Let's get a Christian thread going

i'm my own branch of catholicism.

So the majority of people on earth will not go to heaven, all because they weren't as lucky as you to be born into a religious family (well, not the right one anyway).
And if God judges people based on their knowledge of Christ (the typical religious answer), meaning he doesn't punish people who never even heard of Jesus, aren't they getting off easy? They are the lucky ones who never even had to get tested.

>a benevolent god would play these experiments on humans, experiments that would be considered psychopathic if a human created them on earth

An all powerful benevolent god cannot exist because of the MILLIONS of years of suffering on earth, a lot of it has nothing to do with human free-will.
A god that has created this world might be all powerful, but definitely not all benevolent. He is either evil, indifferent, or incompetent.

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I'm going to split your wig, you dumb catholic bitch.

hey aero waddup, is your dick finally getting smaller?

>Catholics
>rednecks
Rednecks are Protestant though

Non-human animals had to suffer on earth for millions of years just like humans. What kind of god would punish other people and animals for a sin they themselves have nothing to do with?

That's not a benevolent being.

What does that mean? Elaborate, weirdo.

that's exactly what i just said lol
lutheranism is the reason we have rednecks and altrighters. i'm a catholic.

One of the most common Christianity memes is something along the lines of
>God loves most the one who suffers the most
Is God tsundere?

God made animals mindless and innocent, humans were like that too before they gained forbidden knowledge and self awareness (a divine power) when they committed the original sin.

Humans sinned in their perfect state, living in harmony with god, now we are cursed with the ability to think things like "what kind of God does X".

Did you know God barely interacts with the Earth at this present time? I don't blame him.

I'm gonna bust your cheeks you dumb brainlet.

He's probably just some FSSP Larper.

>brainlet
>follows the cult of modern science

Get a grip.

Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice. Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me--practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Philippians 4:5-9 ESV

Just posting my favorite verse is all.

If you don't stop with the nonsense and the reddit spacing I'm gonna cut you open and let you bleed to death like a pig.

>God made animals mindless and innocent, humans were like that too before they gained forbidden knowledge and self awareness (a divine power)
Self-awareness is not something animals either have or don't, it's a spectrum, some animals have it more than others (humans, primates, dolphins have it more than insects).
Some humans (like the severely mentally challenged or severely autistic) have less self-awareness than primates or dolphins.

>now we are cursed with the ability to think things like "what kind of God does X".
I don't see how that solves anything tho. Simply saying that "we are cursed to ask a nonsensical thing" without explaining why it's nonsensical is a cop out.

I'd like to see you try, tough man on the internet.

Why don't you stop being so unreasonable and edgy. This is a Christian thread, you should be aware God is watching.

Right, lol! BTW, make sure you read the new testament.

I'm a catholic and this statement is retarded

What you going to do? Turn the other cheek? Yeah I thought so, BITCH.

I like to read religious texts too, including the bhagavad gita and the quran, it's definitely interesting.
I don't can't see how you can actually believe any of those are inspired by a supposedly all benevolent all powerful being.

>i'm my own branch of catholicism.
So you're an independent Protestant?

Everything you are saying is a logic bound to language, particularly English. It has no basis in reality.

There is no God here, only me. I will be the judge of your souls.

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Solipsist...

Explain then.
Don't you think it's a red flag when people say that their beliefs defy logic?
Not trying to insult you (seriously), but that's what cults do.

I like to believe that god is out there. It helps me feel like even when things are glum that that after I pray things will get better soon and that's what happened last night.

Shut up or get some, you dumb peon.

But user, the appeal to a specific kind of logic is something that the cult of modern science does.

Listen man, I'm not even a believer. I used to think like you when I was younger. I am just weighing other perspectives. But ironically these atheists and guys who think they are so "logical" are just as religious, if not more so, than a Catholic.

They don't defy logic, they transcend logic.

>Empirical and reproducible evidence based knowledge compounded upon by centuries and centuries of research
Vs
>Book written by the hand of men, mistranslated and edited over thousands of years used many times to simply control the peasant population

Hmm, who's the brainlet again? Just because your feeble mind can't understand a concept doesn't make it false.

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You do realize you can make many experiments of your own?

Modern science is fucking Jewish as shit man. It's nearly identical to what Jews believed before it was adopted by the mainstream pop.

It keeps proles in line far more than Christianity ever did. Spiritually dead and nihilistic, they have nothing but the dollar to worship.

>nihilistic
But user-kun, I'm not.

>I used to think like you when I was younger.
Sure, plenty of people did that, and plenty of people did the reverse (and considering that the global trend is for people to move away from religion, we probably have more people transitioning away from religion than away from atheism).
Not saying that you were implying that young people are atheists and then they grow up or anything, tho.

>I am just weighing other perspectives.
I like to think I'm weighing different perspectives too. I tried to achieve many religious experiences to know what it was all about and had interesting experiences. I'm just not convinced that what I had was of transcendental origin as opposed to constructed by my brain is all.

No shit, but science can't explain transcendental stuff, i.e why do we exist, what is the universe, the Bible has all the answers, and they make sense. Too bad nobody fucking reads it or understands it, they just parrot what the cult of modern science has to say and its so ingrained in their heads that all religions are complete lies that they will never even think about considering the other side

But people from different religious backgrounds with beliefs systems that completely contradict yours are going to say the same thing for their beliefs. Don't you think this kind of thinking is a red flag?

>sky fairy discussion
lol, pathetic

Here's some real science if you want it.

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>why do we exist, what is the universe, the Bible has all the answers, and they make sense. Too bad nobody fucking reads it or understands it
Go back to tumblr, special snowflake.

I feel you but I think it's worth it to engage with different viewpoints with respect and trying to understand the other side. That's what I'm trying to do.

>why do we exist
The Bible: God did it.
Stupid brainlet: Wow, mind = blown.
I could explain to you why your question is flawed, but I don't think you have the intelligence to fathom what I'm saying.

It's ironically the other way around. You have no idea where I am coming from or what my thought process is you arrogant neckbeard.

"My intelligence is unfathomable". Get a hold of yourself.

So you can everything at face value, brainlet?

>Too bad nobody fucking reads it or understands it
Was this you?

>It's ironically the other way around.
Typical of a moronic brainlet to simply reply with "no u".

Let me guess, you don't know anything about neuroscience, you read an article saying "less brain activity a specific area = bad", and went with it?

Religious experiences can be elicited in the lab, some of them require more brain activation on certain areas (especially the limbic ones) some other require the temporary shutting down of "hubs" in the brain that integrate information.

It's cure that you think "liberals have less activity in a specific part of the brain responsible for belief in god, so they are wrong" tho

No. Every world view is founded on faith. Even rationalism. To have a world view at all is to tare a leap to faith. There has to be a reason for logic to exist, and Christians believe that God validates logic. Rationalist believe that logic just exists, but in this case nothing can validate it because you can't use logic to validate itself because that is begging the question and you just end up with cyclical reasoning. Reason cannot validate itself. But, the same goes for god. You cannot use go to validate reason because you end up with the same cyclical reasoning. In that God validates reason and reason validates god. So at some point you have to make your decision as to which world view you choose. You have to make a leap to faith in both cases. A Christian has faith in god, and a rationalist has faith in reason.

Logic requires axioms which are assumptions, you dumb brainlet.

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Go back to r`ddit pls. You're retarded and not making any arguments other than "its stupid." When you want to make an argument you have to either present premises that lead to a conclusion, or refute a premise in someone else's argument, making their conclusion invalid. You have not done either and just REEEEEEd about your superior intellect. Fuck off

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If you want to go with the idea that any belief requires some faith somewhere because no axiom is self-justifying, fine. But that doesn't mean that all belief systems require the same amount of faith and that all axioms are equivalent.
Adding the notion of a god just increases the amount of faith you are required to have. Also you are using reason as well to formulate your thought process that led you to believe in god. It seems to me you are using reason just as much, but adding unnecessary complexity that requires more faith.

At least that's the way I feel about it.

He's soi as fuck. As it is said: "Cast not your pearls afore swine, lest they trample them and turn to rend ye"

"God did it" is not an explanation.

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Are you blaming Jews(religious) for tainting science? I mean it doesn't really matter, you can't warp science like you can religion, they are objective truths based on reproducible evidence. The best you can do is stop certain areas from being scientifically explored. If you derive your morals from religion, you probably weren't a good person to begin with. It is perfectly possible to be a good human being without believing in a greater power. Or rather you believe the greater power is yourself, meaning you are solely responsible for you actions and consequences.

What are you implying? That we're being brainwashed by magnets?

My world is bound by logic, because everything is patterns of cause and effect. I consider other viewpoints, but only if they at least have a portion of logic to back them up. For instance I understand the religious that use it as a coping mechanism for dealing with difficult situations.

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Shut up you dumb little reddit bitch.

Can you please just ignore rude posters and actually engage with the anons who want to have an actual exchange of ideas?

For example, genuine question: how do you solve the problem of suffering/evil?
Millions of years of suffering (a lot of it nothing to do with human-free will) on earth doesn't seem to go hand in hand with the idea of a benevolent creator.

The problem of suffering has always been a major obstacles for me, can you tell me whether you think you have a valid answer to it?

Jewish nepotism, bias, deliberately distorting true things and hiding it from the populace, like the truth about Neanderthals, they cover that up so it goes with the Marxist agenda, render science far from being an "objective truth". Sure we can all agree the apple falls from the tree, but you are a fool if you think you can trust anything perceived authority says these days.

Okay so your argument is that axioms validate logic. Axioms exist within the laws of logic and therefore you are using logic to validate itself, which is fallacious and not a valid argument. The funny part is that was exactly what I said in my post and yet you still did it.

Reminder this thread is being raided by reprobates. Their punishment will come. The Lord will avenge.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:28-32

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>the truth about Neanderthals
retard detected.

To be alive is to suffer, a lifeform is constantly fighting the forces around it to survive, even on a microscopic level, such as oxidization and genetic damage. God makes us suffer to make our souls greater.

We can use arguments to lead us to the probability of God's existence though. There are good arguments that give justification for the leap to faith. And it's not the same as say believing in a teapot that exists somewhere in outer space. There aren't really any probable arguments you could make for that, but plenty you can make for God and christianity

It's funny how they can't help themselves.
They could easily just ignore it and let Christians have our own space, but they have to come in and start conflicts.

No, axioms are assumptions. Logical conclusions are based on ASSUMPTIONS. It's not validated by anything.
Rationality on the other hand, is simply the way we think, and the only way we can think. It's validated by our ability to understand.
When little Augustin makes a logical argument for the existence of God, it's irrational because he's not saying anything that can be understood. A perfect being? What is that? It's just a linguistic trick like A = A. It has no meaning.

When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Luke 13:25-27

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But I don't understand how certain types of suffering makes souls greater tho. Like animals having their bones crushed by a predator or starving somewhere for million of years. Or a baby dying a slow death because of cancer.
Why is this required to make the soul greater? Couldn't this happen without the suffering, or at least without the completely pointless one (like the one not related to free-will)?

To me it seems like a story we tell ourselves to cope with the suffering that exists (which is understandable and even useful given how much evil exists in the world), not what you would expect to be created from an all benevolent being.
Not trying to be arrogant or anything, just telling it the way I see it.

Kek, i just hope this whole shite is ironic : How can you mental gymnastic it with the fact that your god could simply not have allowed/determined humanity into suffering yet he still did, knowing about what would happen ?

Apparently, this is "Love" for your subservient minds.

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Neanderthals were far smarter than the modern man (far bigger brains and prefrontal cortex, the seat of civilization) but were driven to extinction from the aggressively deadly Homo Sapiens migrating out of Africa, because they had small tribes and a very small population. There was species mixing and this created Asians and Caucasians. The mixed hominids then settled down from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle and agriculture started.

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If Neanderthals evolved in colder climates, why would they be hairless like modern humans who evolved in Africa?

Animals don't have souls, some of them may appear more smarter than others but God made humans above them by bestowing them with a soul, they are entirely fleshy and mortal. Humans are like that too, unless they find favor with God, they die and go into oblivion.

I don't know why natural evil like earthquakes and shit exist. I'm just not learned enough to make an argument and I'll admit that. Natural evil is probably my biggest hangup about Christianity right now too. But that's not to say that arguments for its existence haven't been made. That's one that takes a lot of research and understanding to argue for because there are a lot of terms to separate and define. I wish I could make an argu,entry but I'm not smart enough to yet

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Can you explain to me how Adam and Eve are even guilty? They didn't know what good and evil was. How could they have known that disobeying god was evil? Did they understand the consequences? How could beings who have never seen death understand what it was? Also, was the punishment befitting the supposed crime? They got charged for a crime that they didn't have the capacity to understand at the time.
the fall of man was an inside gig. God set us up, ya'll.

They can't help themselves because their hearts hate God. It is literally in their nature. Just hope God changes their heart of stone into a heart of flesh.
Here's a perfect example of reprobates who attack what is good and from God: youtu.be/N1BYqLV4twg

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They wore clothing, like furs in the picture. They also are very cold adapted in their features, like their respiration system. White skin came from low sunlight, blue eyes/blonde hair originally came from them, although some populations had black, wavy hair.

>They wore clothing, like furs in the picture.
If they needed clothing then clearly they didn't evolve in Europe.
Do you think a WOOLY rhino or a mammoth would have survived without their fur?

I appreciate the honesty in admitting that you don't know. It means that you have good intentions and you are thinking for yourself.

Here is a good civil debate between a christian and an atheist on the problem of suffering. I feel like it summarises the various arguments for an against pretty well.
Hopefully it's going to be useful to you, one way or the other.

youtube.com/watch?v=Lfkb10i2S9I&ab_channel=AtheistvsTheistDebates

Fuck off with your dumb reddit spacing you stupid cuck.

They mostly lived in the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and parts of Russia. Note that these areas were temperate in the Ice Age, the North was a desolate, unlivable wasteland. They actually migrated south at the start of an Ice Age.

Why so angry? just trying to relate to other anons and engage with respect.

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>They mostly lived in the Mediterranean, the Middle East, and parts of Russia.
No. They lived in Europe and Northern Russia.

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AFAIK brain size has little correlation with intelligence. It has more to do with neural density. Alas we know very little about brains in general so it's difficult to say whether your conspiracy theory is true.

Regardless, you can't use one flimsy example to explain away empirical evidence based knowledge.

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he's angry because all the testosterone is getting to his head.

Christianity is a kike religion that has kikes as god's chosen people and no other race is even mentioned. It's a religion for sandnigger dunemonkeys by sandnigger dunemonkeys.

If you yearn for spirituality then follow your ancestors religion. Dont fall for the kike tricks.

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Let there be light.

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Christians are low test weakling basedboys.

Interestingly, people who have and especially had before they were born lots of testosterone are more likely to be atheists and less likely to be religious than those who only had or have little.

Interestingly, IMMA BEAT YOUR ASS YOU DUMB AMERIMUTT:

lol good one. christianity is practically based around the jews being fucking assholes and jesus coming to correct their mistakes. the jews were selfish and thought they would get into heaven no matter what, for example, and jesus taught them your actions in life determine your fate in death