Is the wall real? And if so, what age does it start?

Don't know, but I live close to the beach in LA, so maybe the girls here take better care of themselves

I hope to find a girl in her mid to late 20s that I can settle down with by the time I'm 35. Then her personality should hopefully make up for her declining looks

That doesn't matter if you have a good face and you're not fat. Also, the older you get the more important your status. A woman will gladly date an average or ugly guy if he has money and stability.

I'm not talking about them getting fat. Younger girls are just tighter and more firm overall.

Happily married with three kids.
Love stories like this, to see all those coalburners and/or roasties just falling out later on in life.
Life gets easier for males as you get older. Hang in there boys.

Some truth to this. Certain types of recession can still look aesthetic if you’re fit and rich enough so all hope isn’t lost if you start balding.

Im 26. When i encountered a 26 y old female I though she was 30+... I keep preferring 20-22 y olds

If you have a masculine face you can easily pull it off. But that's not what I meant. Girls just don't care about looks as much as they do about status. The older you get the more your status increases with career advancements, better car, your own house, etc. Also, maturity is an attractive quality for women. That's why men peak later.

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Do girls 22-28 even exist?

Idk i dated a shit ton as a teen and now again in my 30s but it seems like i girls in that age group just vanishes from the face of the earth

Know that feel.

They’re fucking 40-50 year old sugar daddies

How is it possible for a guy in his 30s to fuck teens? How do u even get in that situation?

Thanks man, needed to hear that right now

mate it's easy as fuck if you live anywhere near a college...

Um, just talk to them? Don't you know girls like older guys? I've been with 4 girls that are 5-10 years my junior.

It's not worth it though. They're too retarded and emotionally unstable at that age. Yes, even more than adult women.

Nah, under 20 has this youthful fertility to it that you can’t beat. Plus you can probably still shield them from the cancers of society enough for them not to turn into unsufferable cunts.

Important notice to boys under 21

Find a good girl and lock her down ASAP

Srs

This "moving from man to man" thing ruins women, you need to get them while they've only had maybe a high school relationship or two

How in fucks name is this fitness related?

Maybe you should stop worrying about those evil women and start lifting for once buddy.

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>Girls just don't care about looks as much as they do about status. The older you get the more your status increases with career advancements, better car, your own house, etc. Also, maturity is an attractive quality for women

Yeah. This is exactly why the women who are married to old, mature, successful, rich men who have great cars and big houses cheat on those men with young, physically attractive, poor high school dropouts who take care of their pool and lawn.

Just like those same men are cheating on them with 20-year-olds college sluts.

Yup it is. You get to watch it first hand as you get older, all the women who spent their 20's clubbing age like 20 years from 25-30 and when they realise it they all start clammering for the "good" men and if you're one of them (still in good shape, still decent looking and successful since you spent your 20's working and studying and not drinking away all your money/spare time) you can expect more than a few FB messages from girls you met in college being all "heyyyy how are you? been a long time what are you up to?" which can be fun.

Missed my chance then. Broke up with my high school relationship a while back. im 23 now. Pretty sure no women I meet now are virgins or only 1 relationship

Hahaha, you've clearly never been with a school girl. They are so clingy and annoying. You can't have a real relationship with a girl like that. Neither of you is ready for it.

Also, after a while she will get curious about other dicks and either cheat on you or break up with you. I've seen it so many times.

>heat on those men with young, physically attractive, poor high school dropouts
Except they don't. Because their rich old husbands have massive teams of lawyers, private investigators and prenuptual agreements with more provisions in them than the US tax code

>The worst advice in this thread
My advice to any young man is simple. Better yourself in every conceivable way and you'll see things turn around when you're about 26+
Then proceed to shoot about 5 years lower with some girl that's not a roastie.

>the real worst advice in the thread

You sound like those Chinese parents who tell their kids to throw their youth away to study and one day they'll get a washed up whore to marry them

Sure, focus on bettering yourself. But don't wait to get a girl. Because they all turn to thots in college

You should marry asap if you're stupid and therefore incapable of building a serious career. If you have the ability to study something like math, machine learning, finance or medicine then you're better of spending your 20's working and studying so that when you hit 30 you are in the solid 6 figure range which is impossible if you're married at 21 plus courtesy of your status and money you can either go for somebody much younger than you or aiming for one of the like 3 decent women a few years younger than you. If however you are going to end up in a dead end job paying the national average you are better off taking whatever you can get before they hit college and the cock carousel that goes hand in hand with it.

t. someone who hasn't been that poolboy

> machine learning

you arent qualified to be offering advice.

>being in a long term relationship means you can't do anything else with your life
>wageslave mentality

you really are a fucking retard

t. job about to be automated.
>Thinks you could competently run a company AND be married at the same time
Theres a reason Elon Musk ended up divorced.

Ok this nigga is for sure a high schooler lmao

>that 30 year old that thinks his peak is still to be made

lmao

Why do they keep spamming these threads, what is the purpose?

the wall is not subjective and “the party” is not the goal for anyone happy, ever

Elon Musk is a retard who married the same slut twice.

I think an important caveat to this is if you put in the effort. If you do fuck all it seems like your life will NOT get any easier later in life, in fact, probably harder

That is the dumbest reply. Of all the people in this thread, you need to better yourself. Your articulation is poor, like seriously fucking poor.
At what point did I tell you to not enjoy yourself along the way? How is bettering yourself and investing in the future throwing away your youth? Also, not all women are coalburners/thots. That's just an absolutely stupid statement to make.
You're so dumb. For real.

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>not liking milfs

>prenups in the west
oopsie judge just threw it out in court because wamen oppress!
>nothing personnel boomer

t. hasn't been with anyone over 30

There's a reason those women are so cock-starved.

Keep coping buddy

i never said i dont like milfs
an old polish proverb comes to mind
>young cock is honed on old cunt
but dont think for a second that milfs or christmas cakes are higher in demand than teens

not him but tell me more
oldest ive fucked was a 28 year old skinny bitch riding me with the lights out snd curtains closed

People who think male incels in their 20's are sad have never talked to an unmarried childless 38 year old woman working in an office. I only worked with her a few weeks and I still get depressed just thinking about it.

I'd rather get rejected by a 18 y/o girl than some 35 y/o roastie.

Well yeah, the initial advice is to keep fit, study a STEM degree and find a greater understanding of yourself by reading good literature.
Also don't smoke weed. It's a powerful mood altering drug. If you want to have a thrill do a psychedelic once or twice, but ffs don't get caught up thinking weed is some natural plant designed to take you to happy town.
I might need some of the medfags to back me up here because every dropkick degenerate stoner is going to come out of the shadows...

My gf us literally days away from smashing into the wall. She's 30 and has looked like a 19 year old for the last decade. Praying it wont be so bad.

Men peak at 26-28

No, the wall is a bluepill cope. For every woman who ruins her body with pregnancy at 21 or becomes fat and starts dressing like a caricature of Tumblr, there's a balding beta nursing a beer gut.

That's rich, coming from a 15 year old.

You dumb motherfucker. You got 50 year old professors banging college chicks and you honest think this shit?

Can attest to this. Everyone I know, including myself, who was at any point a chronic smoker of weed fucked their shit right up during that period.

>tfw just want a young, uncorrupted girl who will support me and be the the gentle, female balance to my male being like nature intended

My grandparents know what's up. They're 75 and she still asks him if he wants coffee and meals throughout the day, and he responds with old man grunts. He comes in from doing farm work and she makes him a snack without question, and they're both happy.

Feels like women nowadays are taught to not like men and instead butt heads with them for some reason, and everyone is just miserable.

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If you like saggy skin, creases and pot bellies go ahead and fuck 40+ women. Otherwise, stick to girls in their teens and 20s.

All of you are retarded for thinking that you have any hope at all. Here are your options, tell me how they sound.

>Wait till you are older and wealthy to find a trophy wife who cheats on you
>lock down your high school sweethart and watch her get fat and unfuckable and regret it for the rest of your life
>mary your Jow Forums qt3.14 virgin gf then she regrets not riding dick and she cheat on you

Is all hope lost? Yes. You will never have the happy life with a loyal wife you thought was possible. No amount of lifting or self improvment will change that. Suicide or forget about it and move on. You can still get maried just expect the worst and live in denial at the same time.

Girls still do that with men they actually like. My ex loved making me breakfast and waking me up with a bj.

I hate to break this to you, but your grandma would act the exact same way as the girls your complaining about if she was young and surrounded by betas and incels. Women are submissive by nature, the problem is the average man today is a faggot.

Jesus Christ, you are both a moron and a pessimist. That's like a pitbull with aids.

How about option 4, you haul your virgin ass back to Jow Forums?

Fuck dude not every girl is like your mom

>mfw 30 years old and married
>Go out from time to time and get 18 year old sluts instagrams
>Literally retarded children
>Some are 6/10 have 2k followers
>Better looking 7/10s and 8/10s have 20k followers
>They send nudes after an hour of DM exchanges

Unbelieavable how things have changed in 10 years. These hoes have gone wild. I have no idea how it is for young guys i bet it is very hard these days.

Sort of. Sure women don't get any Chads after 30, but you're delusional if you think they don't have it easy on the dating market. My worst example is my friend's 57 year old mom. Five kids, fat, smoker, rude as hell... yet she has no trouble getting decent men. Her last bf was a carpenter and he renovated her house for free for two years. He was a normal guy, not an alcoholic or a criminal. He only left because the younger kids have extreme adhd and kept "accidentally" breaking the shit he fixed. But still, he was with this woman for five years. I heard she's about to land a new boyfriend now after being single for four months.

You don't understand that women only want Chads, and that having betas is just as being single for them.

>27 y/o here
Social media and the internet have changed everything, from the dating game to human behaviour in general (hint: not necessarily for the better)

Women are like a closed door. Men are constantly running against those doors.
If the door opens up, men will come in.

>>he doesn't think fitness includes biological/evolutionary (sexual) fitness

How is this different from the past? When I was in my teens in the early 00's, I chatted with teenage girls on those early social media sites, got their MSN Messenger and then got them to show their boobs/ass/pussy and finger themselves on webcam. And if they lived close enough, I usually got to fuck them, too. The whores were always wild, now you just see more of it because of IG, smartphones and r/gonewild etc.

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It's insane that a fucking average women has a harem of her followers like she is some goddess, when i couldn't even get a hard on with her.

It starts the second they become unable to bear healthy children. Anything beyond 30 is JUST tier.

>man to man
>ready to settle

Imagine being one of these husbands.

Get a good woman young Jow Forums

It sounds like you are the slut user.

>not marrying young and enjoying all your wife's transition from jailbait to milf

Yeah but that's more about the increase in male thirst.

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fpbp

found the roastie

If you are slightly above average.... They come to you..
Im 26 and you cant imagine the way these 17 18 y old italian whores look at me on the bus... Probably asking to take away their virginity for the 5th time lol

Thought experiment: A woman turns 18 years of age. There is a finite pool of single men. Women rarely get together with younger men. Her possible mates are finite older men. The next year the woman turns 19. A whole new batch of 18 year old women has appeared. More competition. Her finite pool of men gets smaller by the year. The only pool increase for her is if some guy breaks up with his girl. Every year from the guys in her pools perapective, a whole new batch of 18 year olds comes up. Some men die. Every time a guy breaks up a girl is also added to the comperition.
Every year it gets harder and harder to find someone.

This, men peak late twenties. If you have your career in order and got your shit together at that age you will always be a better choice than a 35 year old. That's not to say a 35 yo man can't do well, just not as well as a 28 yo.

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This They will talk to you, they will brush against you, they will sit on your thigh on the bus, they will approach you covertly or overtly in many ways. You don't even have to specifically go looking for them in bars or anything, just go about your day and capitalize when they throw themselves at you.

Like for instance, I was on a bus from the grocery store and had two big plastic bags full of groceries and a big maxi pack of paper towels. I was sitting in the middle of the bus and this 17 y/o girl was sitting at the front, her back towards the driver. She kept eye fucking me and tussling her hair the whole journey. Then we got off at the same stop and I walked out first. She sped up until she was in front of me, then reached into her pocket, took out her bus card, dropped it on the ground and kept walking. I went "hey, you dropped something", she turned around and started thanking me. Then we made some small talk about how it would have been embarrassing for her to leave for school in the morning and then realize she's lost the card etc. Then she said "wow, those groceries look heavy, I can carry one". I'm a guy so I'm stupid so of course I went full macho and said "no no, I can handle them". But she insisted and took one of the bags. Then we walked about 200 yards to my apartment building while talking and joking around. When we arrived on the door, I reached out towards the other bag and said "thanks for the help". She pulled it back and said "no, I can carry it inside, it's no problem at all". Only at that moment I realized the situation. We took my groceries inside, then she stood awkwardly in the middle of my living room while avoiding eye contact, then I went and kissed her and took her to the bedroom. The ""relationship"" died after a few meetings because we didn't have anything in common apart from the favorite sex position and my looks are the only thing going for me.

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You are the biggest retard

For Woman its about 24 I'd say.

My sister used to be exactly like that, pulling guys all the time and then somewhere around 24-25 all the chads she banged stopped caring about her and now want younger chicks.

This is epic but we still need to rise up.

Soon brother

I wish i could be as creative as you user

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my ex pulled the same shit on me and she was only 23
5 months later and she still harasses me with her bullshit

>anime pic
>dismisses my experience as fantasy that could never happen to any man

Wow, what a surprise. But thanks for further confirming that I'm in the top 5% of men when it comes to attractiveness.

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I took a minute out of my night to tell you that this is terrible

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Who hurt you, user?

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fpbp, now leave this thread

Men peak at 35 if they work and improve themselves along the way. If you sit in your room browsing Jow Forums from 18-35 expecting to magically become a winner at 35 you're in for a rude awakening.