many problems. People are so attached to this idea that they will cause all kinds of bullshit for the sake of preserving it. I've seen tons of drug addicts claim that they can get inebriated chronically to the point where they turn psychotic, and then they've with a straight face told me some bullshit like "I have free will, so I am in control of the psychosis".

But maybe this thread could also be about other philosophical topics. It might be good for keeping the discussion lively and not letting it expire too soon. Just a thought.

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>Now you've got Jordan Peterson everywhere and I don't know what his position on free will is or if he's ever even addressed it
He says that "you don't like it when people tell you that you don't have it" and doesn't really go farther than that besides nudging towards free will here and there.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe in it but thinks that people like statements that uphold their belief in it.

Physics say shit's random on quantum level, so free will and determinism aren't solved.
Still, with either proven, there is no tangible effect on your life. You still have to live your life like always.

>All human interaction is based on power dynamics and exchange
>Persuasion and charisma are worth more than technical skills
>As marketing is to a product, charisma is to oneself
>Hard work doesn't pay
>Sexual attraction of both genders and likeability can be ignited by well chosen behaviors, love isn't a mysterious higher force