Why aren't you vegan yet?

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Hmm...

all posts that aren't mine are made by an elaborate multi-device samefag

i've never seen a true and justified argument to not be vegan, it's all insults and claims never supported by reality. people will come up with any sort of bullshit to justify the fact that they're murdering and torturing 100's of sentient beings every year for no reason other than pleasure and convenience.

>justify the fact that they're murdering and torturing 100's of sentient beings
That being wrong is all subjective bullshit, I'd eat your sister if it would benefit my health. What needs to be argued is if it does benefit my health or not.

Do you even know what efficient means?
If we assume you are a vegan by proxy, you consume more vegetation (via eating animals) than a vegan due to trophic levels. More input (plants) for the same output (gains)

You are LESS efficient.
Meatcucks eternally BTFO

>Muh feelings
You're just too much of a pussy to eat something that once had a face.

>correlation
Will smoking Newports and drinking malt liquor turn me into a nigger?

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>what is using different ips
pls go alex, i already know that you are flipping a switch and getting a new ip

This.

I have noticed vegans tend to use this fallacy quite frequently.

Depends on if you mean nigger as in a person who exhibits a type of behaviour or if you mean nigger as in a black person.

If the former: yes
If the latter: no, and you're a racist bigot :^)

>triggered by the word nigger on Jow Forums
I honestly don't mind that you don't eat meat I just wish vegans weren't so sensitive

/Thread

I'll go vegan if you leftists stop murdering innocent babies. Deal?

>is such a faggot he can't handle a joke

Deal. I'm vegan and anti-abortion.

>oh no muh murder muh torture
99% of animal deaths in the wild are worse than anything factory farming inflicts, get real

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Can someone post the goddamn studies please.

Beyond vegans being leaner cuz they can't eat enough to gain weight, the extra test should be less than if you took a sample of lean, athletic people.

Vegans are more likely to exercise where non-vegans include everyone else.

It's kinda like saying "people surveyed in this thread think OP is a faggot vs people on Reddit think OP deserves love and affection".

It's all about control samples.

You'd have to go apples to apples

>because worse things happen it's okay to do bad things
Literal retard. Anime watching is a disorder.

>Beyond vegans being leaner cuz they can't eat enough to gain weight,
half of the vegans i know are overweight because they eat nothing but french fries and nachos

Check'd.

May a milk maid be in your future.

>you're a racist and a bigot
Nice one I keked hard

aww sweaty
get back to me when you convince bears to not eat their prey alive from the guts up

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
This one shows vegans have higher test. Confounding factors are accounted for. I won't be posting many studies itt because every single thread studies get posted and I can't be fucked looking shit up this time.

No, no, no

OP said vegans. Not "Californians"

And what the hell are you doing with your life such that you know more than one vegan?

Crossfit? Running one of those stores that they charge you double for veggies?

>because bears eat their young sometimes I can eat meat daily
What is this bullshit? At least you made me smile.

i live in california and i know two vegans
shut up

>he doesn't know about the predation habits of bears
bit cats and wolves tend to go for the throat
predatory primates and bears tend to incapacitate their prey and eat the liver first.

So when you read this, it should become clear that their bodies are overcompensating for insulin with testosterone.

It's probably for the best, but that doesn't difinitively make it better or worse.

check out 1:15
youtube.com/watch?v=K-Tfq6dARGk

Cucks of the same feather fly together

Want to try explaining yourself?

>correlation equals causation
Have you considered that vegans are more active than the average amerifat?

Because
>I was for a couple years and it sucked for me
>Whole and healthy foods is about 1x10^99 times more important than anything else
>T function isn't just T levels, that's not measuring for example for example androgen receptor sensitivity (receptors in muscle tissue are key to actually getting anabolic effects) or DHT (which is important in male development, CNS function and strength, and is synthesised from DHT meaning low levels of DHT can be characterised by higher levels of T)
>Like literally every nutritional study, another with the opposite findings could be conducted
>That's not even mentioning the most basic biases of lower BMI, more exercise and more whole food intake on average in vegan groups

Also, irrelevant, but I met a lot of vegans in that time and the group as a whole functions like a cult

This. Compare them with an active Jow Forumsizen and you'll see that vegans are much worse off.

It's not hard to be healthier than your average burger.

>the group as a whole functions like a cult
Also, I find that vegans are almost always globalists / pushing for big government, and devout feminists. What's up with THAT?

Read the Communist Manifesto (I'm not calling them commies, they're usually just useful idiots).

im not retarded

Oh I can tell they're useful idiots alright, I just don't get why they're also vegans. I also don't think that them not realizing that they are being possessed by an ideology makes them any better than someone who willingly chooses it.

Communists need to be thrown off of helicopters in either case.

So, as a non-vegan, which I assume all or most of these people were at some point, their bodies became adjusted to a certain level of food/nutrient absorption.

When you cut the extra carbs and eat a high fiber diet, the level of available nutrients goes down.

The body doesn't have high insulin anymore cuz you don't eat carbs or say fats so the body doesn't know what to do.

It bumps up the test because that's the only way to get the body to function as it did before veganism.

We'd need to see results of second or third gen vegans to see if it's a natural thing or a side effect of switching.

I'd also like to see an exhaustive list (obv short) of vegans who've had success in the fitness industry before even considering switching.

Correlation does not equal causation. Your reasoning is fallacious.

These are great reasons to doubt a causal link.

You're already low iq friend. I wouldn't stress over it.

Again, I think the Manifesto is an obligatory read. To quote it:
>"[Communists] openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions"

Studies have shown vegan diet decreases test and increases chances of HIV

It also makes you white, and a woman.

>We'd need to see results of second or third gen vegans
lmfao

Somewhat ashamedly I can admit that it's easy to gain a false sense of worth and accomplishment for being part of something you believe to be important, feel special and entitled. And when you get positive feedback loops surrounding this it acts to entrench those beliefs and let one easily feel superior by playing the underdog card; almost putting in place a dichotomy of "us vs the world" in much the same way globalists in their own minds, I'm sure, are fighting against some all-powerful old guard that is nonetheless inferior to them because they clearly aren't so enlightened and intelligent to share the same viewpoints.

In a word, narcissism.

I like the taste of meat.

Good counter argument.

Take your special olympics medal and go play with your shit elsewhere

>if you disregard retards they win
Are you a leaf?

I don't believe in futile ventures.

Well yes, that's my entire point. Don't know why you felt the need to restate it. Are you a leaf?

No I'm not. I dont want dumb south Americans to burn down more rainforest so I can get quinoa, you know the only complete protein source for vegans

i've never seen a true and justified argument to be vegan it's all insults and claims never supported by reality. people will come up with any sort of bullshit to justify the fact that they're murdering and torturing 100's of sentient beings every year for no reason other than pleasure and convenience.

I'm American and would guess by your shitposting that you're either a leaf or strayan.

Change my mind

>Conflating morals and feelings
>I'd rob and kill people if it were legal
Careful with the edge

>Vegan master race
>Eat less protein than I did on omni diet
>Make same gains
>Healthier
>More ethical
>Smarter than corpse munchers

Why would anyone not be vegan?

this made me kek and jej bretty hard

>higher t
That’s not possible unless the control Group was eating potato chips and mcdonalds all day. Post the study.

Veganism is very healthy for you. It tests better than vegetarian's and meat eaters alike.

>Implying the average Jow Forums lurker can pay attention to a doctor for one hour.
The presenter in this video does a great job of making it entertaining while making a great case for veganism.
youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

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Because I don't enjoy African-American penises in my anus.

I always wear a condom, so you've got yourself a deal.

>Rabbits eat their own feces, so humans should also eat their own feces
If you want to use animal behavior as a guide to your own, be my guest

Lol Crossfitters are all about Paleo, not veganism. They are the epitome of
>muh steak, bacon, and eggs for breakfast

I like chicken, turkey and a good steak. Granted I eat a shit ton of vegetables and I'm trying to get better at cooking salmon

That is not the face of a high T male

I too graduated middleschool. Using this argument without a basis makes you look like a retard, user. Stop it.

Post studies.