This situation is more common than you guys will ever know

Better than starving to death.

How many people came here from broken households? My parents didn't get a divorce and after something like 30 years of marriage they still love each other. Sure they fight occasionally, but hell, it would be weirder if they didn't.

>you know most people are pretty capable of healthy relationships.
not anymore, there isn't most people and there isn't healthy relationships.
it stopped existing and you being here trying to bring this up its just an excuse, that pic simply showed a reality, something so common that its just everyday.
>its only the people who post shit and think shit like that are the ones who end up in situations like that.
of course, they believed in a fucking lie and decided to give it a chance only for them to get destroyed, fuck off partner.
at this point the people who happens to be virgin and never had a relationship have the best odds at surviving current life.

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What is a healthy relationship? How can a relationship be healthy?

>Sure they fight occasionally, but hell, it would be weirder if they didn't.
that would be a dream come true, nothing going wrong with the relationship to the point of no problems at all.
imagine a relationship where there isn't a damn problem nor fights...perfect, life would be perfect.
no matter what, there isn't a fight and always pulling through, always helpful and cooperative in order to solve it.

This happens because society entitles women to money if they break up families. It's wholly artificial. If family law didn't exist we would have less broken homes.

there are 2 possible outcomes on how that user responds, he sprout some bullshit that you can destroy with simple arguments or doesn't answer you at all.

I'm not sure what you consider broken. My dad was a raging furious alcy with 'nam blackout flashbacks. He tried to kill me at least three times. Beat my mom and me constantlyIthe attempted murder was much harsher than the usual of course so it doesn't count as the regular physical and mental abuse.) mom stayed with him for whatever reason and was the breadwinner while he sat on his ass, drank, and hopped from job to job because the 'tard couldn't function in society. They were married like 30-something years til he finally died a few years ago and life has never been better. Was it broke or just dysfunctional? I dunno. It sucked, whatever it was.

>At least the man got to experience the first 4 panels.
it hurts him more because he lived a damn lie buddy and if you ever experienced the same you would probably kill yourself or go completely insane.

wew that's a story m8ey

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Yes we know, we warn men constantly about it but nobody listens to internet weirdos.

I have second-hand heart-hurt from this. I hope he's ok now. Is he ok now? Please tell me he's ok now.

I know a lot of people who are in healthy relationships that, as of now, have been lasting for about 5 years minimum. Tge honeymoon phase is only the first year if we remove marriage from the equation.
Come to think of it, this board, being very conservative, has a fixation with marriage, but in my country or at least in my extended circle of communities, people who want to marry are extremely rare and when I see all those incel spooks about being cucked by your wife, the common factor I see is marriage. Maybe the whole notion of eternal union is the problem because I have only seen one of these horror stories IRL once happen to an ex of my mom with his ex who was batshit insane and violent. Other than that, lots of relationships ending sour, but never like in OP's pic and I have a couple of parents amongst my friends who are no longer in a couple with the other biological parent. Real life is far more balanced than the terrible nearly horror-movie like picture that incels paint. I dob't doubt that it happens, but from my experience knowing a lot of couples and parents, I see this shit rarely. I know about 10 couples with kids and at least 7 are still together 10 years later. Those who are separated have chill terms with the other parents and every of my friends who are in a couple have been for 5 years so far with everything going fine. My two roommates are a couple I've onown for 10 years.
So where does all the fear come from? Are you guys insane?

I mean yeah, if two saints were together sure, but people just aren't like that, no one is.

Yeah that's a broken household.

Lucky cunts who get to experience the first 4. I'll have tp find some fat middle aged settling roastie and jump straight to 5.

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>I know a lot of people who are in healthy relationships that, as of now, have been lasting for about 5 years minimum.
hmmm...now hows that life on the inside of that house, I know a lot of people putting a facade of perfect family when in reality they are breaking down, maybe you are just too dumb to actually see through a ruse.
>Tge honeymoon phase is only the first year if we remove marriage from the equation.
true, when the woman in question have the guy wrapped around her finger of course.
>Come to think of it, this board, being very conservative, has a fixation with marriage, but in my country or at least in my extended circle of communities, people who want to marry are extremely rare and when I see all those incel spooks about being cucked by your wife, the common factor I see is marriage.
and relationships, the common factor is marriage and relationships.
in these days, be prepared to destroy the damn roastie in any given moment buddy, she can destroy you in an instant if she feels like it.
>Maybe the whole notion of eternal union is the problem because I have only seen one of these horror stories IRL once happen to an ex of my mom with his ex who was batshit insane and violent.
elaborate on that one.
this ex of an ex shit got me a little confused.

>it didn't happen to people close to me, so it didn't happen at all

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Objectively speaking, it could be defined as a couple founded on communication and honesty as well as mutual trust that is actually respected. The rest is up to how hard life gets at them and if they can go through every trials of life together without breaking apart. Objectively speaking, that is how I would describe it. Realistically speaking, it's more complex than that. When you're in a couple, the biggest mistake you can make and one that most repeatedly fall into is to take the relationship for granted. When it's been years and you've lived with her for a long time, eventually routine starts to settle in and at this very point in the relationship, if you or she stop thinking that you both have to renew things once in a while and bring at least some excitement and different into the routine, things start becoming really fucking boring real quick and that's how people start to grow apart. They will start complaining of the other being boring, not interesting and everything goes downhill from there. A relationship is a permanent responsibility for as long as it lasts.
Now where it get more complicated is that you cannot define stability and healthy in an empirical, rigid manner because no couple is the same and everyone has their standarts of exciting. Bring your girlfriend to Europe as a surprise when you're both middle class and you will reignite the flame for a little while, but for a rich couple who can afford to go to New Zealand every saturday, it's not the same context. Some people want to be abused, others want to control, others be controlled so if you look at the overall definition of how to keep your couple running fine, everyone will have different advice based on their standarts and lifestyle. It's up to each of us to find a person we connect well with and to find how to keep that excitement running for dozens of years should you aim for permanence.

So a healthy relationship is just a relationship that lasts long?

A lot of women dont feel remorse even if they are caught.

>divorce rate is about 50%
>lolitdoesn'thappenthough xDDD

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Are you retarded? Got reading comprehension issues? What about...
>I read a few dozens of spooks on the internet so the risk must be very high and it must happen to everyone.
?
>How is life in the house
Not perfect and compromise ensues as does and should in all couples, but it's strong. I'm talking about people I see almost every week. Also I LIVE with a couple, nigger. I'm like a jungle reporter up in this bitch. No couple is perfect and without issues and occasional argument. The strenght of a couple is not whether or not everything goes fine, it's whether or not hardship will break them apart.
>
true, when the woman in question have the guy wrapped around her finger of course
What does that even mean to you? You seem to be a bit paranoid when it comes to trust in general.
>any given moment buddy, she can destroy you in an instant if she feels like it.
Nigger, anyone you trust holds this power in different measures. Friends, family, lovers, they ALL can end up beyraying you for myriads of reasons. Loyalty is not a law of the universe. You're either loyal or you're not and whether others are is up to your own perception and your experience. You reek of trust issues. I wouldn't blame you cuz trust is scary, but in the end, Either you keep believing or you don't. I chose to believe and despite that, I know my buds could betray me, but I trust that they won't. If they do I'll take a massive blow and may never trust again, but it will have given me 20+ years of amazing moments and bonding. That being said, out there, there's good people and to find them implies risk and trusting bad people occasionally, but I'd rather play a high risk game than end up alone surrounded by 4 walls, consumed by grief, envy and rage.
>Elaborate
Funny that you seem more interested in hearing the spook rather than understand my perspective.

No, it's one that evolves.

So if a relationship evolves it's healthy?

it was but people get married for the sake of happiness now.

Sorry to hear about that mate. I wish you all the best moving forward.

How do I get over trust issues
I'm not the same guy but I can never envision myself in a relationship because I'm absolutely incapable of trusting anyone, even my family, I just can't. Add to this an irrational fear of intimacy and being socially stunted and I'm pretty sure I'll die alone if a girl doesn't literally throw herself at me

>Funny that you seem more interested in hearing the spook rather than understand my perspective.
I understand your perspective, but still I wanna know about that, you can still say no if you don't want to share it.
I also happen to have my own perspective and morals.

The point is for mutual benefit, but primarily for the benefit of the kid you mouth breather.

Tell that to American women.

>If you think it will happen, you deserve it
Ill be a fucking billionaire in 20 years in that case.

>He reads "Not as often as you think it does" as "lol it never hapen XDDD"
Nigga learn to read. Jesus Christ or stop projecting whatever you actually want to read over it.
>Divorce rates
You missed the part where I said almost nobody marry where I'm from.

Pointless arguing facts with an idiot who will beat you to death with personal experience

It's a sign. As I've already stated, there is no empirical rigid way to define stability and health in every couple.

>facts
>anecdotal screencaps of strangers is fact, but my own anecdotal experience is worthless.
Yeah you're right, it's actually pointless.
I'm no therapist so I can't really help you. I got over mine through sheer power of will and I didn't escape undamaged.

You haven't even said what healthy means in this context.

>I got over mine through sheer power of will and I didn't escape undamaged.
I have no willpower and I don't want to get hurt, so loneliness it is then.

I honestly can't listen to a single bit of your bullshit you're spewing here, when you consider that the divorce rate exceeds 50%. It's not some "incel spook" it's hard fucking statistics.

>anecdotal screencaps
?????
And besides, as a roastie, your (reported) personal experience is in fact mostly worthless.

If she did i hope i would never suspect it because if i never found out it wouldnt hurt me

You're missing the part where she fucks 10 other men behind his back, gets pregnant with one of them without telling him, and then acts like it's his fault she cheated when he finds out, then still has the courts side with her and society act like it's the mans fault, women are subhuman and society is sick for coddling them

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better never leave the house, I could get mugged

How many times must I remind you that healthy is different for every individual couple. To answer your question in a way that would satisfy you would require us to sit with every couple, ask them questions individually and together, observe their daily life, how their common projects are progressing, their individual and common dreams for the future, then with all of this massive lot of data, try as best as we can to establish an average. That being said, I'll repeat. Objectively, an healthy couple is one that communicates a lot on their issues, trust in each other, are willing to compromise for one another and can stick together and overcome the inevitable trials that WILL put strain on the relationship. You will never be in a couple with anyone, not even your perfect "the one" without coming close to breaking things up. Strong couples are couples that endure.
I'm sorry to hear that. I wish I could give you some of my willpower. A prayer is the best I can do even if it's a pretty meaningless gesture.
This data relates exclusively to peopke who are married. Am I missing something here or are you really that dense? I already told you that nobody where I come from is interested in marriage so even if the divorce rate was 99% in my country, since only 10% get married in the first place, the data means nothing and it differs if we take into account whether more men than women initiate the divorce. If you speak in terms of relationships not lasting forever, then welcome to IRL. Every relationship from friendship to family ties to romance have a constant half and half chance of ending for myriads of different and, often, unpreductable reasons. Trust is relative, it's not a fact nor a rule.
>le he disagrees with me so he is a roastie argument
Classy. I'm glad to see I drove you to the point where you're running in place.
>reported
Announcing your report is against the rules. Guess which one is more at risk of getting banned?

My parents are getting divorced p soon. I moved out 5 years ago but I worry about my younger siblings a bit.

Thing is, I don't blame my mother. My Dad's not bad by any means, but I can see why she doesn't want to remain with him.

time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/
Myth, divorce rate for first marriages has never exceeded forty five percent, is at an all time low, and can be shot down by not doing retarded things like marrying someone with BPD or someone of a different race

>objectively speaking, here's some bullshit I happen to believe
The worst part is that you likely think you are smart and routinely bother those around you with more asinine pontificating.

Just say what healthy implies. Do you mean healthy as in securing the longevity of the relationship or as in having a benefitial effect on the health of the people in the relationship? What do you mean?

Marriages were intended to be mutually beneficial business deals; the guy provides, while the woman gives sex and raises kids. But women don't want that anymore since everything works in their favor now.

So there's a 2% chance that if i marry someone i'll get divorced.
The real question is, what % of couples are unhappy?

bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm

wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/

1. Go to college and marry someone with a bachelors degree
2. Don't marry someone of a different race
3. Be white
4. Don't marry someone with a mental disorder
5. Marry high IQ
6. Care for your children
7. Don't marry a roastie
8. Don't marry someone who inherited genes from parents that divorced
9. Make a bunch of money that you spend wisely to ease the downtimes
10. Don't marry someone who smokes, drinks a lot, or uses drugs

There, divorce rate is probably

Marriage and love are fucking memes. Everyone changes and you can't tell what they'll be like in the future, so it's pointless to make a lifelong decision that's legally binding. Love can die out with the simplest of changes too. It's really no surprise the divorce rate is so high, most people fall for these memes so often and don't realize that love and marriage, at least in a long term sense, aren't compatible with about 95% of humans.

Wait. Jesus fucking christ that's just the divorce rate
>The number of divorces for every 1,000 married women.
The actual % chance of a marriage ending in divorce is more like 40%
Fucking hell. Who the fuck would ever marry with these stats?
At least 40% of marriages end up unhappy.
There are couples out there who stay together for financial reasons or for their kids.
Which means the actual number of marriages that end up unhappy is much higher than 40%.

Yeah it can be seen as that, but securing longevity is not the single point. It's also about securing passion, securing trust, etc. As I said it's very hard to define because it is a multi-layered issue. Kind of like trying to define trust between two people.

lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=marriage and subjective well being

Rate for first marriages is significantly lower, and also see

based Maggie

Nice projection. I actually believe that I'm pretty average overall and I have a lot of hobbies and interests I'm not particularly good at.
I just don't understand what yriggers you so much. Communication, honesty, trust and compromise are obvious pillars of any good relationship. I'm not laying down cosmic wisdom over here, just relating what's already known.

20% is still fucking huge when you think about all the financial responsibilities that couples take on when they marry. When you marry you both take out a mortgage for the next 30 years, move in to a new home, have kids, etc. Divorce is the messiest thing ever. Mortgage needs to be dissolved, home needs to be sold, both partners get into serious financial trouble and need to move to a much cheaper apartment, kids get serious emotional trauma, ... Yet fucking 20% of all couples decide to go through that. The % of couples who are unhappy must be extremely fucking high. No wonder all married men joke about how marriage ruins your life. Fucking hell.

stop projecting, you degenerate

Here's a solution: Never marry.

Romantic relationships only have one purpose. To create and raise children.
Putting so much effort into extending it into something it isn't, isn't healthy.

One biological purpose, yes, but we both know that humans define their own instincts very differently.
If people only coupled to reproduce, society would collapse. Humans have emotional needs, this board is proof of it. So no, the purpose of a relationship between man and woman is not JUST to reproduce even though the ultimate biological goal remains unchanged.

>Humans have emotional needs,
They don't have romantic needs. Romantic, sexual feelings are only there to make sure you have children. They aren't there to be your hobby. That's unhealthy.

So basically be a successful person in all areas of life?

I guess I don't exist, then
t homo

And it's neither healthy nor unhealthy. It's simply either conducive to the spread of your genes, or it's unconducive to it. Traits that tend to spread genes more effectively tend to be found more widely in the population, whoddathunkit

I'm the user who posted that reply in your pic. I had a shit marriage to a shit woman who had a shit mental disorder, then I moved on with my life. I dated around since then, had another serious relationship, then decided I didn't want to be married because I had other things I wanted to do. Don't give up, just learn and move on. I'm a lot happier now and my ex wife is still a fat stupid cunt who doesn't even have her looks to fall back on any more

>It's simply either conducive to the spread of your genes
It has nothing to do with that. It is unhealthy of you to lift the romantic feelings up to be more than just your instincts telling you to have kids. When you start thinking about how you can prolong a relationship being it's natural cause, just so you can keep getting your emotional fix, well that's uhealthy. It's addict behavior.

>This is a thing I have years of experience in and I think it's tough but worth it :)
>EXCEPT UR WRONG! XD I AM LE INTERNET MASTER OF KNOWING ABOUT WOMYN AND THEYXRE ALL NASTY AND PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES HAVE NO WAY TO COPE WITH THEM BEING A KH VIRGIN DOESN'T MEAN i Don't understand le ladies

You cannot escape your emotions user

Once you shit out a kid, you gotta raise it. To raise a kid proprerly, it's best that you do in a stable household filled with love. Love and stability that you build over the years with a loved one, so romantic love help raise children better.

I'm asking this genuinely, and it is meant in the least offensive manner possible: Are you autistic?

People have many emotions. You are focused on a small part of them which are there to make people create babies. You shouldn't' try to extend it beyond that.

Love can mean two things in this context. Passion or tribal attachment. Passion is what I am talking about.

Who are you to define whether we should or should not extend them?

You can think of me as a philosopher or just a wise councillor giving people well thought out advice.

Yep. Robots have sour grapes.
>no girl wants them
>"It's fine", he mumbles into his dakimakura, "they're all roasties...".

Sort of.

>biological father went to jail before I was born
>mom started dating and married dad when I was 4-5ish
>had my little brother
>dad died when I was 12
Wouldn't say "broken" but death definitely fucks a family up.

What an absolutely abhorrent and worthless post you've made.

Tribal attachment is not love, user and neither is passion. Passion is one part of love, tribal attachment is another. Love, overall, defines the reasons behind our attachments to people, which, again, are not defined by one set instinctual factor, but several complex layers. Love is not an absolute. Neither is trust or passion or any emotion.
One thing that is known as fact amongst neuroscience and psychology, humans need love to be able to develop well. If you deprive a baby from attention and love and simply tend to its biological functions, it eventually shut down and die. it has been discovered that love is necessary for the correct development of the human brain. Our emotions have become an integral part of our evolution as a species and it is mandatiry that we tend to them. You seem to see humans as nothing more than organic machines.

Your life must be well balanced and satisfying then if you are so wise to be giving out advice.

inb4 its not you fucking autist

More like normies are mentally and blinded cucks who put up with all sorts of shit because they don't want to be alone and so they can gain social points. Healthy to normies is different to robots.

>Well thought of.
That's entirely relative. The advice you've given so far is painfully ill informed. Asking people to run purely on biological instinct is to ask humanity to throw itself into an evolutionary abyss.

Now you're just muddying the language and using love as a buzzword.
>humans need love to be able to develop well
No, they don't. They need certain signs of affection. If you made a robot that mimicked these signs perfectly then it could replace parents.

why are there so many threads about fantasising about being normie then.

>mfw we successfully made millions of young white guys too scared for marriage or kids
>mfw we made them believe that women are the problem - the gender with absolutely no power in society

boomers are objectively the greatest generation in history. they got everything they wanted and then trolled the white race/west into extinction.

Healthy to robots, it seems, is to create a totalitarian society where everything that creates fear in a robot is kept in a cage so that the timid and insecure robot can walk without the dread of anxiety so, if you ask me, robots are not better positioned to be telling anyone what's healthy or not.
Also, if this is your definition of how a normie act, then you would be surprised to know far less people are like that than you think.

the point of marriage was to provide for society by creating strong family unit with religious brainwashing. now it exists as a legal contract for the purposes of driving tax revenue by encouraging marriage and reproduction with tax cuts, and also enriching jewish divorce lawyers.

I am saying you shouldn't follow your romantic instincts into a pursuit of some kind of "healthy relationship".
If you're hungry, you just eat till you aren't hungry. You don't have to constantly eat just so you never feel hunger.

that's a nice artstyle who drew that?

>If you made a robot that mimicked these signs perfectly then it could replace parents.
For someone so wise, you are very unscientific. To claim an unverified hypothesis as fact is intellectually dishonest. Come back when your hypothesis has been confirmed.

Get married in your 40s
Own your stuff
Stay engaged till then and cohabitate
Only approach and have relationships if you want children.

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