Incels are literally just SJWs. Like all other SJWs, they claim to hate social justice for other "victim" groups...

>Females, the more emotionally charged gender cannot feel love, only men can.

See when a point is so retarded like that, it's difficult to explain to the retard making it why they're wrong. It's like trying to win at tic tac toe with someone who scribbles all over the paper and rips it in half.

If you've ever looked at incels.me their points are fucking retarded and a majority of them unironically believe in moral rape.

This is even stupider. Inceldom is like a sadder version of Scientology. No humans "feel love" men are lonely because their sex drive is too high and their compulsion to bread make them dissatisfied with life. find meaning in something other than where you put your cock

Women cannot feel love LIKE MEN that kind of all encompassing admiration and enjoyment in another. Women are emotionally charged for Chad and only Chad, as he gets their vaginas to tingle and makes them feel strange.

No, the least conflict is in the middle, not the truth

>find meaning in something other than where you put your cock

You can't find meaning in life when you're sexually frustrated. Like you can't find meaning when you're starving.

That's where the most conflict is you dick. If you avoid conflict you learn nothing. The far left or far right have no conflict because they're jacking eachother off and blocking their ears

If my biggest problem was something that small I'd be overjoyed

>your right a little, oh but so are you
No, its just the easy way out, the middle isn't correct judt because it is in between both ends

>Like all other SJWs, they claim to hate social justice for other "victim" group
SJWs don't say this. and incels don't beg for social justice they want to rot.
try again.

>if my biggest problem was one of my fundimental needs being unmet I'd be overjoyed

Wow you must have no limbs or something. What are your problems?

I think the problem is that incel/alt-right types are not whole sale wrong in their observations, but aren't intelligent, emotionally mature, or well developed enough to understand the larger context behind those problems, let alone to provide any solutions. The entirety of these ideologues is shaped by a superiority-victim complex, as well as the idea that they're in fact "more logical" than the average woman or person, which most men fall for it. It's slightly true, not useful, and often leads to worse complexes, like most men not realizing how emotional they actually are.

Society and humanity is navigating a lot of things we're not used to, like the rise of weak narcissistic, isolated men, and women having to deal with that. Really, everyone is "at fault", but it's happening to everybody. We're all "victims" of life.

I don't see how it can be anything other than a result of natural female sexuality being unrestricted for the first time in human history. We're seeing what women truly want in men, and it's leaving the vast majority of men with no love or companionship in life.

incels are the ones who are unironically retreating to their safe spaces.

where as sjws walk into public places and shamelessly demand that it becomes a safe space for them.

know the difference

That was dead on. You're too smart for this website

>No humans "feel love"

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do you understand the role of other human beings in meeting this need you're talking about? human beings who have their own needs and wants and perspectives?

Literally every single group of people has been, or at least thought they have been, a victim of oppression at some point in time or another.

Epic logical fallacy.

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> like the rise of weak narcissistic, isolated men, and women having to deal with that

You pay lip service to "everyone being at fault" but by this passage you clearly show you believe men are at fault for being "weak" and women are perfect and are "dealing with it"

>fundamental needs

You can't make real problems subside by jacking off.

Jerk off once every 2-3 days. No more no less. That's probably your problem.

I don't want to whip out my long list of life problems, but they're a lot worse than not finding something to shove my cock in.

Serious convictions or beliefs are stupid. There is no truth. Nothing is certain. We are and we are not.

I do, that's why I know it's a problem I'll never be able to solve. The fact that it requires another person to act for it to be resolved doesn't dimish how big of a problem it is. I see sex and physical intimacy listed as ways to heal from depression and suicidal thoughts all the time.

You can't make the desire for human connection go away by jacking off. The real reason sex is so important is how validating it is towards your existance.

This.

>incel/alt-right
Incel and alt-right have nothing to do with each other. If anything, the alt-right love for traditional gender roles would make them detest incels.

Indeed. Comments like that illustrate the underlying reason so many people deride incels: They're men who have the nerve to say that maybe not everything is their fault and that maybe men shouldn't be considered subhuman if they don't care to meet some strict gender role.

What is your opinion on drinking water? Is it literally poison that will kill you if you drink any amount? Or is it a holy ambrosia that can only do good to your body, and everyone should be drinking as much as they can get hold of?

This on every level. It's literally female nature

Good thing you can use memes to fend off any truths about the harsh reality you live in. Is not believing in God exclusively for neckbeards too?

>they claim to hate social justice for other "victim" groups,
Not sure I follow .women, most minorities are fine with it or apathetic (as it benefits them with out them taking part)

Retard. This is essentially turning into something philosophical. Incels act like they are able to sense exactly what someone else's experience is from their perspective.

Like he said, it's like playing a game with someone who breaks it for no reason with you faggots.

Why exactly do I care for my dog then when it provides no real objective value to me and just takes me resources? I'm not a hunter or herder who gets value from a dog, yet I still enjoy having one around even when it makes a mess and eats my food. Why do I put up with it?

>The real reason sex is so important is how validating it is towards your existance.
But because men with sexual difficulties are a socially-acceptable punching bag, the emotional component of sex is completely disregarded when discussing them. Because if we were to admit that incels have emotions, then we might have to feel bad about mocking them and telling them they're worthless failures who deserve to suffer. So no, you're not a person who craves validation the same as everyone else, you're a misogynist who just wants to put your dick in something.

Are their actually people who feel their existence is valid? Putting your dick in a vagina doesn't change the dust you came from and will fade back into

Obviously if you drank too much water you would die, it would have to be an awful fucking lot though, but that is the case with anything, it is always the dosage, not the poison.

You might not like it, but you can't push all the dimorphic sexual responsibility onto one half of the spectrum without putting on the other half, which is what's actually happening. We're on a site that has both Jow Forums, a place dedicated to increasing sexual dimorphism, rising to the occasion, Jow Forums one disparaging it. It's funny how you guys keep having the same basic conversation millions and millions of times and so few of you actually this about why it's like this. Fact of the matter is, putting fault, resenting women, people, the world, for Eve giving you the apple, I understand it. It's why I'm in this shit hole with you. But a huge mistake you're making it humanizing this issue. It's no ones fault really. It's jut par the course for society. We're just adapting. It's easy to hate women, but I don't want to live in a world where they're forced to settle for the likes of the people here. That's the real dystopia, which we're also headed for.

Thanks dude, I appreciate it.

well we popped into consciousness for some reason. we're not doing anything so best to procrastinate it into the next generation.

>being a centrist about water
Fucking fag

Because your dog is a source of comfort and familiarity you've most likely projected a persona onto. And you care about maintaining those things. Giving a shit about something doesn't equal loving it.

You know Carl Sagan said love is the only way humans can cope in the face of the Infinite. Being denied that and then mocked for being denied it is one of the cruelest mental tourters someone can be dealt.

Moderately hydrated cucks BTFO

I don't know whether to laugh or loudly sigh

Distraction is also another way to cope with the infinite. Don't forget to see the next Avengers movie!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

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>push all the dimorphic sexual responsibility onto one half of the spectrum

Which is what you are doing in your posts, just the opposite way. You've stated multiple ways how men are failing and how they are weak, but you have not had one word as to how women contribute to social woes.

>extreme equals serious
How infantile can you get? Unsurprisingly this is a Jow Forums meme.

Guess you guys are much smarter and have a lot more of life figured out than Mr. Sagan. Sorry I didn't know I was speaking to such geniuses.

Distraction is the only way to cope with the infinite. That's all "love" is, a distraction. I didn't realise how naive people were about the true nature of the human psyche.

Don't worry. You too can be smart like me if you listen to the morals and lessons of the upcoming Star Wars movie.

>You're not a totalitarian fascist or an complete anarchist?
>Fucking centrist lmaoing at your lyf

does anyone disagree with me here?
(you)s pls

Damn how come you aren't a well renowned respected philosopher. You did it! You out of every human who as written or spoken a word have it figured out!
>these are the people who think incels are wrong.

>Out of context quote used to justify an ideology that unironically supports rapeslavery.
"See! Mr. Sagan agrees with incels!"

My fucking sides

There are plenty of scientists that believe in god, their status doesn't make them correct. I have no doubt Isaac Newton was smarter than me but I can see truths that he couldn't nonetheless

It's winter in Australia but it definitely feels like summer here.

Who supports rapeslavery? Incels don't, incels just want a loyal wife or gf.

No, I agree with you. In fact, I'd take it even farther: The SJWs are also trying to invade and destroy the incels' safe spaces and make them even more miserable.

We're having a cold one in NZ, and our country isn't filled with fallout enemies

You two should write a book. Or draw one I suppose considering the lack of intelligence you've demonstrated to us.

You're fetishising victimhood while trying to argue incels are different to SJWs, could you be any denser?

>it's okay when we do it

>Who supports rapeslavery?
The strawman caricature of lonely men that normies create so they don't have to feel bad about their lack of empathy.

I'll be honest, though: I do have some fantasies about rapeslavery, except they're about *being* the rapeslave for a dominant woman.

>incels just want a loyal wife or gf
Or in my case, mistress/owner.

Have you seen how many incels ON THIS THREAD have just said that females cannot feel love. They claim loyalty doesn't exist and would never date a "roastie". (Unrelated lmfao they admit to having never physically touched or seen a vagina but they also know more about them than the "chads" who routinely fuck them). Incels happily show hatred for women and have demonstrated many times they want nothing to do with them.

Yes. They say they're deprived of sex that they need and want, while also claiming they don't want it. This is how retarded they are.

This is accurate, and it's not the first time I've seen sentiments like this.

I feel the logical response to the point raised by the OP is that incels aren't SJWs, but they ought to mimic them very carefully.
For pretty much every topic you can imagine, there's a mainstream, "safe" narrative that most people stick to. The issue for incels is that typically people heavily dislike it when you criticise women's sexuality at all. By that I mean if you suggest women are being too selective, then you'll be called a loser. Me saying a sentence that's totally reasonable if you think about its content carefully, such as "Nice guys finish last, handsome jerks finish first", will have people trying to call me entitled or a misogynist. This will occur even if they can see somebody behaving horribly and having no trouble dating/having sex, because they're attractive.
Incels are typically fairly nerdy, unattractive, or have mental disorders, and not the kind women are willing to overlook. Society doesn't like to criticise women's sexuality, but this is an issue for incels, because they've been made miserable by women's sexuality. They're a living criticism of it.

My only suggestion is that probably the smartest move for them would be to tread carefully down the SJW path. They really need to rebrand and change their name from incels as well. Criticise racial preferences in dating as racist, and carefully phrase other criticisms in terms of SJW anti body shaming rhetoric. The lack of success of men with mental disorders such as autism ought to be phrased in SJW terms too. Then they might actually have some success in the public eye, but as of now I don't think incels are coordinated enough to change their whole community.

>You're fetishising victimhood while trying to argue incels are different to SJWs
And you're playing the bothsame game and pretending like it's impossible for it to be the case that the SJWs are simply wrong but the incels actually have legitimate points. It is possible that incels actually *are* different from SJWs, you know, and that incels aren't "fetishizing victimhood", but pointing out actual ways in which society treats men badly.

Finally a man of culture around here.

I want a cute gf to beat me

That doesn't mean incels support rapeslavery. Many are bitter and sour grape the very thing they need and desire. Doesn't mean that deep down it isn't true that all incels want are a women who will love and accept them.

Even your approach wouldn't work, for one very simple reason: Society's total and unrepentant hatred of vulnerable men.

Their points are much more legitimate. And that's fucking saying something about how just illegitimate incels points are

Nah, I don't want to be beaten. Fucked into submission and maybe kept naked and on a leash, but not harmed. Treated like a prized possession. I'm basically like the average submissive woman.

Yes it is strange how women sexuality is in their own words one of the most racist, ableist, and body shaming social processes in the world. And yet they complain about anyone, but them.

>Their points are much more legitimate.
No, they're not. SJWs are neo-puritan hypocrites who give actual social justice a bad name and have just as much contempt for men who don't conform to gender roles as traditionalists do, despite their claims of supporting equality.

Yes, I agree. I've noticed it's pretty much impossible for me, and other men in general to talk about their weaknesses, particularly when it comes to a lack of success with women. I think my approach is the optimal, best way of confronting the issue, because it tries very hard to walk an already socially accepted path. But the scary thing is that even that likely wouldn't work, because weak men are consistently laughed at, and apparently asking women to change their behaviour when it comes to dating is wrong.

>but we really ARE the victims!
SJWs have points that might have some validity and truth behind them if they weren't blown out of proportion and used to set unrealistic expectations. The same applies to incels.

Does racism exist? Yes. However it does not follow that "all white males are fucking privileged cis SCUM REEE" is also valid.

Are some lonely men outcasts? Yes. However it does not automatically follow that "fenoids are evil fuck society REEEEEEEE" is also valid point.

Based centristfag finna ding dong diddly destroy incels.me

>Fenoids
You have proven your lack of knowledge about incels and your point is invalid

The difference is that incels really are being victimized by hypergamy and anti-male culture. SJWs cry about fake things that they use as a mask for their hatred of white men.

Why do women despise weak and vulnerable men so much? I swear they laugh when we kill ourselves. Suicide rate is so overwhelming male, yet you always only see women being targeted for mental health support.

>Incels literally resort to pointing out typos when they run out of arguments. Like trying to play tic tac toe with a baby, and the baby thinks he won because he just scribbles on the paper.

The effects of male disposability (which is the underlying cause of most, if not all, men's issues) are more profound than whatever SJWs talk about. Also, things like racism already have people talking about them. Every other group of people has plenty of advocates for their problems. But no one stands up for incels or troubled men in general. Men still aren't allowed to be vulnerable, and people still aren't willing to consider that everything might not be a man's fault.

>Does racism exist? Yes.
The word "racism" is a meaningless buzzword. All actual racial discrimination is being done by the antiwhites with their affirmative action quaotas.

am in incel. wanna do something about it?
flint#8647

I think his point was actually that you're attacking a strawman of incels' beliefs instead of trying to understand them, not that you misspelled something.

Its not like i don't see similarities. You don't seem to be able to notice the details though. Its ironic that you think i'm being unintelligent. Think you might be projecting?

>It's always the anti-incels either running from the conversation or devolving into insults cause they can't refute.
Like clockwork this thread has become this

Let me correct this
>not all incels support rapeslavery
Not him. This may be true, but who should care? No one has time for people who jump into stupid iconoclastic bullshit head-first. Sane people recognize that broad "all member generalizations are nonsense". This is an automatic turn-off if to sane people no matter the gender or fine-level of political variation. That is life, the sooner people accept this the less maladaptive they'll be. Both the alt-right and the incel movement have this flaw in common, as noted by .

Not him. Having a few legitimate points along with a pile of nonsense will get you the same results as having a pile of nonsense. I'll tell you what, could you make some of these valid points in a way that separates them from the crazy nonsense? If not then, these movements would be clearly maladaptive. Notice all of the specialized unncecessary terminology the SJW, alt-right, and Incels have? This is a semantic trick to get people sucked into the cesspool of nonsense -- where even the valid points are deeply connected to the intellectual filth. Logically people rightly recognize not to drink the tainted kool-aid.

There are no other movements for isolated lonely men dealing with societal stigma and hatred. All the socially acceptiable movements are all about increasing the suffering of these men.

>I'll tell you what, could you make some of these valid points
Men are still held to the standards of traditional gender roles, despite feminists' claims to the contrary. Men are still expected to make the first move, be generally dominant in the relationship, and so on. Men who don't fulfill that role are derided as weak, failed men who deserve to be alone.

Male sexuality is treated as if it lacks any inherent worth. Men are expected to somehow "earn" sex from women. The male body isn't considered beautiful or erotic. Men who express sexual frustration are subjected to far more ridicule than women are for expressing the same feelings. Men who have sexual dysfunctions are mocked. Men are mocked for penis size and height, two things they have absolutely no control over, while it's considered unacceptable to mock a woman for having small breasts even though women have options for making them bigger, and a woman's height isn't considered a problem at all.

I am not being a centrist about it, I have clearly taken a position, and there is no doubt that water is a danger to everyone. Fuck off you nigger loving faggot.

>Nonsense
Cry me a river. Everyone is dealing with social stigma and hatred. Seriously. The option remains to join a church, charity, hobbyist group etc. Oh wait they all want men to suffer, whoops. Guess incels should join up with the groups with the malicious-wacko ideologies.

What I'm about to say is not bragging. It is something a lot of men have experienced. I've never asked a girl on a date in my life, all of my gfs have come on to me. If you hang around enough women for long enough the same exact thing will happen to you. This is normal, obvious and happens irrespective of how "attractive" or "chad" you are.

The actual problem for incels/SJW/alt-right is the same: They try and substitute an ideology for the actual world. You have no clue why someone behaves as they do, and neither do I. No need to waste energy making up some crazy paradigm. Just go live and interact with people.

Most interactions suck -- this is standard for everyone. All of these weird notions you mention are only partially valid at best, this is why people ignore the three groups. Some of it's true, but never in all or even most situations. The "considered" aspect makes this clear. I sure as hell don't mock people for that stuff, and very few women have ridiculed me on any of those subjects. The ones who have are just suck people -- not some sort of proof that all women suck. The major point shared between the three crazy groups is that they don't understand this line of thinking. Their ideologies don't judge individuals, they try and reduce individuals to a class.

>If you take any side in any argument you're a fucking idiot, the truth is always in the middle.
HAHAHAAHAH what are you fucking gay?

>What I'm about to say is not bragging.
You're right. It's lying.

I put in all that effort and that's your response. Wow. Go to a bar and talk to men and ask them about their experiences. Gather a larger sample size, stop giving a fuck about how awkward it might seem to ask people about this sort of thing. You can even add an explanation to the question. This is simple, anyone can do it. Don't be a dipshit. Gather actual data instead of siting in your insignificant set of experiences. Because your behavior basically screams "dipshit" and "not worth the effort".