/fast/ #207 - Running on Empty edition

Yes he has. I could deal with his attitude and the snake juice, but I can't take him seriously anymore.

LOL I came to this thread to see if anyone watched this yet. Not sure if he's insane or genius. Is this the destiny of all fasters?

62 hours dry fasting right now. But I'm not going to drink my piss. Interesting vid though.

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Snake Juice Immediately with no food in your stomach, and its with 2L. of water check out the recipe. You can do it without snake juice but you will feel like shit, snake juice is just sodium and potassium so you feel good while fasting. Its exactly what is in a hospital I.V. bag, you will want it trust me.

>snakeman makes the snake diet as a satire about modern fad diets
>turns out it actually works
>feels obligated to go absolute fucking bonkers and make up some even stupider shit so people will hopefully get the joke

Can I drink whiskey while fasting?

All I do while fasting is watch Reviewbrah's videos for hours on end

Only 35 pounds to go boys, about 50 down already.

>can I consume calories while not consuming calories

Thought liquor didn't have calories

That's called alcoholism, son.

i will dry fast but i wont do that shit
at least not until im age fucking 50

It has a lot

All alcohol does, btw. You metabolize the ethanol and burn it as energy.

Can I smoke?

Yes. No calories in smoke lol

i'm broke
how much does this shit cost

nice, what kind of cycle you on

it costs you a jar of nosalt, a jar of regular salt, and a box of baking soda

and turns out his stupider shit works even fucking better
its as if god is toying with him
pink salt (you want real shit not dyed salt) $4
nosalt (potassium based salt alternative) $4
lasts a while
or just drink your own piss

tf this nigga want me to drink my own piss for

Any calories in vape?

>tfw browse ck while fasting
>cook myself 3 eggs, half a chicken breast, half a sausage, spinach, cheese, butter, and various spices together stirring it all up

tasted so good and it was keto too. had a spoonful of natural peanut butter for desert.

lost 35 pounds so far in total

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How do I make snakes piss?

Stop fasting.

youtube.com/watch?v=_1r8ffLDFcE

Lets see, whats going on in these fast threa-

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>exercise increases protein breakdown, leading to higher levels of urea in the piss

>2018
>not drinking your gymbros piss

not gonna make it

If your body wanted you to have whats in your piss why would it bother filtering it out?

Drink other peoples' piss

He's lost his fucking mind.

Anyway is dry fasting on weekend and water fasting on weekdays a good plan? I wan't to fast through June or until i get to 160 ( 5'11, 190 ). Or should I do one or the other?

I don't get why people are so offended. You do know he is right about it being healthy, right? How is he crazy?

that's hardest part.

TMAW, 72 hours fasting, break, 72 hours fasting.

I started at 285-290 on April 2nd. I'm now 237.

YWN grind it the fuck out and get to single digit body fat and double body weight bench press to indoctrinate thousands of your acolytes into drinking their own piss!

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Fuck. This really shakes my confidence in fasting.

On a night when I feel especially hungry, and I just bought some tasty protein bars because they were on sale...

Damn it snake man, I didn't want this!

is cole gay or straight?

straight but kissed a dude for a joke lol and was sucked off by a gay chinese dude but it was just a joke haha

really? because if he is gay it explains why he is okay with drinking piss

>straight men can't be perverts
fuck outta here with your troll ass

Don't cave in you fucking FATTIE

GET THAT PISS IN YA

So does this snake juice work? The new one? Because I'm not saying I won't trust a piss drinker but I mean...

snakes piss is the best

How long until he starts selling it at a premium?

just want to let everyone know that dry fasting is a meme and can kill you.

not if you cycle your piss

So I've fasted for 4 days, morning of 5th now, last 36h have been a dryfast.
I've lost 5kg so far, but if at all possible, id like to lose 1.2 more TODAY, which i know is kinda crazy.
I guess I'll be continuing my dry fast and also going for a longass walk. I will have to break my fast today or latest tomorrow, cause I have an important presentation coming up and I don't want to shit myself/pass out/ pass out and then shit myself.

whats up with heartburn? just passed day 3 and onto day 4. why do i have heartburn? or is it something else. throat feels cold and its annoying

Ah forgot, wanted to ask what food you would recommend for breaking it, probably something keto if I don't lose the 1.2 kg, so I can keep fasting after the prsentation.

When does it get easier? Someone said day 4 you feel great

I like this guy. I like his data driven approach. I think I'm gonna limit myself to 48's now, until I can get more research. Maybe Dr. Panda's lab will come out with more stuff, but there don't seem to be that many people doing research on fasting these days.

Some of the concerns are addressed in snake juice fasting. Refreshing syndrome seems easy enough to avoid, and SJ fixes the mineral loss problem. I wonder if that effects the rate of lean body mass lost. I want more research on this stuff, damn it!

Can I drink this on a fast?

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I think its fine, but it will fuck your teeth.

I felt great at hour 30. It depends on your activity level. I don't mean bust your ass. I mean stay actually involved in other things so you don't obsess over food. Once I closed that fast around day 4, OMAD was fucking simple. Just had to find things to do. Also opened my eyes to how much time I was spending on food prep and eating. Dropped over 30 pounds in 30 days, and I'm well aware the first 11 were water.

he's a retard. there's nothign to his arguments.

>You drank nothing but your own URINE for THREE DAYS.

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mix it with piss

Struggling but staying strong. Pray for me.

>he's a retard
Well that's quite a convincing argument, I see it is well researched and thoroughly documented.

i mean its what those survival expert advertise when you dont have water XD

Dr Phinney I respect your work on Athletes and ketosis, but I am saddened by your ancient and poorly presented fasting talk here

Metabolic Rate
Your First Elia M. chart is obtuse. What are the hollow circles and filled circles. How about connecting the dots for individuals? Were these active or sedentary people before the study? How were electrolytes handled? More questions than answers here.

The German chart is similarly sparse on the critical details of the fasting and makes the incredible claim that 300 Kcal/day causes no reduction in basal Metabolic rate. Tell that to all the biggest loser contestants and every adult human that has followed a dietitian's advice for the last 60 years.

I note that you appear to have switched from your original claim that fasting becomes evil when it exceeds 48+ hours and now you are leaping to poorly defined 30 day fasts for your bogey man. Does this mean 72 hour fasts are ok now?

Your biggest loser confusion.
The biggest losers are all shown using high carb calorie deficit diets on the TV show and you now are somehow claiming that they were water fasting. Huh? Your Strawman is gonna break a leg with your uturns! Every fasting theorist would predict the exact result reported, namely a long term reduction in basal metabolic rate for high carb calorie deficit biggest losers participants. This is exactly what was reported in the studies analyzing the long term followups for Biggest losers. Given that this directly contradicts your 1981 German chart just before it, I am beginning to wonder did you even look at your slides before giving this talk? Do you understand the words coming out of your mouth?

Nitrogen Losses
Regarding your alarmist belief that any net loss of protein is putting one foot in the grave, here is a little thought experiment for you.

If you were a 300 pound 5' 4'' woman, of which there are many in our society, and you successfully reduced your weight to 110 pounds via whatever method you choose; how many pounds of protein do you think you would lose during that weight loss?

To be more specific, If you were young enough to have your skin tighten up during your weight loss would you expect the amount of protein in your largest organ (skin) to stay the same or go down as your square footage of skin also drops as you lose 2/3s of your original weight?

The answer is obviously you would be overjoyed to to see your skin tighten up and have that protein so employed, recycled and then excreted as you approached normal weight. Losing some protein doesn't seem so scary any more does it?

Minerals
This topic brings out your most odious strawman. Who says you can't consume sodium salt, potassium salt and magnisum salt during a fast? Dr Phinney how can you justify defining a fast as excluding the consumption of Sodium, Potassium and other electrolytes. I would cut you some slack if you were not a allegedly a Medical doctor. All doctors know what is in those TPN bags that hang beside the patients bed, namely Sodium Potassium and Magnisum.

Read this to learn how wrong headed and alarmist Phinney is being with this bullet point
thesaltfix.com/

It is one thing to be a grumpy internist, it is another thing to be a deceptive one.

Medication issues
Here we find Phinney moving the goal posts again. His study on hypoglycemia is looking at the 5:2 BBC calorie reduction diet which at the beginning of this video Phinney declared to be AOK. But now this study finds that trying to coordinate medications with Calorie reduction diets is tricky. Who is surprised here? This is why many practitioners find that multi-day fasting combined with steady monitored reduction in drugs is the best practice. What WE learn here is the Dr Phinney blames fasting for regimes that are not fasting and that what he recommends can change in the length of 20 minute video, apparently without him noticing.

Refeeding Syndrome
Here we learn that Dr Phinney almost killed some patients by pumping a pure glucose TPN into the bloodstream of fasted patients without monitoring their Potassium and Sodium levels. Rather then encourage people to supplement with Sodium salts and Potassium salts when fasting and refeeding Dr Phinney prefers to alarm people with tales from world war II POWs and medical malpractice.

It is odd that an alleged advocate of ketogenic diets does not recommend refeeding safely with ketogenic low carb food. But I guess when you have an agenda, saving lives is secondary, eh Doc?

So guys, i've just begun OMAD after a few weeks of 16:8, and it was great. Only problem is, after eating the meal, i basically shat it out just 12 hours later (although it could have been another meal, can't say for sure, but it was a pretty big shit so i'm assuming it wasn't).
Should i be worried? Maybe i didn't absorb all the nutrients and calories in there.
What do?

Btw i ate flat bread, soft cheese, broccoli and meat

Summary
Why the pearl clutching about this natural process? Why the hate and cherry picking about an ancient practice of fasting? You seem far more emotional about this topic of fasting, which even if your fears are totally correct has a current death toll indistinguishable from zero*; than your current medical colleagues who are killing millions by prescribing insulin to diabetics. Save your vitriol for them.

You imply but do not prove that protein loss during weight loss always mean strength and vitality loss and hint that it might be irrevocable. How about answering some of your own questions with some new studies that actually measures strength during and after a "well formulated" fast. That would be far more useful than strong arming event organizers to spread your Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt about fasting, as you confess to doing at the beginning of the above video.

*(anorexia and bulima are not fasting)

Nofap with Fast yes/no?
I'm going to need to last a few weeks to get my goals.

Solid rebuttal, perhaps a bit dogmatic and hostile.

But really, for anyone here, protein loss is the main concern. Possibly metabolic slowdown as well, and the two are connected. Do you really believe the protein losses from the first 3-30 days will be made up primarily of loose skin?

A little over 6', 184 before refeeding, so we'll see how heavy I get when all the water/glycogen weight returns, but many are in the same boat. We're not hundreds of pounds over weight and diabetic, we want to cut fat as effectively as possible. This is because body fat is unhealthy, and because we want to maintain lean body mass, and then add to it by slowly lean bulking and lifting weights. Because building muscle and strength is the best protection against many injuries and the frailty of old age. And any exercise that gets the blood pumping is good for the brain and heart as well.

You make some good points, but most of us know about refeeding and electrolytes. And his concerns about lean muscle mass seem pretty relevant. The facts are that the experimentation on fasting hasn't not been thorough enough to give it the go-ahead from a medicinal perspective. And yes, pharmaceutical corporations and food companies and many others who fund research have NO reason to fund research into fasting. So I doubt we're going to see a large study on proper fasting.

What studies would you like to see? Personally, I would think at least a group of water fasters, with and without electrolytes, with and without strength training, 24, 48, 72 hour fasting AND extended fasting. Then maybe repeat the experimentation with supplementation of omega oils and high protein doses periodically. And measuring strength, body composition, bone density, and endurance after a reasonable recovery period.

How are the two connected? What is your question? Yes you can stop jerking off. You can continue jerking off.
I mean, maybe you lose some sodium (cum is salty) but if you drink snake juice or regulate your electrolytes it doesn't make a difference.

Motivation wise?

which do you think would be less likely to snap?

Side effects of fasting include temporary drops in test and libido, nofap is easy as fuck on a fast

Cole is a brave man and I might try doing SUPER snake juice at some point.

Start off with 1 teaspoon of baking soda in 1l of water. Drink that over an hour. Then rehydrate with snake juice. I just did this after 4 day dry fast and feel great. Haven't eaten yet. DO NOT start a refeed on the day of your presentation, either come off 2 days before or continue on snake juice through it if you don't know how a refeed will affect you.

My libido always drops heavy during fasts so it's a good time to start.
Well, you should start nofap right now, fast or not, and continue forever anyway.

By the way, nofap only matters if you fape >1-2 times/day. Noporn is legit, but you should fap every few days if you're not getting laid, it actually protects against prostate cancer.

>online girlfriend
Never ever gonna make it

He's probably 15.

Why shouldnt i fast if im type 1 diabetic?
You do realise fasting keeps blood glucose almost perfectly level if you have your insulin in check?

Ketoacidosis. You can fast but you have to be very very careful with that.

A TRUE CHAD

>What studies would you like to see? Personally, I would think at least a group of water fasters, with and without electrolytes, with and without strength training, 24, 48, 72 hour fasting AND extended fasting. Then maybe repeat the experimentation with supplementation of omega oils and high protein doses periodically. And measuring strength, body composition, bone density, and endurance after a reasonable recovery period.

Which you will never see, since the medical establishment has declared research into fasting "unsafe to the point of being life threatening and completely unethical".

Whether this is out of an excess of caution over potential violations of their Hippocratic oath, or the desire to protect pharmaceutical revenues from loss of massive profits in the event that fasting in some form or other is proven to reverse obesity, type 2 diabetes and other related diseases is unclear.

When I visited my doctor for a check-up recently and discussed the fact that my sleep apnoea, pre-type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure were effectively cured what was her advice? To immediately cease my fasting as I was "losing weight too fast".

I mean really, fuck these people.

As Dr. Benjamin Bikman likes to say, medical doctors aren't paid to do research and learn stuff, they're paid to see patients.
Which means they usually DON'T learn stuff, and maybe even deliberately not care about learning, so they can keep seeing their patients.
They're not all bad, but...

I hate it how pushing past day 3 is so difficult. All I think about is food. However, it seems incredible that there are a lot of people there who think something like 16:8 is insanely difficult. I can't even understand how being 16 hours without eating anything can be borderline impossible for a lot of people. It's mind-boggling to think that there was a time when I was one of them. Now I'm whining of post 48h pit.

19th day water fasting checking in. None of my jeans fit anymore. 81kg 6'1, still have a bit more fat that I would like. Didn't drink nearly as much 'snake juice' as Cole recommends, but I have a few shakes of lite-salt and like 4 grinds of Himalayan pink salt every day now which is still less than half a teaspoon. I didn't even start taking it until like a week in.

Workouts have been going fine, doing 3-4 sets of most main lifts 4 days a week (bench, squat, pullups, ohp), squat is low weight as I feel exhausted doing it and recovery will take way longer if I tear up muscle tissue without having any protein.

The closer I get to my goal, the less motivation I have. I’m just about doing OMAD and my weight just fluctuates within two or three kilos.
I’ve lost 30 kg so I know what I need to do, but it’s like there’s some switch that says I look good while dressed, so why not just take it easy.
Writing this blog so I can convince myself to do it properly again and get rid of the rest.

What weight did you start at?

roughly 92kg

Is this from some official rebuttal?

But by definition they end up simply regurgitating whatever they learned in medical school even if that was decades ago and overtaken by events and new understanding.

Obesity wasn't a problem in the UK even 20 years ago, so what doctors were taught about it then and since is the same tired old CICO bullshit that is not effective long term for more than 90% of patients seeking help.

Surgical treatments like stomach stapling, gastric bands and excision of 90% of the stomach may help to reduce weight, but they only do so through invasive and dangerous techniques and EVEN THEN the people undertaking these procedures rarely return to a healthy weight since these surgical procedures only deal with the effects of the problem, not the root cause, which is insulin / leptin / ghrelin resistance and bad dietary habits.

Fundamentally, people are conditioned to trust their doctors, but with regard to obesity and its related conditions, doctors simply cannot be trusted.

Fortunately, I was well aware of this when I went to mine and only booked the appointment to confirm my home monitoring of blood pressure had the same results as her more expensive equipment.

i have the same problem. i reached a goal weight of 70kg but it is obvious now i need to get to 65 if i want abs but whenever i refeed i am like, "i did not eat for 5 days so its okay to go ham for 1-2 days" then i am back at 70 again.

i think i need to switch to omad with a normal calorie deficit normie diet.

Neat, I'm starting at the same weight and height.
Throw in some dry fasts at the end, fat loss takes a bit more tinkering when you're lean.

Yeah I’m thinking of doing the same. Fire up the old myfitnesspal for a week or two.
Anything longer than OMAD feels like death in this heat.

I was thinking of doing that but I can't be fucked, I'd rather just refeed and then do dry fasts after. I have work and stuff as well