WeII do you agree Jow Forums?

Well he isn't wrong. You can't get anywhere in the west without a degree of some sorts these days and not everyone can afford to pay for college...

Same. I don't want every fuck head out of hs going to college and getting their shit degrees and watering mine I actually worked part time and got scholarships to pay for down. Fuck. Can't believe I used to like that old fuck.

I'm actually kind of against it, only to the ends that now every job will require a degree "since it's free", and potentially another "higher education" program coming out which costs money
Essentially extending what we know as highschool to 4 or 6 more years.

I'd just like to see better ways of earning a living. Better new age/ independent based jobs- that can be done on the internet.
I know plenty can now, but more. It being as common place as working retail or the like.

this but widen it to all degrees with a penalty of paying back 100% of the cost if you dont find a job relating directly to your degree to discourage anyone from any type of libtard arts or womyn studies bullshit

Healthcare? Yes

Education? No

But by voting we can make it their job silly.

Riiiight! So you me and that robot george who plays video games alone in his mother's basement is gonna pay for chad and stacy to take classes at colleges and fail.
Libtards just make me fucking angry.

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If healthcare is free quality will go down below what it already is and even more people from south of the border will try to come here illegally. Do you really want that?

how the fuck can there be so many brainlets in this thread against funded higher education

first of all bernie, colleges and universities are the same thing, dumb cunt. second, if you do this, what then happens to the millions of us who are like 50k in debt after we graduated from one of these public universities in the past 10-20 yrs? is everyones student loan debt in america gong to be wiped clean? i mean it should be. if people going forward dont have to pay, then i shouldnt have to pay either.

Yes, but on three conditions.
>Only U.S. citizens are eligible for it, I don't want some "undocumented" fuckhead gaming the system even more
>This is extended to trade schools so those who are less academically inclined can acquire useful skill and job training
>All the bureaucratic fat gets sliced off. If students want to learn that's fine, but I'm not paying for some diversity officer.

>If healthcare is free quality will go down
No it won't.

free healthcare for citizens amerifag
are you that selfish that the quality being reduced marginally is worse than people that cant afford healthcare getting it?

fuck Bernie he is going to accelerate the collapse even faster by offering free shit to people. If you don't want to die in a bloody way to vote for Bernie.

If you want to completely remove any quality standards from education, sure

Are you not of the mindset that we should make the world a better place?
You're like a slave, that when given the chance to decide wether he wants slavery abolished, he decides against it because everyone else should suffer as you had.

Yes. The current state of public unis is fucked, the college degree is already the new high school diploma, only by removing the last barrier and letting the poor unwashed masses in will people be forced to recognize and address this somehow

>20 years later
>still in 50k debt
Rethink your life.

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING RETARDED!?!? OBVIOUSLY WE NEED EDUCATED PEOPLE. STOP THINKING ABOUT HOW THIS BENEFITS YOU IN THE SHORT TERM AND THINK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE FOR ONE FUCKING SECOND

It won't go down. Spics already get it free in many parts of the US. We just NEED to pass a federal law saying they can't in any state.

then why are there community colleges but not community universities?

>millions of people took out loans to get those degrees already
>the value of the degrees dropped because the government guarantees those loans
>decide to make them free
It's an excellent way to make the degrees worthless and basically ruin the lives of people who actually had to pay for them.

LOL says the basement dwelling faggot

Maybe because I don't wanna be 25k in the hole for a degree any old chucklefuck can get for free now?
Maybe because if all degrees become free getting a degree becomes an instant hard requirement to get any job at all (which I am now 25k in the hole for no reason for)?
Maybe because the labor force literally can't sustain such a large population of higher educated workers, thus necessitating some even higher standard to differentiate and we're back to square 1?

yes. if you cant afford healthcare, if you dont have a decent job that provides health insurance, and you cant sign up for obamacare or trumpcare or whateverthe fuck is out there, then yes you deserve to die. go lay in the street and bleed to death for all i care

If he actually gets elected and does this he had better reimburse everyone who spent money on tuition for college which of course is impossible.

So Masters Degrees become the new Bachelors, how does that help ANYONE?

>Maybe because I don't wanna be 25k in the hole for a degree any old chucklefuck can get for free now?
I got mine, fuck everyone else mentality
make the world a better place for your children and grandchildren

Community colleges serve a different purpose. Providing both Associate's degrees in particular fields and a cost-effective way to get GE credits before transferring to a four-year school where you can focus on classes particular to a degree.

>Maybe because I don't wanna be 25k in the hole for a degree any old chucklefuck can get for free now?
>Others should suffer as i sufferered.
You are devoid of empathy, there's no point in argueing with someone that doesn't hold any interest in anyone besides himself.

>which I am now 25k in the hole for no reason for
Wouldnt have been a problem if college was free to begin with.

Why not make the courses to get a degree much more difficult so that if you do get it, it means you aren't a brainlet and you know your stuff?

You're also all forgetting the point where this isn't economically viable, and we'll have to do this "free tuition for masters degrees" bullshit AGAIN in 20 years.

Brainlets go to the community college route.

Only in-state. Make up the difference by jacking up foreign nationals tuition.

>You're also all forgetting the point where this isn't economically viable
You have a much higher GDP Per Capita than most other countries that offer free education, ofcourse it's viable.

This. Degrees are watered down to hell as is. Having millions upon millions of additional degree holders doesn't mean there will be more high paying jobs to suddenly accommodate them.
This. Zhang coming over on his billionaire dad's dime can afford to pay 10x his tuition.

>OBVIOUSLY WE NEED EDUCATED PEOPLE.
Current analysis on college degrees shows that the degrees don't serve much purpose beyond getting you past career gatekeepers. Most college educated people don't retain information past a couple years out of college. And even as career gateways, degrees do a spectacularly bad job across several fields (for many of which there is no career path), leading to the massive student debt build up in America.
Just screaming WE NEEDS DA EDUCAYSHUN isn't a real solution to any problems.

We "need" education because we sold all of our labor industries out to foreign countries back in the 70s when the Fed was redesigning the social fabric, replacing huge swathes of low-investment, high-return career paths with much narrower service industries. And like the rest of that social engineering, the results turned around and bit us in the ass.

That's not my point. We probably could pay for everybody in the country to receive a free bachelors degree. Totally. Except, wait! Where are they going to work!?! What a disaster! I thought giving everybody a degree that becomes the equivalent of a High School diploma due to it's availability would suddenly make millions of high skill jobs! Damn you capitalists! I know! Let's incentivize everyone to get a free master's degree! That will surely work!

This is why it's not economically viable. Labor, high and low skill, is never going to be in huge demand again. We are approaching an economy where workers are not needed. Giving everyone a degree will not fix this.

For what.
All it will do is make sure shitter colleges and college professors and trash toy degrees get paid and a permanent free ride.

Just make certain degrees tuition free and jack the prices up for trash bullshit like women's studies philosophy and history and the like.
Fucking losers and nobodies are all in those degrees and have no problem going into permanent debt to pay for it.
Not like they'll ever amount to anything anyway.

I also want to push the idea that trades and unions are a good idea and that welcoming illegals who people will make into actual living slaves is morally unjust and bad for business.

The US is already running the world's largest budget deficit and won't have the liquid money to pay basic Welfare/Social Security inside of a decade, what in all fuck are you talking about? We could massively inflate the tax rate but that would just drive more multinational corporations to abandon the country, meaning whoops no jobs for all those people with free trashcan degrees.

Not everyone is smart enough to receive a bachelors let alone a degree

>Not everyone is smart enough to receive a bachelors let alone a degree
Holy fuck lmfao

Cut down military spending, retard

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>Just make certain degrees tuition free and jack the prices up for trash bullshit like women's studies philosophy and history and the like.
Or do the opposite, let states start auditing universities and reducing funding for programs demonstrably ascientific or for which there is no career path. More productive workers for a lower overhead cost that way, and it'll get the Lesbian Dance Theory Majors to pool in California where they belong (because of course they'd support bullshit degrees) and leave the rest of us alone.

Use the money deferential to fund trade schools.

user, skilled workers are needed now more then ever.
What you are complaining about is that the skills you were conned into wasting 4 years of your life and going into the whole well over 20k to learn will be fucking useless because of reasons.
user, your degree and skillset were useless the moment you decided to go to college for them.
That's a fact.

You want a high paying job where you make your own money and will always be in demand?
Pick up a trade and join a union and help lobby for rebuilding american infrastructure.

College is and has been a big fucking scam for nearly 5 generations now.

Yes let's cut out the funding for the military that several foreign nations rely on to maintain international relations. That won't start proxy wars all over the fucking place.
Trump's plan for a pay-to-play foreign military defense policy is unironically the best idea to tackle this, Poland's already set to bid for a $2 Billion defense contract and new base for America in their borders.

Cutting funding for the military also eliminates American jobs AND educational opportunities through the GI bill.

*free for black people

ftfy

Nah, fuck that.
Just force the stupid cunts and rich children to piss away their money and go into debt on shit degrees.
It will keep the retards out of the public for about a decade and keep them busy while the people who are there to learn something of worth will be able to do it for free.

Labor is in demand in every single country that isn't America or an EU slave. But yep it can never be in demand again.

The government needs to seize control of all colleges and business from the jews. They fucked everything up for the common man and it is getting worse.

>The US is already running the world's largest budget deficit
Okay
>and won't have the liquid money to pay basic Welfare/Social Security inside of a decade
Why would that be

There's no realistic legal mechanism to do that and you know it. Letting the rainbow haired morons sequester themselves in California as it goes bankrupt and burns down is a better option.

t. someone who has no idea how the free market and competition works

>paid by who? The feds?
yes, that is how PUBLIC colleges and universities get their funding
>not their job
it literally is. do you know what a PUBLIC institution is?

Because the money collected by taxes to be dispersed by Welfare/Social Security is instead immediately spent as though it were part of the Fed's operational budget (because the US runs out of cash on hand instantaneously the minute they get it). So when it comes time to pay out Welfare/Social Security dividends they have to borrow more money by selling bonds to China, but they can only convert that into liquid cash so quickly as per treasury law and they're rapidly falling behind on the cycle.

Please enlighten me on how there's still a market and competition with a free service

Public colleges get most of their funding from the State, actually. Funny how no State wants to take on that tax burden alone, but want to wait for a Socialist president to pass an act that would make it everyone's burden by completely altering the system.

Competition with other countries healthcare you fucking drumpftard.

ASSHOLE, THATS WHAT YOU ARE
well all mutts are assholes so this is nothing new

What?
Just give them government vouchers and full grants that covers everything they'll need to go through college.
Everyone else has to pay.
That's 100% legal.

>Because the money collected by taxes to be dispersed by Welfare/Social Security is instead immediately spent as though it were part of the Fed's operational budget
How are you able to maintain any level of social security now, if all the money is going directly to paying your deficit?

>MEXICANS WILL SWIM ACROSS THE OCEAN TO EUROPE FOR THEIR FREE HEALTHCARE INSTEAD OF STAYING IN THE US FOR OUR FREE HEALTHCARE
This is your brain on leftism.

Why do we need to borrow money from china to pay for things that America can actually provide for it's citizens with ease?

No. Higher education is an investment in oneself, not a right. High school is the level of education established by society for the average individual as they enter adulthood.

America is already competitive against other country's healthcare, especially in regards to speed and quality of procedures. Because our doctors make more money and as such are focused on being competitive.
If we could do away with a lot of bullshit Socialist regulations on healthcare and let the market weed out quack doctors, we'd get even more competitive across all markets. Right now the most competitive medical fields - Orthopedics, Anasthesiology, Dental, Radiology - are the ones that have the least governmental regulation, and also have a higher number of actual doctors than most other fields.

If some "n**gers' (as you'd like to call them) can get a shitty inflated raft from morocco to europe I'm sure some mexicans do just that especially since they're much better off than africans are

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Money's not going to paying the deficit, at all. Money's going to Federal expenses such as the Military, Social benefits, general expenses, etc. Literally not a penny of the deficit is being paid.

>Public colleges get most of their funding from the State, actually.
They don't, actually. Most of a state's education budget comes from federal aid and subsidies.
>Funny how no State wants to take on that tax burden alone
gee, that's funny, because it looks like that article in OP is talking about exactly that: a state going on to take the tax burden alone

You're honestly delusional. Seek help.

>strait of gibraltar
>9 miles long
>atlantic ocean
>thousands of miles long
gee you're right i don't see the difference

Because A: the military is real fucking big in order to operate in a dozen foreign countries that don't pay us back for protection (though Trump intends to change this) and B: when Social Security, Welfare and etc were first proposed in the 1970s they were intended as a stimulus package to help jumpstart a slumping economy and were never meant to be expanded in the way they have been. Both of these expenses far exceed the tax revenue of the Federal government, and both are difficult or impossible to downsize.

>No. Higher education is an investment in oneself, not a right.

Then they should stop selling it as a right or the next logical step or "go to college for fucking anything and become rich as fuck".

It's a big fucking con and the american public should be made aware of it. Not continuously lied to.

Then raise the minimum wage to 15 and lower the cost of living.

>Most of a state's education budget comes from federal aid and subsidies.
For Primary and Secondary education; for post-secondary education the federal aid and subsidies are only in the form of scholarships and such, not school operating costs.
>gee, that's funny, because it looks like that article in OP is talking about exactly that: a state going on to take the tax burden alone
Betting against the risk that a socialist administration will institute a Federal program within the near future.

Stop living beyond your wage or work more

but you could take classes for free as well and arise triumphant over stupid chad and stacy

Yeah let's just lower the cost of living, like we have control over it. user you're a genius! You're solved poverty! Just make everything cheaper!

Holy fuck the level of liberal leftist economic stupidity in this thread is baffling.

America is horrible at providing healthcare for it's population as healthcare is gated by money, effectively shutting out or heavily discouraging a massiave part of it's population from recieving healthcare.
Doctors in countries with socialized healthcare aren't worse, because they're not paid as much as an American doctor.
>If we could do away with a lot of bullshit Socialist regulations on healthcare and let the market weed out quack doctors
WHAT Regulation are you talking about, quack doctors aren't an issue in any remotely relevant size, i have no idea where you've gotten this idea from, we're talking about general healthcare here.

And nobody would ever hire you because your degree is no longer an indication of competitive ability and also every major corporation fled the country 5 minutes after this was announced to dodge the insane tax rate.

I don't see why anyone would disagree with this. Free sounds much better than having to pay.

I had to actually double check this but, the social security act was put into place with the new deal.
It was actually created so that the middle class and up could benefit while the poorer class would die long before they could collect anything.
It was a morbid shitty thing, but it's how it's been for almost a century now.
Wellfare started before that too I think.

Anyway, welfare is just a way to embezzle funds from the public not actually help people live.
If anything it could be used to stimulate local economies by giving local farmers and hunters more money to grow more healthy foods and the like.

I disagree. There will be such an influx of workers there wont be enough jobs and mostly white men will have to pay back the fees as they are the only demographic that does not a company federal money when they hire someone.

Universities themselves should have to pay a certain amount (a fraction of the total course fees) of the unemployment welfare of any of their alumni who is actively looking for referee relevant jobs but unable to get them. This would give them some skin in the game in trying to sell all these shitty degrees to people that have absolutely no career prospects for ridiculous prices.

Making it free would just kick the can down the road (free uni but then if you get a job you're paying for it and then some in taxes) and do nothing for the rampant spiraling costs of uni

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Do you have any idea how much a one bedroom apartment cost in California? Over $1500.

If people did that multiple industries and jobs would cease to exist and banks would foreclose.
((they)) don't want that.

So the constant gimme gimme I have ot have it and throw away consumer capitalist thing we have going is pushed as the norm

So your tax money is going towards social services? Why would the deficit stop you from paying these things?

I need a source on your first paragraph.

>WHAT Regulation are you talking about
Insurance regulation, particularly under the Universal Healthcare act. Medical Institutions aren't allowed to pursue market competition either for themselves or for their patients, because the costs of medical procedures aren't known to them up-front and because insurance companies highly regulate what they're allowed to do and how they're allowed to do it in order to maintain maximum profitability on the part of the insurer.
Hospitals in the US pay roughly 5x what they'd be expected to for advanced medical equipment, for instance, because they're not allowed to make their own purchasing decisions and there are labyrinthine agreements between material contractors and insurance companies to keep these monopolies in effect. Cut the hospitals free and they can spend their money better, compete better, and drive down costs to consumers as in every other market without falling into the bureaucratic traps seen in socialized healthcare systems - with effectively no changes to the tax rate.

brainlets don't go to college