Can people without depression truly understand?

How many times do you exercice a week?
Do you feel more fit than before?
Do you feel healthy physically?
What do you eat on a typical day?
At what frequence do you go to therapy?
What do you generally talk about in therapy?

depression is a fucking meme bro

Do you actually have friends/family members with whom you can talk about things you talk about on r9k? This one is very important

I dont think I am trying very hard. I am exhausted and always just want to end it and have the easy way out. I dont know how to essentially change my attitude into wanting to carry on in life, in the end I still want to end it.
3 times a week, Im decently fit and decently healthy. I eat good foods and mostly vegetables/protein. Go to therapy once a week, talk about whats bothering me to which I respond with "I dont really know, I just dont want to be here. "
It sounds really stupid and I know it is but what the fuck is this user.
My family hates me and I have one friend who tells me

>Can people without depression truly understand?
No. Your brain, and the brains of all people suffering from clinical forms of depression, is defective. Your perception of the world is through a chemically altered lense compared to the rest of the populace.
The good news is that you can live productively despite this, either by seeking clinical treatment, altering your lifestyle so as to compensate or force you to behave in spite of your altered mental state, or both.
I find levying your anxiety and self-loathing is a particularly strong tool. Use one of your good days to engineer a situation in which you'll have to perform or risk extreme negative feedback from yourself, such as by taking on responsibilities involving other people. You may feel no reward for your altered behavior, but avoidance of your own penalty is a reward in and of itself.

After a long enough time forcibly altering your behavior, your brain chemistry will alter itself along the same lines, alleviating the root cause of depressive symptoms. There's no saying how long this will take and no guarantee of how strong the effects will be, though.

Yeah it's pretty obvious why nothing is getting better, you have no tribe. You don't have friends and a support system and you don't open up during therapy. The first step is opening up during therapy and really draining every single thing that's in your brain.

What is a typical question your therapist asks that you answer with " I don't really know"?

Yeah man.
Normans dont know real depression and even psychologists think that you are memeing when you are depressed like chads as well.

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I really like this answer. Somehow you make "its just chemicals" sound not degrading to what I usually hear. Thank you user... however, how does one find the will to truly pursue a bettering of self kind of lifestyle? This is definitely the hardest step to genuinely perform.
When I "drain" I hear how stupid I sound despite completely believing in what I say so I end up slowly saying less and less. My therapist usually says something like "So did anything bother you recently, even a small thing and why do you think it did?" or asking about stresses in life which at this point I have none besides fighting the depression.

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I don't know if I have depression. It sounds like me and it might be true but I can't stand self diagnosing faggots so I won't become one. Gonna get myself checked out soon.

>I dont think I am trying very hard. I am exhausted and always just want to end it and have the easy way out. I dont know how to essentially change my attitude into wanting to carry on in life, in the end I still want to end it.
this is the same thing that many people go through, and im going through something very similar as im trying to rid myself of brain fog and similar mental incapacities. But don't you see how crucial this is?
what do you want more? the easy way out or to live the life you want? the choice truly is yours, and that you stick to your wants and see through to the best of your ability that you get it is the next essential step. you have to choose, user. living in a mindstate where you dont care for yourself or your wants is a large part of what drives depression
Also, if you dont try hard, why are you exhausted? this and similar unreasonable feelings are what I had to sort out by myself and set straight. Reflect on how you feel and do what you want. Seeing as how you seem physically healthy, you need some social/mental stimulation. do you have any hobbies? think about getting one

have you tried making fun of yourself to the point where you bully yourself out of it?

There is no life I particularly want. I have many things set out for me that I could do but I prefer not to do any of them. I cant understand why other than just looping back to wanting to kill myself because of depression. Its some big meme endless loop that doesnt make any sense and makes me believe that god is trying to test me. I have multiple hobbies but mainly listening to music/reading/rock climbing/drawing/vidya/biking.
I never feel lonely too so I never seek a relationship. Ive had one once and she was lovely but I eventually pushed her off for no reason.
Tried this a lot especially through highschool. This doesnt really help, I just call myself stupid and in the end I end up genuinely getting bullied by myself and feeling worse. I think im too emotionally driven

You have stresses in life, you just fear sounding like a baby and a female because you've been conditioned. Let it all out, if you saw a couple and it bothered you, talk about it. If you saw a man screaming at his child at walmart and it bothered you, talk about it. You just keep that shit inside because being tough is the only thing you got going for you. I know because I'm exactly the same. Literally everyone has stresses, men are just conditionned to ignore them because of " just man up bro ". Manning up was good advice a while ago when all you had to do was go to the factory, eat, shit and piss. But now we're in fucking different times, we need to open up my friend. The men who didn't open up have been succesfully programmed or committed suicide.

>>WAAHHh I'm depressed! It's not as easy as thinking constructively to get out of this rut! I mean I havent even tried, but I'm already exhausted! I won't let myself be happy.. (hmmmmmmmmmmmm)
>Do you want to have the easy way out or do you want to live the way that your potential allows?
>>I dont want anything. I just want to not to do anything lol. I know its a completely unreasonable meme ! but HELP! haha!
you dont want to change. stop wasting everyone's time

Sorry-- I just don't know how to want to change. This is what I mean by depression and being stuck.
Even when I do talk I feel as if I dont really release anything, those sorts of things dont bother me and I dont think anything truly does.

Sorry for my stupid problems robots.

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They aren't stupid problems user. I know you'll feel like you don't release anything at first, but you have to practice at first. And I know you don't feel like practicing, I've been there. To get out of depression, you have to force yourself. It's the only way brother. And you won't feel the benefits right away. One day, you'll wake up and you'll think to yourself, oh fuck how did I get so smart all of a sudden. It's unexpected but you have to force yourself user. Please believe me, I beg you. I've been there, just do it man. You just can't see it because you're in an altered state, this is not the real you brother, you are great.

>I just don't know how to want to change
you already know youre lying to yourself. do you realize that youre lying to people who want to help you?
figure out what you actually want before making another useless post.

>however, how does one find the will to truly pursue a bettering of self kind of lifestyle
You have to start by correcting as much of your defective brain chemistry as you can by corrective action alone. Generally, that means seeking clinical help and/or forcing yourself to operate in society, forcibly rewiring the reward system in your brain to whatever extent you can. Hopefully you can get far enough through that, that you can realistically set goals and pursue them for yourself.
After that, its just a question of finding increasingly larger and more complex goals for what you want out of your life and using your now mostly-functional non-retard brain to pursue them as a healthy human would. I empathize with the inability to find motivation for self-improvement from a background of depression; philosophy and a rediscovery of what some people would call 'traditional' life values have helped me immensely in determining the path I want to pursue.
What broke me out of the depressive defective mindset in the first place was getting a job for 2 years and having no choice but to live within a constructive routine and combat my anxiety and social problems at work.
By the end of it, I'd lost my virginity, my social anxiety, my truly fucking awful haircut and general incompetence where it comes to grooming, and also learned that I excel at manipulating naive peoples which I am dedicated to trying to keep a cap on.

How do you rewire the reward system?

Forcing yourself to behave along regular constructive social patterns. Eat, Sleep Excercise correctly, consistent positive social interaction, physically go outside, get some physical affection regularly if you can, etc.
All of these things are supposed to set your reward system during your developmental years, but psychological and/or physiological trauma can fuck it up and that's the cause of clinical depression. The other cause is genetics, which are major factors in about 40% of clinical depression cases, for which you can't necessarily do shit besides take medication (depending on the severity of symptoms).
Depression is effectively your brain's addiction to its own reward chemicals, and like any addiction it loses sensitivity to the effects very quickly when they're overloaded. Also like addiction, there's no way to treat the root biological cause, you can only treat symptoms and force yourself to undergo corrective behavior until the addiction ends physiologically.

Just give up bro. External conditions aren't going to change what happiness state a person defaults to which is why you see these poor people who are still happy. It's just that people like us always innately return to a state of unhappiness for which there's no cure.

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The solution is to bee yourself and fake it 'til you make it.

>External conditions aren't going to change what happiness state a person defaults to
That's scientifically, demonstrably incorrect

true

actually man depression can be based on your feelings inside not what happens outside.

Could be rich ect and have bicthes and still an hero

Fighting depression is like loosing your virginity, when you do it it seems impossible, once youve ove it you feel stupid because now it seems so easy

Go show your proofs that disprove the hedonistic treadmill then. And more importantly, I haven't felt any better despite having gotten a job and started making money. It was then that I realized the futility of it all.

>Could be rich ect and have bicthes and still an hero
everyone who thinks happiness = riches and bitches is retarded. People need to find the right goals for themselves. I spend 90% of my life miserable but on those rare occassions I get out camping on my own I find I'm happy, more happy than money and women have ever made me feel.

There was meant to be a point about finding the correct external factors to maximise your happiness there but I don't think I got it across.

No, they really can't. Normalfags think depression is like being unhappy and/or mildly discontent. They don't understand that it can be heartwrenchingly painful and radiate out into your body from the core of your being as a real physical pain, feeling totally trapped and helplessness in it becuase literally nothing brings you not, or the total and absolute lack of energy to the point where you can spend months pretty much just lying in bed without ever showering even as you develop sores from it.
Only tangentially realted but I want to murder the type of person who says psychedelics "cured" their depression or anxiety. I can virtually guarantee you they belong to the former mildly unhappy and discontent camp and never had any idea what the fuck they were talking about.

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fuck off norman.

we will never be heappy, it just doesnt happen.

you dont get it.
some people are depressed for NO REASON.

No matter what a true depressed user pursues and achieves he will be sad.

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>fighting depression is like loosing your virginity
this is a board of depressed virgins, this advice is moot.

>I want to choke them
youve never choked anything except your dick,how embarassing, just die please

>you're depressed because you sleep all day
I sleep all day because I can't stand being awake for so long

>your depressed because your sleep and wake cycle.

What a bullshit, im sick of these doctors hitting me with normie shit

I don't talk about it to people anymore. I just make jokes about depression occasionally. It's pointless trying to make them understand, OP. Just give up and kill yourself.

What if you don't want to cure your depression and just want to die?
At no point in my life have i ever thought "yeah i want to become a normalfag".

>1. Opening up to an actual human being

>open up to someone
>"HOLY SHIT YOUR DEPRESSED WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO BE DEPRESSED ABOUT I SAW YOU LAUGHING THE OTHER DAY YOU CAN'T BE DEPRESSED I'M THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE DEPRESSED I BEEN THROUGH TOUGHER SHIT THAN YOU BUT I'M NOT A WHINER LIKE YOU I DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU AND THIS IS HOW YOU REPAY ME WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU WAS I A BAD MOTHER WHY DO YOU HATE ME user?"

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depression convinces you that there are no options. it also convinces you that its eating away chunks of your being. both of these things are false illusions. sad truth is, getting better requires effort and depression steals your motivation. try to force yourself, in a loving way, little by little, baby steps. get help. try to reward yourself for little achievements. its hard in your state to achieve anything so getting through the day is a small victory in itself. maybe change your routine a bit, just do different things. ive been there, i know. every piece of advice sounds hollow and generic. but brains are plastic and they can be re programmed to an extent. some cases will be more severe, obviously, but symptoms can always at least be relieved a little. medication can help. stay strong and lots of love

user, you wrote something that may have helped anons... I like it

If you're so sure you can't get better and won't accept any advice and help from people that care about you just kill yourself OP, and stop complaining about the people who are trying to help you on a anonymous forum.

Tbh it IS just that fucking easy

Literally just go outside and do shit

t. Guy who was depressed for almost two years

I spent most of my youth being depressed and constantly having mental breakdowns but it suddenly all went away after a while, probably due to conditioning from my lifelong imaginary friend.
Every single person I meet now has some form of depression they won't shut up about and I'm not sure how the fuck I'm supposed to help them so they can be properly communicable again.

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>cant even lurk for more than 15/20 minutes without getting bored and laying back and stare at my cealing
>have not eaten in 4 days (prob lost around 20 pounds)
>just lay in bed and drink water go take a piss when needed
>have not taken a shower for over a week (witch is the last time i went outside)
>im so fucking afraid all the time i do not even know why
>cant fucking cry any more
prob going back to bed for few more hours untill come back here to check for (you)s

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(you)

Organico

You know what honestly helped me? Jordan Peterson 12 rules for life. It might seem reddit tier, but look past the memes and read it and take it in. It helped me in bad times and it will help you too

i think it's silly to shower on a daily basis, usually i shower ever second day, but i don't do that much anyway. have a good sleep user and enjoy your (you)

T. normie

Real depressed fags are depressed from child hood

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Depressed person here, they're right.
You're not depressed, you're feeling sad for yourself because your life isn't the ideal amazing lifestyle you thought it'd be. You're faced with sadness and hardship and you gave up. It's not about feeling sad or not being motivated, it's about being a pussy bitch who tells themselves such things to avoid responsibility and accepting that life is shitty.

You are simply weak.

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Yeah user listen to teh user I message below me.

Being sad because your life has become shit isnt always depression you are right.

I wouldnt call him weak but he can certainly improve his life.

if your depressed cos bad life you can fix it, depressed cos your brains fucked your fucked

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I know it, I came out of it, because acctually depression is usually not logic based, it is not so easy to just get out, altough this is kind of what you need to/can do

>someone who has never had real depression before

I tried all of that and none of it helped. Only medication keeps me somewhat stable and able to live a semi-functioning life.

You're seeing things through altered lens. You don't want to die, your depression is telling you that.

If you don't want to deal with assholes, you can talk to a therapist. And if you don't have the funds for one, I really have nothing else to tell you other than normie-tier advice like finding friends through your job/school/hobbies. Exercice and practicing a sport can help.

This, so much.

The state of actual clinical depression is the equivalent to a mental mirage of horrors. I spent 8 years going through horrible depression and anxiety. I finally got committed to a psych ward and ended up doing an almost complete 180.

What happened in the psych ward that made you change?

I define myself by misery.
I am the incarnation of depression.
I have barely any positive thoughts at all.

Do you also sleep enough, i heard it is kind of important.
Do you have a regualted day?
Do you have work?
Do you have a hobby project?

1-4 are probbably also important, but I got out without them.
I really just got out, when I was able to work and programm as a hobby. And I was not useless sitting at home, but always had a goal.(Finding that fucking Bug)
Also I was forced to go to work and back and interact with other humans. Also I had a mental change, from a depressing cosmic nihilism to a "I can't believe how serious poeple take shit and how I have done, also there is always an exit if I really fail" nihilism(downside: I laugh about things when poeple are shocked or disgusted, making them think something is wrong with me(yes, probbably is))

Is depression even real? It feel like an excuse I'm just lazy with no ambition or desires. I think that's pretty normal.

if it was only depression
i can work with depression
i brush my teeth depressed. sleep depressed etc
anxiety and paranoia and sudden panic attacks are fucking horrific
yesterday my chest hurt so much i thought i was having a heart attack.

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>get therapy for it
>be put on medication for 3+ years
>therapy also went on for 3+ years
>constantly just talking and talking about problems and stuff
>finally off of them
>about 2 years pass
>i feel like im back into shit
But this time it's not even really the same kind of ''serious'' depression I had back then, I can be happy at times, I can joke, laugh but I'm usually still completely isolated, constantly sleepy or tired, I feel unreal as fuck almost 24/7, everything around me feels foggy and like a surreal dream, can enjoy anything I do anymore AGAIN.

What do I make of this guys? Is the condition regressing again or something? It doesn't even feel like 'depression' at this point for me, it literally just feels like I got red pilled onto how shitty the world and everything else actually is, it's more like im bitter or tired or disappointed in how the world seems to work and i just don't want to take any part in it.

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I was put on an anti depressant (lexapro) and gabapentin for anxiety. They also kept me there for two weeks and got me set up with counselors and therapists. I had to put in a ton of work to get to where I am, but so glad I did it.

It's probably returning a bit but since you've learnt from the last time, it doesn't feel as bad comparatively

The main misconception about Depression is that it's hard to get out of because it cripples you,but in reality it's hard to get out of because it's extremely comfortable.
It's an excuse you can give yourself every time you don't wanna do something, that doesn't mean the depression doesn't exist, but it feeds the stagnation that it feeds off of, perpetuating itself.

You can "Just snap out of it", that is a thing (unless we are talking chemically induced depression).
It's not easy at all, making the first steps is vaulting a wall and then avoiding a relapse is like walking in quicksand, but it can be done.
A good support system (not a retard hugbox group that tells you everything is ok) helps a lot.

I don't know if it was depression, but there was a point last semester where I was getting overwhelmed by my schoolwork and was very unmotivated, but all of a sudden during class I had a huge sudden change in attitude and mood and motivation that lead me to start doing better.
I don't think it's something that I could purposely induce, it just sort of happened immediately, as if it was some sort of survival mechanism that sensed that I would die if I didn't start doing what I needed to do.

Our entire environment seems designed to make us dwell on a lot of terrible things and become slaves to compulsions and economic needs-it's a horrible way to live, and most people are educated enough now to analyze their inner pain, and the mind-numbing, unsatisfying jobs most people work result in plenty of mental "lazy time" to just think about the worst things imaginable.

All I want to do is die now and get off the mortal coil yknow?

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Idk man. Really depressed niggas would never really admit their plight and would unintentionally drive people away.
Hence normals would need care a great deal, and or be very aware and connect the dots.

Lol after telling a family doctor I attempted suicide as a child, she gave me a packet of efexsor xr tablets from a drawer. Not sure if that was legal haha. But yeah despite this I'm probably close to a normal. Ppl. Really depressed wouldn't even reply here as simply posting requitws a gewat deal of congidence. They aren't on the net as that is action. Rather, something akin to solitary confinement. We're not fucked. We're simply fucking
rofl.
Shills everywhere

I did too, maybe I can get some meds an sell them? Not depressed anymore today. Acctually laughing at the seriousness of people.