Fall for the keto gains meme

>he listens to joe rogan's podcast for nutritional advice from people joe only brings on to confirm his existing opinions

No dude I think that's psychological, I've switched from eating high carb and high protein straight to keto and I just feel stuffed all the time but thats it. And I don't really care about benefits other than using fat for fuel instead of muscle

kek

keep on running society and its future in the ground pleb

>death's sweet embrace will bring me happiness because i will no longer share existence with trash such as yourself and your following iterations

>joe reads into some guy's research
>brings guy on his show
>joe's opinion is confirmed by the guy who wrote what joe read
>this is shocking

dude's not bringing some random vegans on to rant about silly shit he doesnt believe in

just like he's not bringing HAES supporters on to hear a bunch of bs he doesnt believe in

But they're all smarter than me and you, and usually have phd's. There's no way they don't know what they're talking about. So if they confirm Joe's opinions then I don't know how that would make what he says less credible.

butter is your friend lad

My wok is knee deep in fat from just cooking pork that I can't even finish eating, theres no way I'm adding butter on top of that.

I love how tards can't connect the dots here.
Insulin causes anabolism of both the muscle and fat variety because it's main role is to push nutrients into cells.
Carbs = Insulin.

>implying Phd = smart

Obviously you've never been in academia and have no clue how publishing works.
Any dumbass can get a Phd and only dumbasses go on Joe Rogan's show.

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keto gains is an oxymoron. the amount of protein you need to sustain muscle growth kicks you out of ketosis. with that being said, cutting out fiber-based carbs is the easiest way to get in a ton of calories. protein and fat are less filling than fiber.

any good menu tips for doing keto and omad, trying to stop being a fatty while staying in my very sedentary lifestyle with very little exercise.

just do a big meal of meat and green veggies. walk for an hour a day. once you get down to a reasonable bodyfat, ditch keto and start lifting while getting in a ton of protein.

Because low fat meme diet doesn't activate two other satiety hormones that eating fat does (or were there three, can't recall their names atm, help me out here). Low fat diet relies on stomach extension for satiety alone, which is why you can drink so much soda, beer, eat so much bread pasta noodles candy etc.

i was doing this originally but getting watery stool (apparently from too much protein) so im trying to increase fats and cut down on the meat (was originally eating a t-bone 4 pieces of bacon and 2 eggs with some sourkraut)

ive lost ~5kg so far out of my 30kg-35kg goal, but started to get worried when people talk about being nutrient deficient and stuff. multivitamins are expensive but i'd rather not resort to them if i can.

i do about 4 eggs 2 chorizo sausages and a salad atm as avocados are fucking expensive but im looking to add sardines to the menu as ive heard they're a good addition.

Who is this semen demon?

who are you quoting

>decrease insulin resistance
but it does the opposite

> tfw when you diet to low bf while on 3000 calories, eating plenty of carbs (natty btw)

it only does if you eat too much protein

this is not true

i can prove it though

keto increases insulin sensitivity because you arent hammering your system with carbs thereby decreasing insulin resistance

you actually cant, post the study you think shows that so i can explain why its flawed

With what?
Fats themselves promote fatty liver disease, saturated and transfats promote it the most, far more than mono/polyunsaturated fats.
Most people on ketogenic diets eat a lot of saturated fats.

Provide examples of competitive bodybuilders on keto.

>they're all smarter than me and you, and usually have phd's
literally most of the "keto experts" at his podcast aren't even trained in nutrition, don't have a degree in dietetics and are literally affiliated with keto related supplement companies.

>Fats themselves promote fatty liver disease
this is not true

No, keto literally decreases insulin sensitivity, since it needs to blunt insulin's effects on blood sugar, because your blood sugar is not in abundance.

>literally most of the "keto experts" at his podcast aren't even trained in nutrition
except thats a very good thing. Those "nutrtionists" would still have us all easting trans fats and 6-11 servings of grains
This isnt true either, your insulin levels stay low and arent spiking as high

Yes it is, there's a reason why there are countless videos onyoutube made by "keto experts" on how to "avoid" fatty liver disease on a ketogenic diet, because it's basically impossible.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392897/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24550191

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Dieticians actually know what they're talking about though, they might have their individual bias but they definitely know a lot more about nutrition than some fucking nobody chiropractors selling ketones and vitamin supplements and "superfoods" on their shitty blog.

No it doesn't you stupid fag. If you have high insulin levels all the time, you develop resistance to insulin. Same mechanism as with if you vape all the time you don't get any effect out of nicotine because you become desensitivized to nicotine.

>This isnt true either, your insulin levels stay low and arent spiking as high

Once your insulin spikes from eating anything with protein or carbs, your insulin WILL spike no matter how hard you try, and by then you will be more insulin resistant since your body does not want to get rid of the sugar in the blood and run the risk of putting you in a coma, therefore you are literally insulin resistant from a low carb diet.

Moron absolute moron.
Netiher of those studies arent done on someone on a ketogenice diet you fucking dumbass inbred idiot. Theyre feeding them a stanard high carb diet and adding more fat onto that.
>than some fucking nobody chiropractors selling ketones and vitamin supplements and "superfoods" on their shitty blog.
Dr berg? And ok stop listening to those idiots you idiot. Actually trust people who are experts in the field lime dom d agostino
wrong wrong wrong
the "spike" is very small by comparison and is essentially non existent while already eating keto. Youre thinking of meat eating before being on keto. The way insulin behaves once youre keto is different. Your insulin doesnt budge while eating keto and Im wating for you to say im wrong so i can blow you out.

nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-7075-7-88

>waah waah you ff-aaaag
Typical ketobaby who bases his entire diet on the opinion of retards online who want to make a living preying on the insecurity of fatties who want to eat bacon all day but get lean.

You don't have to have high insulin levels all the time to develop insulin resistance, all you need to have is a poor response to insulin, which is what is found in people with low dietary carbohydrates.
Their insulin resistance simply doesn't "show", but once they leave their stupid new age diet it will show.

You can also have really low insulin levels but retardedly high fasting blood sugar at T2D levels.

>confusing insulin sensitivity with insulin resistance

How can you be this fucking stupid?

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>m-moron
fat intake literally shown to increase fat accumulation in the liver, and visceral fat in general, saturated fats which are the most commonly eaten by ketotards are also shown to be severely worse for body composition and health.
Try and refute this, you can't, all you can do is "i-it wasn't real communism/keto".

>keto
>eat bacon all day but get lean.
pretty evident you dont even know what keto diet involves.

>all you need to have is a poor response to insulin, which is what is found in people with low dietary carbohydrates.
wrong
>Their insulin resistance simply doesn't "show", but once they leave their stupid new age diet it will show.
wrong

By eating a ketogenic diet.

I did refute it you idiot. Those 2 studies arent done on people eating keto. Youre using studies done on normal fat carb eating americans and trying to say somehow that disproves keto. Youre literally wrong.

>since your body does not want to get rid of the sugar in the blood and run the risk of putting you in a coma, therefore you are literally insulin resistant from a low carb diet.
thats not how it works.

>wrong
Then prove me wrong, you can't.
Because keto is dumb and not based on science.

It involves eating high fat, moderate protein and low carb, it's literally what the ketogenic diet is about, all there is to it.
Bacon fits well in it.

You stupid absolute ass literally described normal insulin response, then wrote that's a sign of insulin resistance.

>It involves eating high fat, moderate protein and low carb
thats right. it does not involve eating bacon all day you stupid cunt. look at yourself shitposting this hard you've become incoherent

>Then prove me wrong, you can't.
that isnt how it works you absoltue fucking dumbass.
You cant claim something and then say until you prove it wrong, its right.
based off that retard im going to claim im god and you fuck your father. Until you prove im not god and that you dont love sucking your dads dick we're all going to assume its true.
Prove me wrong, you can't.

Nice samefag, show me how it works then, prove me wrong.

the studies are simple they've been posted in this thread. proof is in the pudding by i dont expect you numbskulls to even read them because you would rather shitpost about some fucking podcaster and be a contrarian to anything popular, despite the facts.

>i posted a bunch of studies that dont actually apply
>i-im right guys

>8
nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-7075-7-88

It's literally the worsening of insulin sensitivity, and the development of insulin resistance on a ketogenic diet and how it works, too much for you to take in?

>it does not involve eating bacon all day
Except it's what most people on keto diets do, check youtube, if not keto it's literally full fat cream and other dumb shit, as long as something has plenty of fat it is "good" to eat accoridng to the norm in keto circles.

>that isnt how it works you f-fuckingh d-dumbass
Then show me how it works, then tell me why is it exactly that people literally develop an intolerance to carbohydrates after leaving a ketogenic diet? why is that exactly? Almost as if they develop insulin resistance to varying degrees, hmm.
>You can't claim something and then ask to be proven wrong
Yes I can, because what I'm going with is the current literature on the topic, you're going with what some new age diet gurus online claim.

insulin resistance is a fucking disorder you inbred. your resistance to it doesn't increase when you produce insulin by eating or fucking your dog in the ass. google it im not your mom.

>Except it's what most people on keto diets do
then they arent on keto. get your head out of your ass. you eat bacon all day you will be malnourished. stop posting.

Insulin resistance is not an on and off switch dumbnuts.
It's a spectrum, and it is worsened the more fats you eat, just like fat in the liver is accumulated the most the more fat you eat, just like how visceral fat accumulates the most the more fat you eat.
But hey, if you eat MOSTLY fat then I guess none of these will be an issue, it will all magically stop being a problem, according to keto gurus online.

Ok did you actually read that study? Cause it doesnt saw what you think ti says.
>then tell me why is it exactly that people literally develop an intolerance to carbohydrates after leaving a ketogenic diet?
You havent proved this yet you father fucker.
>because what I'm going with is the current literature on the topic
Where is this exactly? Those 2 fake studies?
>you're going with what some new age diet gurus online claim.
No youre just a moron who is going with those people

>It's a spectrum, and it is worsened the more fats you eat, just like fat in the liver is accumulated the most the more fat you eat, just like how visceral fat accumulates the most the more fat you eat.
none of this si true
>according to keto gurus online
Nigger youre the one addicted to memes. You are only listenting to youtube morons and pretending thats who we are listening to

Keto is literally a diet that puts you in a noticeable degree of ketosis, that's all a keto diet is, stop making it seem like it's a "healthy lifestyle diet", it's not.
You can eat bacon all day while eating other things, some ketotards online actually promote this, as long as you eat some veggies here and there you can eat bacon all day. The two aren't mutually exclusive appearently.

>stop making it seem like it's a "healthy lifestyle diet",
i see what you did there.

why dont you stop making it seem like its an unhealthy lifestyle diet by idiots you see online.

>none of this is true
Disprove it then, I literally just shown you how the mere act of eating fat increases visceral fat accumulation, and that most fats people eat increase visceral fat significantly.

>you are only listening to youtube morons and pretending thats who we are listening to
Are you listening to medical doctors or dieticians or bodybuilding coaches?
No? Then you're listening to diet gurus online.

>I literally just shown you how the mere act of eating fat increases visceral fat accumulation, and that most fats people eat increase visceral fat significantly.
where? Where did you show that?
>No?
yes?

daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/medical/what-is-insulin-resistance/

read that then come back and apologise, also tell your body building coach he is a fucking retard

I'd nico her nico

>Yes?
Provide names then and what they accomplished themselves, the only respectable keto guru is dr. dominic, and even then he can't show an actual benefit of a ketogenic diet over any other diet except maybe the "SAD".

>where? Where did you show that?
Here

>>where? Where did you show that?
>Here
Buddy is english not your first language? You did not show that at all. Those arent done with a keto diet. IS this something you cant understand?

Sup alex

Also apologize for what exactly?
Thats textbook knowledge that everyone and their mother already knows, also notice the guidelines and how they don't mention any advantage on the reduction of carbohydrate consumption, almost as if ketodiets are useless.

This is the best part in the link you shared.
>Reduce the amount of saturated fat in your diet. Limit commercial cakes and biscuits, fried take-away foods, butter, lard, cream and trim the visible fat off meat.

Lmao.

>concrete evidence that the mere consumption of fat increases fat accumulation in the liver
>IT'S NOT PROOF BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE CONTEXT OF A KETOGENIC DIET, A DIET THAT IS LITERALLY MOSTLY COMPOSED OF FAT

Woah

>ya guys listen to dietitians
>more bagels than broccoli

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>im to stupid to understand that your body re-acts differently when being supplied with different fuels

Woah
I want you to understand this, i mean really lsiten. What youre doing is like saying my vegan diet has a lot of protein because i ate a steak with my brocolli.
You arent even following the diet so your body is behaving differently
Woah

>>supplied with different fuels
You are not eating different things, you are just literally eating a signficantly higher ammount of a macronutrient that has been clearly shown to worsen body composition and health when controlling for a caloric balance.

>what youre doing is like saying my vegan diet has a lot of protein because i ate a steak with my broccoli
That's not at all good comparison, what I am doing is like saying eating some lead is bad for you, and that eating high quantities of lead is probably not better than eating some lead.
Almost as if eating more of something that isn't good, isn't actually benefiting you, woah.

>that has been clearly shown to worsen body composition
is hasnt
Again, taht is not how it works because your body responds differently when the initial conditions are different. Woah.
Listen you arent smart and you most likely never have been. Blame your parents cause they are most likely dumbasses as well.
However as soon as youask for some source i can post a 30 min video that if youre willing to watch will explain in simple terms for a moron like you why different starting initial conditions matter.

the purpose of that article (which you seemed to have missed) was to inform you that not everyone is insulin resistant. but clearly youre too dense to comprehend that.

waiting for the vid

>waiting for the vid
youtube.com/watch?v=z3fO5aTD6JU&t
Please im begging you can you actually watch this in its entirety and with an open mind. Itd be great if you could be the first person in your inbred faggot family to not go through life as a retard.

im not him but sure faggot

thank you. very good video.

the point im trying to establish is different initial conditions completely change the game. All these "studies" that arent done in an already existing keto environment are useless.

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yeh i get that. GP recommended keto and it works well for me, especially with family history of heart disease and diabetes. i chose omad as well to speed up weightloss. feels pretty good stepping on the scale every morning.

oh so its pretty clear you werent that shtihead i was arguign with. Good for you.

nope. the most surprising part of that vid is the "no evidence of any cell requiring glucose" bit. pretty shocked really but i get where he is coming from, cant really test it without killing someone

also, thanks!

YES
The only 1 thast 100% known is red blood cells. But when ever someone says well teh brain etc its like no dude youre only drawing that conclusion

red blood cells? is that related to "arithrasites" or whatever that he mentioned?

noob here
my understanding is that keto lowers igf-1, mtor. is this sub-optimal for muscle growth?

it's not. your body switches from using glycogen to fats as energy consumption. It fucks you up

there are other hormonal pathways for anabolism during keto that hasnt been well studied yet since all studies were done on people eating a 50%+ carb diet

yes google that shit friend
its sub-optimal for becoming a mutant. Most people dont want to be that big.

only for a little while. Energy levels become really really stable after you adapt

havent*

even stabler according to that dude in the video.

>not use muscle for fuel
thats why we eat carbs dumbass

ok cheers lads