Why are men today dropping out of society?

t. retarded normalfag. doesnt even know what roastie means

Oh, yeah. This guy gets it.

We're in mid-fall. Once everything collapses shit will get better.
Oh wait it won't because global warming is going to destroy all our ecosystems
Just kidding.

Nice appeal to futility you got there.

>be a man
>improve yourself physically, and with skills and virtues
>lower your standards for appearance
>find a virtuous girl

>blue collar worker, always doing things that reality requires of us to survive, not fluffy work that society wants.
>but I'd rather pursue personal interests than support some thot.
>this is dropping out.

Uhh gonna have to go with (you)

It's easier
It's so much work to participate in society, and for what? You aren't going to get the life the movies promised you, with the great friends, the fun parties, the loving, attractive girlfriend, the interesting experiences. You're gonna go out there, make an ass out of yourself, and people are going to stare at you while they laugh in their heads at this fucking weirdo who thinks he's a person

Because there is nothing left for low status men. In the old days even if you didn't have Chad looks you could still get a job, work hard, and get a nice non-slut gf to start a family with. Now low status men are treated as expendable slime that should politely slave away to maintain a society that hates them and then go die somewhere out of sight.

If there is nothing to work towards you might as well just NEET it up for as long as possible and live it up on Jow Forums, anime, and video games.

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I don't think appeal to futility is a recognized logical fallacy, and is in fact a valid argument.

because the game is completely rigged and no one wants to play anymore

Not worth participating in anymore.
Nothing to work for or build. No more mountains to climb. Can really only strife for the excellent in reclusive pursuits such as vidya or personal enrichment.

>you owe society
Our blood built society. It shall be our blood that finishes it. Society owes us. Instead it gives to and is taken from by foreigners.
The filthy Jews prostituting my country will pay.

>economy
A system where a ridiculously wealthy few at the top control virtually everything, a painfully rigged game
>water/food
You have to work to buy this, its not given away for free
>police
Literally do nothing but make most peoples live worse 98% of the time. When was the last time a policeman actually did good for you? Revenue generation through traffic tickets and minor drug offenses is their primary goal.
>firemen
Most people will never experience a house fire

>Take some fucking responsibility for yourselves and GROW.
It ain't me

>virtuous girl
You know people have been saying marriage sucks for as long as it's been around right?

>Why are men today dropping out of society?

incentives

Why would I want to work a dead end job, in a concrete hell, next to niggers and mixed race mongrels, driving 70 on the freeway, with the prime view of chain fast food and department stores?

All of that is based on what you think are my obligations to society. That's not good enough, I reject your premise that I have any obligations to society. Persuade me to drop back in based on what benefits I will get from doing so.

Again -
>"you need to accept that you need to better yourself!"
>"[...]they don't take responsibility!'
>"take some fucking responsibility for yourselves and GROW"
Yeah, you're damned right I think I have no obligation to try. Persuade me that its in my interests to do so. That I'll be better off if I do than if I don't, after accounting for the time and effort I'd spend doing so that I could spend watching anime or playing vidya. If you want me to do something, you persuade me. Don't just baselessly claim I have some duty to, I don't.

>Why would I want to work a dead end job
nobody wants to work a dead end job, they get stuck in them because they need money.

Every fucking idiot on this board KNOWS the lonely path they are choosing, they just choose it because it's easy.

You play vidya and hide at home because it's EASY. You don't exercise because it's EASY. You masturbate excessively because it's EASY.

What happens in 20 years? What will you have to be proud of? You'll be chugging along doing the same old shit wishing you weren't too old to change. You can maximise your own happiness by really making an effort to improve yourself and your life.

I don't have to convince you. Rot for all I care, I just think it's sad to watch a human being turn into a base animal that eats, sleeps, entertains itself, masturbates, repeat. It's like being a rat in a cage. Life is out there but you don't even want to participate. Fine. But one day the loneliness and the self hate will get too much breh and you'll wish you'd taken my advice.

>they just choose it because it's easy.
>being a lonely wreck and knowing that is easy
>implying normalfags haven't turned robots into social recluses by ostracizing them for whatever reason or from other factors to the point of not wanting to be in public
Normalfags and their just world, huh?

There is no hope for the future. Any smart male has figured it out. Its just going to get worse.
AI and automation are going to decimate the middle class creating vast poverty. open borders immigration policy will destroy western white countries because the capitalist need more cheap slave labor and consumers to fulfill their neanderthal capitalist quest for infinite growth. The media and corporations bend over backwards to cater to feminism and roasties while mocking and destroying men, calling masculinity "toxic". Even if you somehow find a woman she will cheat on you or divorce you and take all your money. If you want to go to college you have to acquire thousands of dollars in debt you will never be able to pay off. Global warming will lead to violent weather events. The obesity rate is the highest its ever been and only getting higher. IQ is in decline, that isnt some snarky remark, it is legitimately in decline. Fertility rates in the first world are in massive decline preventing the population from replacing itself. The suicide rate keeps increasing. More and more financial laws are stripped away allowing massive corporations to eat each other and form monopolies. Privatization and wealth inequality increasing. There is basically no diffrence between the two main politcal parties besides who can lick the boots of the rich the best. Society has become a socially atomized, tribalistic, identity politics obbssed fragmented mess incapable of ever uniting as a whole and in a never ending cultural war with itself. Liberal sexual liberation under capitalism has led to a glut of frustrated sexless men who either kill themselves or take it out violently on others. If you go outside there is a chance the refugees might blow up, if you have children they might get shot at school. China will soon eclpise the west economically.

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time is runnnnning out

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You don't get anything extra for playing on hard.
That's the point.
Protip: Don't lecture people on what's going to make them happy. That would necessitate empathy.

People work to afford a house and kids, right? I don't want kids. No woman will marry me. And alone, with my career prospects (which don't exist as someone who's been NEET for many years with no education or skills and is completely unlikable) I'll never be able to afford a house.

So... why work? What's the point? There's nothing to be gained. There's no opportunity and even if I do get it all it's a dice roll to see whether I get to keep it. Not worth it.

>it's EASY
Yep. Why shouldn't I choose the easy path? Keep in mind I reject any assertion that I have a responsibility to society.

>What happens in 20 years? What will you have to be proud of?
I probably just continue what I'm doing. What would I have to be proud of under your system, anyway? A lot of time spent supporting some roastie, raising a brat of a kid, and working for some asshole boss? Yeah, I'll be really proud of all that shit when I'm old and gray.

>I don't have to convince you. Rot for all I care, I just think it's sad to watch a human being turn into a base animal that eats, sleeps, entertains itself, masturbates, repeat
You normies are the same pathetic animals, just with fapping and vidya replaced with work and TV and occasionally drinking with some other normies, when your wife permits you to. If I'm gonna be some insignificant, pathetic cog in a machine, I'd rather have fun doing it. When we're on our deathbeds, I'll regret all the time I spent playing games, and you'll regret all the time you spent at work. At least I'll have had some fun playing games.

>tribalistic
I think at least that part has been the same since the dawn of humanity.
Now it's just instead of spears and ape-like chattering, you have fists and gossip/rumors.

They aren't dropping from society, they were kicked out. Also, what "society" are you referring to. There seem to be a lot of men on Jow Forums.

based.

origibased

>le all women are roasties meme
spot the virgin

enjoy being on your deathbed surrounded by your kids and loved ones

oh wait

it's easy to wallow in your misery
it's hard to fight back against your own mind telling you to give up and to improve yourself
shit ain't fair, people are mean, people ostracise you
so you're just going to let them do that and be a sad cunt?
or instead take my path and live in your own radiance, player

just because something's difficult and requires willpower, doesn't mean it's worthwhile.

Former NEET/hikki here. I am only participating in society to one day escape from it. My dream is to go Dick Proenneke mode and live off the land in the wilderness, but it's a long way off. Still, Dick didn't head into the wild until he was 52. There is time.

the defeatism wafts from you like manure

There's no particular odor that belongs to ignorant and misplaced assertions of value, but if there was I'd accuse you of emitting it too.

Times are tough. More women go to university than men, there's a lot of preferential hiring for women as well, the trades are good but can be difficult to get into what with union rules, and blue-collar jobs have just about disappeared. It's harder for a man to earn a living, and the allure of porn and video games is stronger than it ever has been in human history. It's only natural that this would cause more men to drop out (not as a conscious decision, but due to external factors).

That's just a pejorative term for recognizing when there's no point in doing something. And you haven't made much of a case that there's a point in participating in society - working a job and climbing the ladder, getting married, having kids, """self-improvement""" in general. You seem to just think that, from first principles, that that's something that you're supposed to do, even if you get nothing from it. "Heresy!", you say. "Of course you're supposed to derive innate satisfaction from this thing that you're supposed to do because I think it good and proper!" Nah, suck my dick.

So I ask you again, make a case that your life of """self-improvement""" is worth the effort. That its concrete, tangible benefits to me outweigh its heavy cost.

it's literally pointless to make any argument with you because you've already made up your mind and you don't want to change it. you're a lost cause breh, you're completely missing the point.

The position of having a loving wife and kids and working a good job is better than being a NEET and relying on video games and porn to keep you going. I don't see why you shouldn't at least try. Although if it ends in failure I understand.

without society you'd all be dead.

No, people in america used to think themselves as americans. It was only recently that people started thinking of themselves as their race or gender or sex or million other snowflake options.

The capitalists need the population fighting each other instead of uniting as an economic class and demanding improvements to their material conditions

so they will have black and white people fight over statues, or men and women fight over video games, and it will never end and the capitalist will profit off the agony of the population

If you were wondering. Yes, this is hell. This is the hell of the bible. It will never end. The future is a capitalist boot stomping on your face forever and charging you ten dollars.

The two biggest historical tragedies of mankind were the nazis losing at Stalingrad and the fall of the berlin wall

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So why should I work very hard against long odds when I have porn and video games right now?

Surely you've heard the innumerable stories of men who tried to have a loving wife and kids and got burned. Badly. It's been so common for so long that it's a cliche, the older, wiser guy advising the young one "Don't get married, kid, it ends in tears". And alimony payments and your kid hating you and so on, all sorts of things that are far worse than the minor regret of never trying. That minor regret is akin to hearing about some dude winning the lottery and thinking "Gee, wish I'd bought a ticket..." Yeah, but you still wouldn't have won. If the ticket had cost 20 years of your life, would you still wish you'd gotten one? I wouldn't.

The complete failure in logic here is that there is no concrete statistic on the chance of a marriage failing. You're implying it's a 0.01% chance to work out and 99.99% chance to go wrong, which is complete BS. You're delusional.

>>find a virtuous girl
Literally how

More than half of all marriages end in divorce, and plenty of the marriages that survive are unhappy. If I wanted to be snarkier I'd add that 100% of all divorces began with a marriage.

>dumbass roasties
What did he mean by this
>you have a duty to muh society
Nice spook friendo

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with society we feel like we died inside a long time ago.

>people in america used to think themselves as americans. It was only recently that people started thinking of themselves as their race or gender or sex or million other snowflake options.
That's just flat out false.
>so they will have black and white people fight over statues, or men and women fight over video games, and it will never end and the capitalist will profit off the agony of the population
That doesn't make any sense. How are they profiting? If a business wants to maximize profit it only makes sense to not be discriminatory in any way.
Go back to Jow Forumspolitics faggot.

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>be a man
I still have a penis since the last time I checked
>improve yourself physically, and with skills and virtues
I read alot and always improve my gaming skills. For virtues I got fortitude and honesty
>lower your standards for appearance
Fuck off roastie no one wants your old used up vag. If I cant date a qt 12 year old virgin I would literally choose celibacy.
>find a virtuous girl
I would but the only way to date a virgin these dats us to date 14 or ypunger which was made conveniently illegal by Schlomo

>le 50% meme

if you control for only first marriages on 20% end in divorce

>some marriages fail so I won't even try

dat beta logic

What "dropping out"? Most men haven't "dropped out". Most men on Jow Forums haven't even "dropped out". That more women than men are going to university or whatever doesn't mean dick because university doesn't in actually mean dick for most people anyway; the more people who stop blowing money on meme degrees or in pursuit of meme careers and start going for real jobs just ripe for occupying, the better.

Nice copout, you beta faggot.

Replace capitalist with jew and I agree 100%

1/3 children have parents that are divorced were i came from and that 1/3 is only growing, i come from a family were both parents are divocred i used to know alot of ppl that was in the same situation take your head out of you your ass and look what is really happening.

Fuck society to hell... Let it fall to pieces. It's 2018 and American life as I know it is shit. Everything we were told was a fucking lie.

What is even the point of marriage? You can just get a surrogacy if you want kids. Friends if you want companionship and VR porn or a doll if you want sex.
Marriage is a scam and there is no point in financially entangling yourself with a roastie

>people in america used to think themselves as americans. It was only recently that people started thinking of themselves as their race

How is it even possible for a human being to get to the point where they say something like this?

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No, people in america used to think themselves as americans. It was only recently that people started thinking of themselves as their race or gender or sex or million other snowflake options.
The most ahistorical sentence ever written on this site. Kys.

Define "dropping out" I work part time to sustain my basic needs and hobbies and I spend all my free time on myself and my hobbies (vidya anime guns 2D etc) Im not a parasite. Im not a NEET living off of others. As fas as I can see I have no further duty to society as long as I pay my taxes and bills to Uncle Sam and Uncle Schlomo.

Fuck off if you want ne to eork my ass kff to support a useless roastie.

Neglect. Nobody cares about their problems, feelings or life. We treat men like they are worthless and disposable. That and men can have unlimited artificial pleasure with porn and video games.

The real redpill is mentally checking out while simultaneously still participating.
I lost my soul a while ago. See, most of you guy are still memed little normies who are in the angst stage of coming to terms with the fact that your manic pixie anima isn't going to materialize in front of you and guide you on an anime adventure. Once you let go of that kind of crap you can begin to see clearly and really become a man. Society is just a massive game for me to play. I play it and I'm min-maxing myself every day. Of course I could sit at home all day shitposting with you all, but it's boring. Most of you are saying stuff like "why should i lift a finger when I can watch porn and play video games?" ...who are you guys kidding? We've all watched porn and played video games. We did it ad naseum. It's BORING and you know it.

>The real redpill is mentally checking out while simultaneously still participating.
I lost my soul a while ago. See, most of you guys are still memed little normies who are in the angst stage of coming to terms with the fact that your manic pixie anima isn't going to materialize in front of you and guide you on an anime adventure. Once you let go of that kind of crap you can begin to see clearly and really become a man. Society is just a massive game for me to play. I play it and I'm min-maxing myself every day. Of course I could sit at home all day shitposting with you all, but it's boring. Most of you are saying stuff like "why should i lift a finger when I can watch porn and play video games?" ...who are you guys kidding? We've all watched porn and played video games. We did it ad naseum. It's BORING and you know it.

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People can say marriage has progressed to the point where it's purely about love, but others could fairly make the point that had DEGRADED to the point where it has purely sentimental value. The problem with basing things on mere sentiment is that sentiments can change easily. What does that mean for an institution with purely sentimental value? Divorce rates up the ass.

You see, this is the problem with pol. They dont see the big picture. They only see jews. As if other ethnic and racial groups arent part of the exploitative class

Lack or money, careers, cheap housing, low social status, never having kids.

>You play vidya and hide at home because it's EASY. You don't exercise because it's EASY. You masturbate excessively because it's EASY
I just got off work and my feet hurt.
I work out enough to lose weight.
I jerk off because i dont demand women fuck me everytime i pop and erection.
You sound like a women

>enjoy being on your deathbed surrounded by your kids and loved ones
>oh wait
Im planing on dying quickly

>tfw you realize these are the same people who can't figure out what "snowflake" implies either

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So quit the porn and vidya, basically.

No, because anything is possible if you put your mind to it, therefore the concept of futility is itself a fallacy.
Consider yourself fact-checked.

>find a virtuous girl
As soon as I start shitting gold.

>find a virtuous girl

Naive or stupid, either way you're dead wrong.

>anything is possible if you put your mind to it
Then why do you and so many others settle for mediocrity? The answer is that tripe makes you feel better about yourself. No, not everything is possible for everyone. There are people better than you could ever hope to be. Check that ego.

It only serves to benefit those above me.
The only reason I'm still working right now is so I can buy a van, pimp it out, and live out my dream of bucket list dream of being a nomad with my dog. Then I'm killing myself.
No way in hell will I be working in this office for the next 30 or so years of my life.

Nah just find spmething in life that gices you meaning or kearn to live life like a happy syssiphus

No incentive, simple as that

Simple, I'd rather do what I want to do than do what I don't want to do.

This
I work part time and spend all my time travelling or playing vidya. I participate in siciety when I want and check put when I want

If you are not actively participating in society, but also not living off the land (as fucking no-one here is) then to sit there and ask 'what has society ever done for me' is laughably childish. You are literally being supported by society right now, either through government handouts or family. It's because of society that you can sit there mashing a keyboard to simulate the social interraction you crave so much. Grow the fuck up you sponging pieces of shit.

I don't think a mindless platitude you hear in educational cartoons counts as a fact, user

What a poignant observation.
You must be very intelligent, I can see that. Here's your gold star.

And one could equally retort that they had no choice in the matter. That they were brought into the world and plopped into society whether they wanted to be or not, and often aren't given the option to go off innawoods and live off the land. You don't get to demand that people pay for what they've been given, if they had no choice in whether or not they wanted to receive it.

>implying I'm not the billionaire President of the United States with a supermodel wife

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>imagine coping this hard when you could just set your mind to doing better

society coerces people into slavery. it doesn't reward fair and honest work. it doesn't reward visionaries. it does not reward honor or nobility. society is a machine and people are sacrificed to it. i work a job and i get paid well-- so long as i am willing to sacrifice my entire fucking day to eating corporate shit doing w/e stupid shit i am forced to do. 13 hour days of hard undermanned work motherfucker... for what? a clown for a president, expensive rent, cuntfuck women that neither respect nor value men, bullshit media, bullshit entertainment, bullshit insurance systems, no free healthcare, no good music!!!

Nigger, your bullshit is the highest form of coping for normcucks who can't accept harsh reality. Stick to buying lottery tickets, it's the only hope you have of maybe becoming someone.

Oh wow without fucking air I'd be dead too
I'm not trying to replenish the earth's oxygen levels though

If I thought positively, I would definitely win the lottery.
When will optimismlets learn?

Wow user you saved my life
I'm gonna go get a shit job and then try and convince myself until the day I die that I'm secretly fulfilled and content

>You dumbass roasties
what?

>lower your standards for appearance
>even though you've spent far more time on improving yourself than the vast majority of women

I fucking hate being alive.

That's the spirit, bud!
now original

Society is the exact opposite of natural selection. The irony is the most focal points of society are convince they're products of natural selection while being the most furthest removed from it while insisting natural selection must be applied to everyone else but them.

God destroy this fucking world if you have any mercy please.

>I don't have to convince you. Rot for all I care, I just think it's sad to watch a human being turn into a base animal that eats, sleeps, entertains itself, masturbates, repeat. It's like being a rat in a cage. Life is out there but you don't even want to participate. Fine. But one day the loneliness and the self hate will get too much breh and you'll wish you'd taken my advice.

That reminds of me of the beautiful ones from the utopia mice experiment, the attempt was to reach the maximum population of mice possible and see what would happen then. It never made it, some mice withdrew and spent all their times grooming, eating and drinking. Once the mice civilization fell, the beautiful ones could no longer breed, as they never got the skills to do so.

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