Hello Jow Forums I'd like to ask you what your opinion on homosexuality is.
As for me, I am gay
I think homosexuality is natrual (it has been observed in animals). I don't think it's normal as homosexuals make a small procent of the population, to be normal we'd have to make up more than ~40 procent
I believe that pride parades are ok, they are a means to an end, that being to show that being gay is natrual.
I'd like to hear what you think.
Let's try to be nice to eachother.
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Whatever, don't push it in other people's faces. Seriously, it's that fucking simple.
If someone gets upset at you for kissing in public that's one thing, but you're just as much of an asshole if you think others NEED to know you're gay.
People who have a "gay lifestyle" or have "pride" need to be hung. I say that as a faggot myself.
It's a mental "illness", but it doesn't hurt anyone nor does it negatively affect the gay person's life (unless they live in the middle east). Nothing left to say.
I'm not trying to play semantics, but before any useful dialogue can be had, you need to define the term "natural"
i want to punch every single gay faggot for forcing pride on FUCKING KIDS jesus christ you fags are poisoning the youth walking around with fucking dildos jesus fucking christ i hope you all get run over by the same car last year
worked with/was friends with a lot of gay dudes when i was younger and they were all bros. some were more flamboyant and more obvious than others but they were all nice guys who just happened to like dick more than pussy
Occurs in nature without human intervention. The only way homosexuality couldn't be considered "natural" is if you use some kind of religious/moral definition of "natural" and "nature".
>All faggots are the same person with the same exact beliefs
>all faggots participate in the same action each year
>hurr durr u r cherypecking!!!!!
faggot mindset
i wish i saved that "after a long talk we decided our son is transgender" image
>all faggots participate in the same action each year
Got some kind of source for this?
Pride.
>he thinks taking children to see dildos is normal
the absolute state
What makes you think literally all faggots participate or even support pridefaggotry?
Straight guy from a pretty conservative country here (openly gay people are EXTREMELY rare and are pointed out and ridiculed). I think it's "natural" and that a certain % of the population is born homosexual and bisexual. As such, I don't think they deserve to be discriminated. However, I also think that the % is regularly overblown and misrepresented in media to help the "gay agenda" or whatever, like some publications saying that 10% of all men are gay which is obviously a ridiculously high number. I also hate "gay culture" meaning, pride parades where people walk around dressed like degenerates with strap ons and shit (this doesn't tell people that you're "normal" it tells people that you're disgusting), as well as overly feminized gay guys that act like a fake gay sitcom stereotype. Point is, if you're a normal human being that acts like a normal human being, you're fine by me, regardless of what you do in your bedroom. If you act like the worst stereotype about your people, then you're not fine by me
Literally all faggots participate or even support pridefaggotry.
Op here
I agree with you. The 'gay lifestile' people give us a bad name.
All faggots DO participate in pridefaggotry because it supports their movement, while I do love seeing homosexual suicide rates skyrocket I dont like it when homosexual rates also skyrocket, because of shitty "evry1 is quel!!!!" movements they'll think it's fucking ok to go against the bibble, not only religion does not support this but a vast majority
the pride movement is the reason we can't have nice things, faggots walking around creating more faggots
glad gay marriage is illegal in some countries,
russia must be the basest, fun fact, its illegal to let kids know gays even exist there, based putin
but that's besides the point
tl;dr: the pride movement supports faggots thus faggots support the pride movement, and yes literally all faggots support it
>inb4returd
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How many people arre forceing their religion on theire kids?
People can raise their kids however they want.
being gay or bi is as "natural" as being straight. there is absolutely nothing wrong it.
however i personally think people who base their personality and life style around their sexuality are cringe. straight people do this too, e.g. the chick that just wants to settle down and have kids, dresses super feminine, cooks, etc. / the guy who wants to sow his seed in everything he sees, just wants to raise a family and nothing more, blah blah
No, people cant force their kids into trapfaggotry thinking it's ok without the kids consent, theyre fucking stupid and can be manipulated very fast by pride parents
fucking hell i hope it becomes illegal by 2020
And why is it ok for people to force their religion on their kids? Forceing any ideology on kids is bad.
Forcing something that won't potentially ruin their lives is a start
Where is the dividing line between humans/humanity and nature? I really don't mean to be pedantic, but really it's all word games
It's really annoying when people call others ill even though those people aren't suffering at all from the condition that is supposedly making them ill.
Let me make up my mind as to whether or not I'm ill. It isn't your call.
>Literally all faggots participate or even support pridefaggotry.
gay here
I don't support or participate in pridefaggotry because it's both cringe and pathetic as fuck.
Great your gay, you don't need to fucking March or shove it in other peoples faces to make yourselves feel special.
Nature encompasses humans and their creation. The line is arbitrary, but no matter where you place it humans are still a part of nature, and humans (as well as other animals) have been observed to have homosexual behaviors. It's natural because it occurs in nature without human intervention. If humans disappeared you can safely assume a small amount of animals would still have homosexual behavior.
When people say homosexuality isn't "natural" they mean to say it's against moral nature, aka against God's decrees. To these people it's "natural" for a man to want to fuck a woman in the same way it's "natural" for the Earth to orbit around the star; There's order in the universe governed by laws, planets governed by the laws of physics and humans governed by the laws of nature.
That's a naive, Victorian way of looking at physics and human nature however.
What if you're naturally effeminate either because of your upbringing/socialization during formative years or as a result of genetics? I have gayvoice because all of my friends were girls growing up and I literally learned how to talk from them. I'm not trying to be a caricature or a stereotype, if anything I really like being an individual and probably think of myself as more of one than I am. But being feminine is in my blood and it's who I am. Am I fake just because some other people are feminine too (maybe because it's "in", but more likely for similar reasons)?
I understand being jarred by it because it's atypical in an instinctual sense, though.
Homosexuality is a genetic or epigenetic disorder we should be screening for and aborting like a downie
>Let me make up my mind as to whether or not I'm ill. It isn't your call.
i want to punch every single straight faggot for forcing heteronormative culture on FUCKING KIDS jesus christ you straights are poisoning the youth walking around with fucking guns and baseball bats, beating up queer people, jesus fucking christ i hope you all get run over by the same car last year
gay monkeys doesn't mean it's cool to be gay, I hate this point. They throw feces at each other and jack off in front of each other.
Also they're monkeys.
Pride parades are dumb, they shouldn't do them, if they want people to accept them that's like the last thing they should do.
>Nature encompasses humans and their creation. The line is arbitrary, but no matter where you place it humans are still a part of nature, and humans (as well as other animals) have been observed to have homosexual behaviors.
Humans will never be the part of nature the same way they did 5 million years ago, nature basically disowned us and nobody cares.
Animals, like humans, also have a chance of being retarded, the retarded ones decide to have sex with the same gender as theirs, aswell as humans, except they've been brainwashed to specifically think for themselves, that way fags arent hated by the society anymore because it's "nurmal 2 have your oun opinion"
>t's natural because it occurs in nature without human intervention. If humans disappeared you can safely assume a small amount of animals would still have homosexual behavior.
Yes, of course it's natural for the retarded ones, we can't intervene with retardation so we say fuck it.
>When people say homosexuality isn't "natural" they mean to say it's against moral nature, aka against God's decrees. To these people it's "natural" for a man to want to fuck a woman in the same way it's "natural" for the Earth to orbit around the star;
Yes, it will never be natural to have sex with the same gender, it will never be natural for the earth to orbit jupiter or any big planet equivalent to the sun
>There's order in the universe governed by laws, planets governed by the laws of physics and humans governed by the laws of nature.
That's a naive, Victorian way of looking at physics and human nature however.
It's completely NOT naive, betraying the words of nature is NOT natural, sex was made specifically to reproduce, with the other gender it's there just to fix their horniness
Fun fact: Homosexuality is semi-accepted in the LGBT community. The Media, which is controlled by Jewish families, are pro-LGBT as well. Even President Trump keeps the LGBT on his good side.
White Cis Christian society is dead. Fucking deal with it nigger.
>if it pru joos is good
is this what ever homosexual thinks?
no jews will never make a good thing EVER, they're the reason prince charles married a shitty nigger instead of a gorgeous white.
>Even President Trump keeps the LGBT on his good side.
yes, and president putin hates it, what's your argument? russia is 10x better than america.
>White Cis Christian society is dead. Fucking deal with it nigger.
while religion isnt pro lgbt its completely unrelated to the argument
I agree with this perfectly, and your explanation encompasses everything that I was going to say. Everything is "natural" because the entirety of the universe is a singule, albeit incomprehensibly complex, chemical reaction. Well, really, it's more akin to the input of starter information into the physics equations which explain how the universe works, and then following that information along as it changes and transforms until a final output is attained.
>nature basically disowned us and nobody cares.
Lmao literally wat
>sex was made specifically to reproduce, with the other gender it's there just to fix their horniness
Factually incorrect. There was no intent when sex was "made" (if you can even use that term). Things that spread/reproduce have offspring which tend to do the same, leading to the most efficient ones being the most prevalent, while those that don't reproduce don't pass on those characteristics. That's all there is to it.
>Humans will never be the part of nature the same way they did 5 million years ago, nature basically disowned us and nobody cares.
Nature is a transcendental concept, closely related to the idea of a "Universe". We can describe nature, but only because we say everything that is even describable is part of it. Humans are always going to be part of nature for that reason.
>Animals, like humans, also have a chance of being retarded, the retarded ones decide to have sex with the same gender as theirs, aswell as humans, except they've been brainwashed to specifically think for themselves, that way fags arent hated by the society anymore because it's "nurmal 2 have your oun opinion"
>Yes, of course it's natural for the retarded ones, we can't intervene with retardation so we say fuck it.
I never argued homosexuality is useful, but it certainly is a natural phenomenon that happens both with humans and animals.
>Yes, it will never be natural to have sex with the same gender, it will never be natural for the earth to orbit jupiter or any big planet equivalent to the sun
It happens in nature, therefore it's natural. You can't ignore observation just because you disagree with it.
>It's completely NOT naive, betraying the words of nature is NOT natural, sex was made specifically to reproduce, with the other gender it's there just to fix their horniness
Why do you think sex was made, or designed? Who designed it? God?
If there's a God then it's part of nature, just like everything else. Nature is the only thing that is worthy of being called a God, and it works on the principles of chaos and destruction, not design and virtue.
if i am attracted to men and women but i dont really care about women at all does it mean im a homo
>had to solve 15 click all captchas for this shitpost
I'm looking for that holy grail homoboy like Totsuka that will make me question my heterosexuality but all i find are guys
disgusting
>Nature is a transcendental concept, closely related to the idea of a "Universe". We can describe nature, but only because we say everything that is even describable is part of it. Humans are always going to be part of nature for that reason.
sure why not i was retarded there you win a 1/3 of the argument
>I never argued homosexuality is useful, but it certainly is a natural phenomenon that happens both with humans and animals.
>natural
it was never natural to not reproduce
>It happens in nature, therefore it's natural. You can't ignore observation just because you disagree with it.
ebola happens in the nature but no way in hell that is good
>Why do you think sex was made, or designed? Who designed it? God?
If there's a God then it's part of nature, just like everything else. Nature is the only thing that is worthy of being called a God, and it works on the principles of chaos and destruction, not design and virtue.
I have never claimed God or any other religious figure made sex, nature itself as you call it made it, for the act of procreatian with a perfect mate, however that perfect mate in rare cases can be one of the same sex, meaning that it will never be able to reproduce as nature designed us to.
if we weren't made to reproduce then why can't we divide or become hermaphrodites and not need a mate?
>Lmao literally wat
banter or retardese
>Factually incorrect. There was no intent when sex was "made" (if you can even use that term).
Factually correct, sex has evolved from the early HOMO sapiens to the late human.
>Things that spread/reproduce have offspring which tend to do the same, leading to the most efficient ones being the most prevalent, while those that don't reproduce don't pass on those characteristics.
but it's not the way nature intended as the previous poster said.
I don't care if someone is homosexual, to me it's just not some kind of special attribute or one that I want to hear about, I don't care about "pride", I do not give a fuck about someone loving dick in the same vein of not giving a fuck about my straight co-worker talking about women.
It just seems like such a non-issue, live and let live. I think people would agree there are more important topics than this shit that should have more debate in the mainstream like the negative effects of the internet in our everyday lives, more people becoming recluse which is probably a sympton of the former, or the demon possessed elite that are plotting to bring about the end of the human world.
Iktfb (maybe)
Like someone who has all of those traditional maidenly virtues, who's gentle, kind and nurturing, and who's pure and maybe a bit naive. They never commit an undue offense and are always compassionate. Someone like that is too good for this world anyway and is probably already taken (maybe even by a chick).
>demon possessed elite
Is this literal or metaphorical?
I'm also gay, but I believe that homosexuality should be made illegal, and suspected homosexuals should be socially astracized.
Homosexuality is not normal, it is not natural, and it is fucking disgusting.
Pride parades should be outlawed. Faggots should be quaking in their gay fucking high heels about being outed.
This was the way it was for hundreds of years. The Christians were right, the slippery slope is absolutely real.
Having a tolerant attitude has lead to what we currently have.
If you are a fag, you must be incrementally suppressed and either bullied to suicide or shoved so far in the closet you move away from civilized society and never return.
I don't care if you keep it in your personal life. If your personality is mostly defined by what you put your dick into/take up the ass, you are a void of a personality, and it wouldn't be a loss if you died. Pride parades are absolutely degenerate and they should not exist. Homosexuality should not be normalized, it should be taboo and kept in the closet. You have the internet now, there is no excuse for flagrant faggotry.
Tl;dr no one needs to know you're gay, keep it to yourself
being gay, its ok.
gay pride parades, fucking stupid and should be stopped
Being okay with faggots even existing is what led to this mess in the first place. Our attitude should be illiberal and intolerant.
Gays should burn so society doesn't have to - though it does seem a bit tough. Life isn't fair I guess. I'm bisexual but will probably never risk it with another man. If you are gay but don't have the feminine/masculine paradigm (i.e someone wears the pants), then you are a 'worse' type of gay to normal.
fun fact, back then cigarettes were called fags, faggots got their name because they were used to be put on these long sticks and burned to death
Kek. Back in the good old days
twink chaser / pederast / prison gay whatever you want to call it
>tfw most degenerate / immoral form of sexuality
all my partners grow old and change into men, none of my attachments are permanent. in order to get what i want i have to be an abuser and a manipulator, i will never experience true love.
I just don't know anymore, my friend.
>Hello Jow Forums I'd like to ask you what your opinion on homosexuality is.
kill yourself
The universe doesn't work like that (un?)fortunately. The future doesn't exist, and is not yet determined. Quantum mechanics strongly suggests that reality doesn't have a definite state until the undefined state interacts (entangles) with a state that's defined.
Cause and effect is not a fundamental aspect of reality. Hell, time isn't even fundamental. There's tons of evidence against a (fundamentally) deterministic view on physics.
The physics of everyday life is only deterministic because the uncertainties are extremely small. But even then chaotic dynamics still makes it physically impossible to predict complex systems.
>it was never natural to not reproduce
Reproduction didn't exist for millions (possibly billions) of years. Many organisms still didn't evolve to use it.
>ebola happens in the nature but no way in hell that is good
What does that have to do with the fact ebola is natural however? No one is arguing homosexuality or ebola are "good" or "bad".
>I have never claimed God or any other religious figure made sex, nature itself as you call it made it
Nature doesn't create life. It doesn't design things that make animals' lives easier. All nature does destroy systems which cannot effectively resist destruction. For animals what matters isn't reproduction, it's propagation of genetic information. You don't need sex to protect your genes effectively. Look at life deep in the Earth's crust.
>if we weren't made to reproduce then why can't we divide or become hermaphrodites and not need a mate?
Sex allows complex organisms to better protect genetic information from destruction, while also allowing faster genetic changes. That increases the odds of successful transmission and preservation of genetic information. Reproduction isn't special.
The prime function of an organism is to reproduce.
Imagine deluding yourself so hard that you start pulling in quantum mechanics to try and prove it's totally fine for you to take a dick in your ass. This is next level delusion.
>Literally all faggots participate or even support pridefaggotry.
pridefaggotry is unironically more straight people than gay people these days
>Reproduction didn't exist for millions (possibly billions) of years. Many organisms still didn't evolve to use it.
many INFERIOR organism still don't use it as there is no point to it, however for big predators there is, the dinosaurs evolved to have sex aswell as ALOT of mammals, period
>What does that have to do with the fact ebola is natural however?
alot, you call homosexuality natural when it isnt good nor natural in any way
>No one is arguing homosexuality or ebola are "good" or "bad".
"Factually" incorrect.
>Nature doesn't create life. It doesn't design things that make animals' lives easier
of course it does, take fish for example, they evolved to live in the water, nature designed them to have gills and a hydrodinamic body shape and shit
>All nature does destroy systems which cannot effectively resist destruction.
Nature also creates systems
>For animals what matters isn't reproduction
Yes it does, for endangered ones specifically, take for example the dodo, if they were gay they would never be able to reproduce and thus their extinction wouldve been 10x faster
>You don't need sex to protect your genes effectively. Look at life deep in the Earth's crust.
But you need sex to preserve them for your offsprings however.
>Sex allows complex organisms to better protect genetic information from destruction,
Division allows the same animal to make potentially infinites of himself with the same exact genes as the first one's.
> That increases the odds of successful transmission and preservation of genetic information. Reproduction isn't special.
while it may not be common and special it's important for you know, not being extinct.
>This was the way it was for hundreds of years.
Nature has been doing its work for 14.6 billion years. In fact nature doesn't even need time, because time itself as a part of nature.
>The Christians were right, the slippery slope is absolutely real.
>Having a tolerant attitude has lead to what we currently have.
The root of all degeneracy is individualism. Society shifted its focus away from family, clan, and neighbor toward the individual, identity, and self-worth.
Hundreds of years ago if you were born into a low family you were never going to "make it" in life no matter what you did. In the new social order we have now, you are a failure if you aren't considered unique and successful. People flaunt things like money, sexuality, mental illnesses, the cities they live in, etc. just to show how interesting and different they are as an individual.
Even Jow Forums is entirely focused on the individual. Robots are upset that people find them uninteresting, leading to isolation and virginity.
Christians were only right when they said the family unit was the fundamental unit of society, not the individual.
>If you are a fag, you must be incrementally suppressed and either bullied to suicide or shoved so far in the closet you move away from civilized society and never return.
And how exactly are you going to enact that?
Pride parades:
50% trannies
30% fag hags
10% jews
and then 5% children that will then become the 5% fags
At least we agree that the root of degeneracy is individualism. What's more individualistic and selfish than being gay?
Also we used to kill fags. Wouldn't be so hard to go back to that, big guy
imagine using quantum mechanics as an argument for homosexuality
>The prime function of an organism is to reproduce.
No, it's preservation and propagation of information. Many organisms do not, have not, and possibly never will reproduce.
Even the most simple life contain information, usually in the form of RNA or DNA.
>Imagine deluding yourself so hard that you start pulling in quantum mechanics to try and prove it's totally fine for you to take a dick in your ass. This is next level delusion.
Where did I ever argue it was fine to take a dick in the ass? Mind quoting me?
>many INFERIOR organism
Inferior? You mean less complex right? They haven't had to change because they are by far the most successful forms of life. All life on the surface of the Earth could die right now and the ancient life in the mantle would keep on living as if nothing happened.
>alot, you call homosexuality natural when it isnt good nor natural in any way
It's natural. You cannot argue against that fact. It's a part of nature and happens without the help of humans. Natural. Natural doesn't mean "good" or "bad".
>"Factually" incorrect.
Where's the evidence then?
>of course it does, take fish for example...
No, they evolved from life that existed in the water. Life started in the ocean and moved to land. There is plenty of fossil evidence for this, as well as records of things like estimated CO2 and O2 levels in the ocean and air. Fish evolved gills by accident, and it happened to make it easier for them to survive and propagate.
>Nature also creates systems
Only by chance. The only way Nature can design is through evolved systems which have the ability to design, like people or beavers.
>if they were gay they would never be able to reproduce
You're right. That's why homosexuality is uncommon. Still happens naturally however.
>But you need sex to preserve them for your offsprings however.
No you don't. Many organisms don't.
Reproduction is effective, but it's not necessary at all. It's dumb to assume otherwise as well.
It's not a matter of shoving it in your face to show off, pride parades and other pro-gay movements exist to show the vast majority of the world that said minorities exist. No matter what you may think personally, there's likely many more out there with very negative/misinformed/not existent at all beliefs.
Hahahahaha your argument is that reproduction is unnecessary top kek
Threatening people with violence when you lose an argument is literally what niggers do.
And people wonder why Jews literally control society.
Where did I use quantum mechanics as an argument for homosexuality?
That may have been useful in the 1960s, when people still believed homosexuality was caused by demons and other nonsense, but it's nearly 2020. People are well aware of the existence of homosexuals. Acting like massive perverts in public is disgusting, even going so far as to flaunt your junk and perform sex acts in front of children.
Yes brainlet, Reproduction through sex is not fundamental. The only reproduction that is fundamental to ALL life is reproduction of information.
All other forms of reproduction are simply more efficient means of information propagation.
>"muh current year" posting in the current year plus three
nice
>Inferior? You mean less complex right?
Yes
>they haven't had to change because they are by far the most successful forms of life.
""""Factually"""" incorrect, while some microorganisms are designed to survive radiation, the vacuum of space or even without water for alot of years they may never have the success of more evolved organisms, they will never achieve anything other than existing.
>All life on the surface of the Earth could die right now and the ancient life in the mantle would keep on living as if nothing happened.
Not all of them really, some might die.... alot might die actually, however they're still inferior to the more intelligent homo sapien
>It's natural. You cannot argue against that fact.
No, nature NEVER intended sex with the same gender between species that reproduce with sex.
> It's a part of nature and happens without the help of humans. Natural. Natural doesn't mean "good" or "bad".
While it may happen its not like nature intended to, insert ebola argument again
>Where's the evidence then?
It's common biology.
>No, they evolved from life that existed in the water. Life started in the ocean and moved to land.
Yes, but not all of them evolve to move on land, they're also straight species that require a male and a female to reproduce, while it may not include penetration it's unnatural for 2 male fish to """"love""""" each other
>as well as records of things like estimated CO2 and O2 levels in the ocean and air. Fish evolved gills by accident
>Fish evolved gills by accident
Didn't you claim before everything goes in the natural order? surely evolving with gills is natural.
>Only by chance. The only way Nature can design is through evolved systems which have the ability to design, like people or beavers.
Not only by chance, volcanoes formed by the movement of tectonic plates, that is very natural, then the magma turned solid and created land then plants formed then animals decided to evolve on land
cont.
Yes, sometimes it's relevant to look at the past to see where society has made mistakes. One of those mistakes was thinking Christianity was right.
You shouldn't believe in demons and other supernatural nonsense in order to understand things like faggots.
It's not demons, it's brain disorders. A lot of those brain disorders probably stemmed from overly religious parenting as well.
>You're right. That's why homosexuality is uncommon. Still happens naturally however.
No, it was never natural for 2 of the same gender to love each other, that way they would never expand their gene pool
>No you don't. Many organisms don't.
Many organisms don't because they haven't evolved to and if they did it wouldn't be that much of a downgrade
>Reproduction is effective, but it's not necessary at all
It's very effective to spread your genes [2]
Not finding much to disagree with, here
>while some microorganisms are designed to survive radiation
Natural organisms are not designed period. There's no such thing as "design" when it comes to evolution and natural selection. Mutations are random, and natural selection only happens when new mutations give organisms significant advantages.
>however they're still inferior to the more intelligent homo sapien
Only in intelligence, but intelligence is unneeded. In terms of survival and propagation they are one of the more successful forms of life.
>No, nature NEVER intended sex with the same gender between species that reproduce with sex.
It never intended for anything. Sex happened randomly at some point in the past, but it stuck around because it was extremely advantageous. The sex we have today could have and likely evolved from a primitive form of sex that didn't involve genders at all.
>It's common biology.
You said I was arguing homosexuality was good. I didn't. You said it was factually wrong. You now say it's common biology. What are you even getting at here?
>Yes, but not all of them evolve to move on land, they're also straight species that require a male and a female to reproduce, while it may not include penetration it's unnatural for 2 male fish to """"love""""" each other
It's counter productive. It's likely happened, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was observed. There's a difference between being evolutionarily productive and being natural.
>Didn't you claim before everything goes in the natural order? surely evolving with gills is natural.
I used that as an example of naive thinking. The fundamental law of nature is chaotic changes and destruction. There's no moral laws of nature.
>Not only by chance, volcanoes formed by the movement of tectonic plates, that is very natural, then the magma turned solid and created land then plants formed then animals decided to evolve on land
They didn't decide, it happened randomly and survived because it was efficient.
I sort of agree with this guys point, we were evolved to mate with the opposite gender, but it doesnt harm anyone so why the fuck should i care if a person is gay or not.
>No, it was never natural for 2 of the same gender to love each other, that way they would never expand their gene pool
It was always natural. You're confusing "natural" with "productive". Nature isn't always productive, unless you think things like the bubonic plague weren't natural.
>Many organisms don't because they haven't evolved to and if they did it wouldn't be that much of a downgrade
They didn't evolve to because they were extremely successful at reproduction. Their genes stayed so pure that mutations didn't happen as often, and when they did it became energy waste and was lost to the less mutated organisms.
If you're going to argue reproduction is the goal of life, then simple organisms are the most successful forms of life by far.
>It's very effective to spread your genes [2]
Being effective isn't the same as being necessary. Life can't exist without information being reproduced accurately. Life can and does exist without sexual reproduction however.
Most life has sex, but that is a sign of how advantageous sex is to genetic information, not anything more or less.
>Natural organisms are not designed period. There's no such thing as "design" when it comes to evolution and natural selection. Mutations are random, and natural selection only happens when new mutations give organisms significant advantages.
"""""""""Factually"""""""""""" incorrect, evolution/mutations are not random, some species evolve to adapt to a certain biome they live in, take for example polar bears.
>Only in intelligence, but intelligence is unneeded. In terms of survival and propagation they are one of the more successful forms of life.
Intelligence is the main reason the human race survived all these years.
>It never intended for anything. Sex happened randomly at some point in the past, but it stuck around because it was extremely advantageous.
""""""""""""""Factually"""""""""""""" incorrect, nature intended everything, otherwise we wouldnt evolve to adapt to certain things
>The sex we have today could have and likely evolved from a primitive form of sex that didn't involve genders at all.
Human reproduction has always required 2 different gendered species for reproduction, no matter how unevolved we were.
>You said I was arguing homosexuality was good. I didn't. You said it was factually wrong. You now say it's common biology. What are you even getting at here?
My point is that homosexuality will never be natural in any way.
>I used that as an example of naive thinking. The fundamental law of nature is chaotic changes and destruction. There's no moral laws of nature.
>They didn't decide, it happened randomly and survived because it was efficient.
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""factually""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" incorrect. Aquatic-Only life wouldn't be that great, there'd be a limited evolution, while tectonic plates may move at random times the forming of a single island was necessary for new life to form.
>It was always natural. You're confusing "natural" with "productive". Nature isn't always productive, unless you think things like the bubonic plague weren't natural.
While the bubonic plague was catastrophic for humans, it was mostly composed of life things, that also wanted to survive and spread their genes through divisions.
>They didn't evolve to because they were extremely successful at reproduction. Their genes stayed so pure that mutations didn't happen as often, and when they did it became energy waste and was lost to the less mutated organisms.
Not as much of an energy waste as you'd think, it helped them survive millions of years prior
>Being effective isn't the same as being necessary. Life can't exist without information being reproduced accurately.
Not spreading your genes would be suicide for your specific race,
>Life can and does exist without sexual reproduction however.
Yes, but not for long since they will never have offsprings.
>Most life has sex, but that is a sign of how advantageous sex is to genetic information, not anything more or less.
Yes, sex is advantageous to genetic information, but not advantageous to the purpose of not spreading any genes
>"""""""""Factually"""""""""""" incorrect, evolution/mutations are not random, some species evolve to adapt to a certain biome they live in, take for example polar bears.
Polar Bears didn't get white fur because they live in snow environment, they survived easier because they had white fur. Evolution happens through genetic mutations that are culled naturally.
Nature/Organisms don't imagine the best way to change and then do it.
>Intelligence is the main reason the human race survived all these years.
There are plenty of organisms that have been around far longer than humans. Crocodiles for example existed alongside various dinosaurs millions of years ago.
Ironically human intelligence has lead to the start of a rather large mass extinction of life. If anything humans are like a parasite to life.
>nature intended everything, otherwise we wouldnt evolve to adapt to certain things
Nature doesn't intend anything. It doesn't have the capacity to think, imagine, or predict. There are plenty of useless mutations that survived. See: The male nipple, the human appendix, tonsils, goosebumps. Nature is random, natural selection just keeps the good stock around.
>Human reproduction has always required 2 different gendered species for reproduction, no matter how unevolved we were.
Humans have probably only existed for a few hundred thousand years. We have ancestors from billions of years ago that did not reproduce sexually.
>My point is that homosexuality will never be natural in any way.
Under what definition of "natural"?
>Aquatic-Only life wouldn't be that great, there'd be a limited evolution, while tectonic plates may move at random times the forming of a single island was necessary for new life to form.
Aquatic only life is how Earth used to be. Life almost certainly started around hydrothermal vents, before moving into the rest of the ocean, and finally onto land.
Plant life likely moved to land first, but it wasn't "designed" to move to land.
Homosexuality is a sin, and should be treated as such. People on here are arguing over whether it's natural or not, but who cares about that? Just because something is "natural" (occurs in nature), doesn't make it right.
Rape occurs in nature, therefore it's natural.
Cannibalism occurs in nature, therefore it's natural.
Incest occurs in nature, therefore it's natural.
Equating humans to animals only helps spread this degeneracy. The penis and vagina exist for a reason, and putting your dick in some dude's arse, which serves no functional purpose, is, as for as I'm concerned, unnatural.
>Polar Bears didn't get white fur because they live in snow environment, they survived easier because they had white fur.
wat, polar bears got the white fur because it exponentially helps them survive
>Evolution happens through genetic mutations that are culled naturally.
and that's natural
>There are plenty of organisms that have been around far longer than humans. Crocodiles for example existed alongside various dinosaurs millions of years ago.
Yes, they did not require intelligence since they're predators
>Ironically human intelligence has lead to the start of a rather large mass extinction of life. If anything humans are like a parasite to life.
and there's nothing wrong with that, humans 5 million years ago also became extinct
>Under what definition of "natural"?
under the definition that it isnt required by any living species ever.
>Aquatic only life is how Earth used to be. Life almost certainly started around hydrothermal vents, before moving into the rest of the ocean, and finally onto land.
Plant life likely moved to land first, but it wasn't "designed" to move to land.
Yes, but without plant life there would be no point in evolving to grow legs to go on land if theres nothing there.
>While the bubonic plague was catastrophic for humans, it was mostly composed of life things, that also wanted to survive and spread their genes through divisions.
Humans have caused the most destruction of life compared to any organism before it. That is also not productive to nature and life, but we still exist. Nature doesn't care about what is productive or not, it is random and unthinking.
>Not as much of an energy waste as you'd think, it helped them survive millions of years prior
The point is that you can frame "success" however you life. Nature doesn't care about what is or isn't successful because nature is a random process.
>Not spreading your genes would be suicide for your specific race,
You can spread your genetic information without sexual reproduction. Sex is not fundamental to life at all.
>Yes, but not for long since they will never have offsprings.
Reproduction can happen without sex. See: Asexual reproduction. Cell division is a simple example.
>Yes, sex is advantageous to genetic information, but not advantageous to the purpose of not spreading any genes
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it's only one of multiple ways to reproduce. It also doesn't change the fact that sex has come about randomly, possibly even multiple times independently.
I think gays should be crucified to a cross for being degenerates
>Humans have caused the most destruction of life compared to any organism before it. That is also not productive to nature and life, but we still exist. Nature doesn't care about what is productive or not, it is random and unthinking.
If nature was random and unthinking we still would be microorganism
>The point is that you can frame "success" however you life. Nature doesn't care about what is or isn't successful because nature is a random process.
again, if nature was random the whole world would be flipped around
>You can spread your genetic information without sexual reproduction. Sex is not fundamental to life at all.
No, you cannot spread your genes without a female to make your offspring, sex is required in our life.
>Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it's only one of multiple ways to reproduce. It also doesn't change the fact that sex has come about randomly, possibly even multiple times independently.
while sex might only be 1 out of how many reproduction methods are there, it's very common in mammals and other evolved organism
Just be fucking normal.
Stop parading and being "proud"
Stop talking like youre a fucking retarded woman
Stop gathering a large group to "invade" the "straight bars"
Just act like normal fucking people, who just so happen to enjoy taking a dick up your ass in your free time.
>polar bears got the white fur because it exponentially helps them survive
That's wrong. You are thinking about evolution in reverse. Polar Bears got white fur from genetic mutations. The bears that mutated thrived compared to bears with normal fur, and this allowed the white bears to pass their white fur genes on, which eventually became the norm.
Environmental stresses can accelerate this process, but it's still a process that happens randomly.
All life can do is change the odds of it happening, which is likely why sex is so ubiquitous.
>Yes, they did not require intelligence since they're predators
Predators require lots of intelligence. But that's another discussion that I'm not as prepared to argue.
>and there's nothing wrong with that, humans 5 million years ago also became extinct
You're missing the point. We are extremely counterproductive to the development of life. We are destroying more life than any organism ever has. If being natural was the same as being productive, such as males fucking females, then why did nature give rise to humans, the most destructive form of life by far?
>under the definition that it isnt required by any living species ever.
Homosexuality would still be natural in that case because asexual reproduction exists, which is homosexual by definition, seeing as the organisms only have one gender.
There are also plenty of fish that change their gender
evolution.berkeley.edu
Though that's still heterosexual in the end.
>Yes, but without plant life there would be no point in evolving to grow legs to go on land if theres nothing there.
It could have easily been animals started going on land to hide away from predators. There are fish that do this even today, despite the fact they do all their feeding in the water.
I think it's caused by what hormones babies receive in the womb. It can't be genetic, because that just wouldn't make sense considering natural selection. And it can't be a choice since I'm bi and don't remember making any choice. And I think all the chemicals in the water & food are interfering with fetus's development, and that's what's causing the increase in homosexuality & transsexuals. I hate pride parades, theyre full of degenerate exhibitionists and pedos.
>That's wrong. You are thinking about evolution in reverse. Polar Bears got white fur from genetic mutations. The bears that mutated thrived compared to bears with normal fur, and this allowed the white bears to pass their white fur genes on, which eventually became the norm.
>Environmental stresses can accelerate this process, but it's still a process that happens randomly.
>All life can do is change the odds of it happening, which is likely why sex is so ubiquitous.
While sudden changes in weather are happening randomly evolution isn't, if it suddenly started getting cold most animals would evolve to survive the harsh conditions, it would take some time but it will happen
>Predators require lots of intelligence. But that's another discussion that I'm not as prepared to argue.
as long as predators have powerful teeth they don't need that much INT
>You're missing the point. We are extremely counterproductive to the development of life. We are destroying more life than any organism ever has. If being natural was the same as being productive, such as males fucking females, then why did nature give rise to humans, the most destructive form of life by far?
Like most predators, humans also require alot of foods, there's a special vitamin that is only found in meat called B12 and it's necessary for arterial health, meaning that we also need to hunt to survive.
>Homosexuality would still be natural in that case because asexual reproduction exists, which is homosexual by definition, seeing as the organisms only have one gender.
>There are also plenty of fish that change their gender
>evolution.berkeley.edu
>Though that's still heterosexual in the end.
While fish can turn gay there would be no point in it.
>It could have easily been animals started going on land to hide away from predators. There are fish that do this even today, despite the fact they do all their feeding in the water.
The evolution wouldnt be that fast.
>While sudden changes in weather are happening randomly evolution isn't, if it suddenly started getting cold most animals would evolve to survive the harsh conditions, it would take some time but it will happen
That's true, but the genetic changes that happen are random. The ones that survive are determined by natural selection, but that doesn't mean animals have any plan on how to adapt. The adaptations just happen randomly, and the best ones survive.
Sex makes it so two sets of successful genes can change into a third set that may or may not have a better chance at survival in the same environment, giving genes flexibility to adapt quickly, but even that is a random process. It's not as if the proteins that manage our DNA are thinking which genes to take from the mom and which to take from the father.
>as long as predators have powerful teeth they don't need that much INT
They still need it, like most animals.
>Like most predators, humans also require alot of foods, there's a special vitamin that is only found in meat called B12 and it's necessary for arterial health, meaning that we also need to hunt to survive.
That doesn't explain why we destroyed so many environments which lead to so many species going extinct in such a short period of time. There's no sign of this slowing down either. We are living far outside anything that could be considered in balance with the rest of life. If Nature's goal is to be productive then it's failing.
>While fish can turn gay there would be no point in it.
I think it's more accurate to say fish can change their gender. It's not really gay if the fish actually turns into a biologically reproductive female.
>The evolution wouldnt be that fast.
Geologic timescales are far longer than evolutionary ones. Many mass extinctions have been caused by changes in geography.
But humans are natural too fagit, and science itself calls it unnatural because its backwards against the purpose of species to procreate. Stop cherry-picking. Everyone considers it a mental illness outside of pride cucks.
The thing is that people who were alive in the 1960's are still alive today, and their racist homophobic kids are still alive today.
Gay marriage wasn't legal across the entire US until 3 fucking years ago dude, how can you look at that and say that gays aren't an obviously oppressed minority
How does any of that show that homosexuality isn't natural?
Because gays are no longer oppressed. It's illegal to discriminate against them, to the point that it may even trump religious protection in the court of law.
If anything is hurting homosexuality it's people who use it as an excuse to act annoying and perverted in public. It's also Jewish media using token homosexuality to sell products (See: Glee, the Last of Us II, and so many other examples).
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