What are yours, Jow Forums?
I'll start
>Hip thrusts/glute bridges should become a staple exercise.
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
>Squatting and deadlifting are riskier than most people realize. Avoiding them is wise.
>Counting calories is impossible. Learn to go by feel.
>dumb shit user says general
>OHP alone isn't enough for big shoulders
>There is no need to deadlift if you aren't a powerlifter
>Flat barbell bench is unecessary
>Volume is the key to hypertrophy
>Lifting is 99% genetics even with drugs
> CICO is not real
> IIFYM is not real
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
Do you even know what insulin is?
>Squatting and deadlifting are riskier than most people realize. Avoiding them is wise.
Looks like I took the bait.
This is an unpopular opinion thread user. Not a popular opinion thread. Learn to read.
Not squatting and deadlifting IS the popular opinion
Not deadlifting yes. Not squatting no.
>lifting to impress women is gay
This
I see maybe one person a week squatting and once a month I'll see someone deadlift.
>"lol its just calories in calories out brah"
Anyone that unironically believes this should be castrated and eaten alive by a pack of wild boars.
>you can be healthy at every size
I'm interested OP. Can you give reasons why you think those things?
Everyone believes these
>>Hip thrusts/glute bridges should become a staple exercise.
Why the fuck would anybody do that? Just do a proper neck bridge, like a fucking man.
To strengthen glute, with glute bridges, rather than neck, with neck bridges...
Barbell hip thrust feels awkward and useless to me. Any tips, or just keep trying it until it feels right?
so I shouldn't deadlift?
Half this thread is lies and bad information
>years of research dedicated to weight and fat loss
>no difference shown between fad diets
>hur dur muh hormone magic
>don’t deadlift unless you’re a powerlifter
People don’t automatically just start pulling 700+
Everyone has to start somewhere, even aspiring powerlifters who can only pull 3pl8
so I should deadlift?
Ye
>Your back needs 2x the work of your chest / delts
>Heavy squats are key for long-term knee health.
>Your core is not getting enough work without ab isolations.
>Milk is good for you.
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
????
type 2 diabeetus is due to BEING fat
Wasted dubs
>glute bridges are for instagram whores and serious lifters, not the fuck boys in between (see next point)
>if you are avoiding heavy lifting, especially squats and deadlifts, you are a fuck boy and glute bridges aren't gonna do shit positive for you (why do you need extra glute str?) except grant you the fat fuckable ass you've always wanted
My turn
>most people don't lift hard enough, or long enough, or often enough. Or better yet, have some retarded combination of the 3; such as working out a long rep scheme for a single hour 6 days a week. That is a geriatrics plan to stave off the inevitable.
>people want results immediately and don't want to be told "this takes two years of chicken + broccoli + rice and lifting hard + heavy x-amount of hours a week". So they look to roiders for advice as if they have a magic formula (we've seen you off cycle bro). As a result most gym goers will never amount to anything.
>working out with your gf is pathetic, but at least she showed up as thotty as possible as a gift to the rest of the gym. Stop trying to make eye contact with me as if I'm supposed to apologize for your failure to keep her in line. If you are uncomfortable, tell your partner, cause I guarantee I don't give a shit about you
>with the exception of genetic Chads and roiders; if you smoke, drink, skip gym, have cheat days, don't get enough sleep, allow yourself to be too stressed, fuck too much, or don't fuck at all, dock your chances of making it by a flat %. You don't want it badly enough. You are trying to overcome your mental weakness and assorted vices with lifting, and it just doesn't work that way.
Sure.
>Hip thrusts/glute bridges should become a staple exercise.
I had a knee injury in my teens, so it was the only way to get glute work in. Shit was amazing. Like chest flys for your ass.
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
Allowing your blood sugar to chug along at low levels for 18 hours a day and then spiking it sky high with 3000 calories in a few hours is bad. But I'm not a doctor.
>Squatting and deadlifting are riskier than most people realize. Avoiding them is wise.
OK, I admit I went too far with this one. I think squatting should be a staple. I just can't currently do them because of my old knee injury. I'm working on it, though. Squats with bad form will RAPE your knees, especially if you do them heavy. Get your form perfect and go for lighter weight with higher reps so you can always focus on good form. They're good for your knees with proper form, but average Joe who is trying to look aesthetic should probably not be putting his 3 rep max on the bar and struggling to get it up. Keep those sets at 10-15 reps and never go to failure. As for deadlifts, it's the best way to slip a disk if you don't have picture perfect form. Personally, I just do weighted back extensions to get my spinal erectors working, and then normal back exercises like weighted pullups and rows. I know deadlifts look cool, but I don't see why dudes who are just trying to be buff do them regularly.
>Counting calories is impossible. Learn to go by feel.
Calorie counts are estimates based on averages. Your meal will rarely actually be the amount of calories that myfitnesspal says it is. Also life is too short to be measuring everything every time you eat. Get a good idea of how many calories your body responds to, make a mental note of what your plate should look like at each meal, and go from there.
holy shit I'm pretty sure I trained in this gym for about 2 years
shit brings me back
You really hit the nail on the head I agree with everything you said
Fasting has conclusively been shown to improve insulin sensitivity. It's probably the most effective style of eating to prevent diabetes.
wrong
Calories in/calories out is only good for fatties. Counting macros is incredibly important for athletes, not to mention all the "hormone magic", micros and insulin response issues that can arise eating 3000 calories of shit every day.
Try DB/KB swings instead
lmao
Agree with almost all of this except DL is very important for posterior chain development and volume is great for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. But that doesnt mean it has to be all volume in one day. You can have a high weekly total poundage but a low daily total (like doing 3x5 5 times a week vs 3x10 twice a week).
Lol TL:DR
Nobody gives a fuck.
>big pecs look like droopy tits; shoulder, back and arm musculature should be prioritized over chest
>there should be no symmetry regarding upper and lower body training, because overly developed quads look like shit
>splits are retarded and most people do way too much volume
>one, two at most exercises are more than enough per muscle group per training session
>full body training trumps everything else
>you will not look like your favorite bodybuilder, no matter how hard you try
>lifting for aesthetics is gay, lifting for functional strength is manly.
>eating raw meat is GOAT.
Chicken and pork is filthy and should not be eaten.
>dry fasting (without water) forces the body to kill off damaged / weak cells like cancer cells and use them for nutrience / energy.
>cold showers are a staple to any mans routine
warm showers are for faggots.
>lifting is part of your self-improvement, not all of it.
read, learn, have hobbies and socialize so you don't become a Jow Forums autist and its all for nothing.
Dr. Jason Fung deserves way more fucking respect for telling people their doctor is killing them with insulin and that the food industry is a bunch of bullshit. Fasting should be incorporated by EVERYONE who wants to be healthy.
what the fuck
Unpopular opinions?
Powerlifting is the ultimate end goal of going to the gym. Why are you even going to the gym if you're not going to get good at lifting weights.
Agree with everything except your second point because it doesn't marry up with your last. Roided out quads are disgusting, yes, but are you saying that any natty lifter (who isn't super low body fat) is ever going to get there? No. Especially if they follow full body training. They will hit the natural limit of muscle their frame can carry before anything becomes gross or overblown.
Strength-wise I think legs should never be neglected. If you want girls, shred down and get poverty abs. Whores are pretty basic. If you want to be strong however, your legs need to be a (multi-day) priority.
>lol only girls do legs amirite muh sthetics
Your punching power comes from your legs and is transferred and amplified by your ass, you retard. That is why you you glute bridge, deadlift, and do power cleans/power snatches. Bet you hit like a bitch.
strength is unimportant. looking good is the only thing that matters.
oh boy are you ready?
>you need maximum 0.8g/lb protein as a natty. Lemon et.al
>bulking as a natty is so fucking overblown. At most, you put on 0.2-0.3lbs of muscle a week, the rest is fat. So think before you gain a fucking pound a week. You should be in a 200-250 calorie surplus when bulking. Also do not bulk longer than 8 weeks, because that's when nutrient sensitivity and insulin sensitivity start to take a decline, and your gains stop and you start getting fat
>unless you have elite strength genetics you shouldn't be powerlifting. What would you rather be in your 30s, jacked and healthy or have fucked up joints in a wheelchair nd diabetes from "muh bulk"
>fats in terms of testosterone production are a meme. It doesn't make that much of a difference in gains. If someone eating a high fat diet has 400 test versus someone with 300 test its not enough to make a difference in therms of muscle mass gained, guys roiding are in the 1000s. Also, research has shown that when in a caloric surplus, carbs aren't stored as fat as easily as fats; do not cross 15% or 0.35g/lb, depending on which is lower
>volume grows muscles
>deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy. Enjoy your fucked up back.
>roids aren't bad just be smart with them. "muh shrunken balls" is a meme they shrink by like 20%. You faggots on here already have small balls anyways, might as well get big muscles.
>flat barbell benching sucks, switch to incline. To add on to what said about chest. droopy pecs are caused by flat benching
>meat and milk are full of estrogen
>Strength-wise I think legs should never be neglected. If you want girls, shred down and get poverty abs. Whores are pretty basic. If you want to be strong however, your legs need to be a (multi-day) priority.
yes, i agree with this. all i'm saying is that equating volume/intensity for upper and lower body is dumb (for example the 5/3/1 bbb template has 5/3/1 followed by 5x10 for the 4 major lifts, which is retarded imo.
some men, for example, pack on mass on their ass and legs too easily (and are naturally built that way - narrow shoulders, wide hips, tree trunk legs). these types of men should not do the same amount of work for their upper and lower body - they should do more upper body work, and not prioritize lower body work.
i will be lifting, today is legs. Leave comments while I'm gone. Shit, email me if you want to get fucking redpilled. Lmk if I should leave my email for you all
>fuck too much, or don't fuck at all
What do you mean?
> creatine and "muscle" powders are fucking stupid. People get too obsessed with buying that expensive crap to "get jacked bro". Save your wallet and eat natty. If you want quick results, then lifting probably isn't for you.
Faggot
Agree. I do think powder is good if you can’t get enough protein from food only
>Hip thrusts/glute bridges should become a staple exercise.
I don't want to put special emphasis on my glutes so I pass. I think they should be the go to exercise to recommends to roasties because I always get pissed when I see them take up squat racks with their babby weights for 10 reps and 0 struggle just to make 0 glute gains despite that being their only goal. At least they'd only be using a bench and barbell if they did hip thrusts.
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
This is not an opinion this is just straight misinformation.
>Squatting and deadlifting are riskier than most people realize. Avoiding them is wise.
What risk though? Having a muscle or tendon tear in your lower back is no problem, just let it heal. Herniated disks due to squats and deadlifts are very very rare and require months or years of consistently shitty form.
>Counting calories is impossible. Learn to go by feel.
If this works for you great, but most people can't go by feel and they'll never learn it. Even if it's off by 20% or 30% counting calories is going to be your best bet on learning how to do portion control.
not op, i agree with everything but the first one. glutes are the biggest muscle in the body, and one of the strongest ones. athletes and lifters often have "sleepy" glutes even though they squat and deadlift, and that shit is not good. there are so many functions glutes do for us in daily activities, and not training them because you're not a girl is straight up dumb
>>you need maximum 0.8g/lb protein as a natty. Lemon et.al
>>bulking as a natty is so fucking overblown. At most, you put on 0.2-0.3lbs of muscle a week, the rest is fat. So think before you gain a fucking pound a week. You should be in a 200-250 calorie surplus when bulking. Also do not bulk longer than 8 weeks, because that's when nutrient sensitivity and insulin sensitivity start to take a decline, and your gains stop and you start getting fat
>>unless you have elite strength genetics you shouldn't be powerlifting. What would you rather be in your 30s, jacked and healthy or have fucked up joints in a wheelchair nd diabetes from "muh bulk"
>>fats in terms of testosterone production are a meme. It doesn't make that much of a difference in gains. If someone eating a high fat diet has 400 test versus someone with 300 test its not enough to make a difference in therms of muscle mass gained, guys roiding are in the 1000s. Also, research has shown that when in a caloric surplus, carbs aren't stored as fat as easily as fats; do not cross 15% or 0.35g/lb, depending on which is lower
>>volume grows muscles
>>deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy. Enjoy your fucked up back.
Finally someone gets it
>roids aren't bad just be smart with them. "muh shrunken balls" is a meme they shrink by like 20%. You faggots on here already have small balls anyways, might as well get big muscles.
>flat barbell benching sucks, switch to incline. To add on to what said about chest. droopy pecs are caused by flat benching
>meat and milk are full of estrogen
you ruined it
this will probably cause an autistic fit of rage in some uneducated losers.
>crossfit is actually the best functional fitness program
>current data supports veganism
when in doubt look at the facts.
Deadlifts and squats are massively over rated and not needed at all if you just want to look good.
>Keto is actually a good diet
Agree with most of your shit but...
>unless you have elite strength genetics you shouldn't be powerlifting. What would you rather be in your 30s, jacked and healthy or have fucked up joints in a wheelchair nd diabetes from "muh bulk"
Don't agree. Doesn't really matter if you're the best at something or not if you enjoy it. Powerlifting is a hobby, if you like doing it, then fucking do it. And don't overstate the injuries from powerlifting like it's an actual thing. Any sports athlete has way more frequent, worse and more chronic injuries than powerlifters.
>volume grows muscles
Should specify that it doesn't matter whether that volume comes from low weights or high weights but it's important to mention low weights are easier to reach the appropriate level of volume. Should also mention that doing a too much volume is also not a solution unless you do scheduled deloads. You're not overtraining but you might be overreaching and need a deload to let your muscles fully recover.
>deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy. Enjoy your fucked up back.
Agree with the hypertrohpy part, but as I mentioned with the powerlifting shit, serious injuries are really not that common.
>flat barbell benching sucks, switch to incline. To add on to what said about chest. droopy pecs are caused by flat benching
You can also do both. Just a thought.
>>with the exception of genetic Chads and roiders; if you smoke, drink, skip gym, have cheat days, don't get enough sleep, allow yourself to be too stressed, fuck too much, or don't fuck at all, dock your chances of making it by a flat %. You don't want it badly enough. You are trying to overcome your mental weakness and assorted vices with lifting, and it just doesn't work that way.
This really is a shitty opinion. Gym shouldn't be your life. and you totally exaggerate, if you lift consistently and keep increasing the weight, even with a bad diet and shitty lifestyle, you'll make size and strength gains and get a decent frame, you'll just never be huge or ripped.
>Low reps is better for gaining strength but will fuck your joints up
Jow Forums is the only board that ALWAYS calls me out on bait, every fucking time
Are you memeing? Because
>crossfit is actually the best functional fitness program
Is very far from "look at the facts". What the fuck do you even mean with functional fitness? Functional for what? The sport of crossfit? Yeah, sure. Being a mostly sedentary human being? Absolutely overkill and unnecessarily dangerous. Athletic sports? Your best bets are always specificity not cookie cutter bullshit like crossfit. Building muscle? Completely wrong. Even ignoring the theory of crossfit, looking at 99% of all the crossfit trainers just shows you how uneducated they are and how shitty they teach their clients while asking for horrendous sums of money.
>current data supports veganism
On the other hand this is completely true and I still can't see how Jow Forums can dilute itself into not seeing this. Confirmation bias is a bitch, I guess. Not even vegan and not even thinking about switching but that has nothing to do with understanding science literature.
what should one do instead?
My glute strength is more than sufficient for my daily activities and it's increasing proportionally enough for my lifting. If I ever notice my glutes being the limiting factor I know what to do but I'm fine for now.
>Fasting is a good way to accelerate diabetes.
Redpill me on this
>Counting calories is impossible. Learn to go by feel.
Agreed. Also, stressing about how many calories you've gotten or what macros you've hit will increase cortisol which promotes muscle degeneration
We have a winner.
Everything else.
By the Lord God, should I fucking deadlift or not?
Seems like the thing does more hurt than it helps.
>Counting calories is impossible
What is a food scale? What is MyFitnessPal?
Op is dyel
>Long rep scheme
What does this mean?
Post body
Full body doesn't work for natties. Pretty much every bodybuilder ever swears by PPL
>>glute bridges are for instagram whores and serious lifters, not the fuck boys in between (see next point)
>>if you are avoiding heavy lifting, especially squats and deadlifts, you are a fuck boy and glute bridges aren't gonna do shit positive for you (why do you need extra glute str?) except grant you the fat fuckable ass you've always wanted
The points that you are arguing literally answer your retarded response. What is wrong with your reading comprehension? Are you impaired?
with good form, yeah sure.
if ANYTHING feels even a little weird, just stop for the day.
Weighted back extensions are a good way to simulate a deadlift as well.
well I mean how do you get quad work in? weighted cycling?
>on Jow Forums
>says lifting shouldn't be your life
>believes that you can make "positive" size and strength gains with a "bad diet and shitty lifestyle"
I'm trying not to be disrespectful but you are either a retard or a fat fuck (which makes you a retard by default). Everything you've said goes against common sense. Not even addressing science here. Not gonna pull up any articles or anything, you aren't worth the effort.
If you wanna be a fat fuck or skinny-fat fuck then by all means keep scarfing down fast food and staying up to 3am when you have work at 7, slaving for 8 hrs, hitting the gym for 1ish hour(s) of moderate effort, and polishing that all off with shit food and nosleep again.
You'll get a decent frame alright.
Yes gym should not be your whole life even on Jow Forums. Maybe i exaggerated by bad diet, i don't mean a bad diet, just a regular healthy diet with some junk food, not a strict chicken and broccoli diet.
It doesn't go against common sense, the human body is pretty remarkable, you can make decent gains through gym 3-4 times a week and this diet.
If you can't, you might want to check your T levels. Building muscle isn't difficult, just lift up heavy stuff and eat enough protein to match. You autists need to stop turning it into some turboscience.
Yes. Just be careful. That shit about it being dangerous isn’t a lie. But it’s still one of my favorite lifts
Sure, your method works user but it doesn’t compare to doing things the right way.
>>deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy. Enjoy your fucked up back
What is with you faggots and hating deadlifting? Help me out user, explain one thing to me. I have been deadlifting heavy for about a year now. When I started my max was 275lbs. I recently broke a PR last week of 455lbs. The only extra back work I do is weighted pull ups (max +75lbs) and no extra leg work. So...
Explain it to me like I'm an idiot user, be as abrasive as you have to:
>how did my deadlift increase by a little less than 200lbs if deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy?
>yes I know what hypertrophy is. If you are still confused on that point, please explain how/why you have divorced the concepts of strength and hypertrophy in your mind.
Yeah of course you can go full on and get better results but im going to be hitting the gym for my entire life, i want to enjoy life as well, not living a strict routine forever. I'm bigger and stronger than all my friends, the only place im not is in the gym, but im not the smallest there either. Im satisfied.
natty lifting is a waste of time
post body
Jesus Christ, what?
Have you ever done CrossFit? CrossFit is the only shit I've ever seen or participated in that would have someone take 200lbs minimum and sumo deadlift that into a shrug (end position is elbows above shoulders) for reps and time. Seriously, stopped to watch the class I was in, burst out laughing, and walked away. CrossFit is retarded from a distance.
>however
It is true that elite CrossFitter's (games winners) are the fittest on Earth so long as we don't question natty status.
>olympic weightlifting is underrated by the normie population
>millitary/overhead press is underrated as fuck
>overhead squats are underrated as fuck
>sots presses, both in snatch and clean position, are underrated as fuck
>kettlebells are underrated and underused
>turkish get ups are underrated as fuck
>people should do more grip work
>you don't need to do so many squats and deadlifts, or if you do, do more upper body work to balance it out
>pistol squats are underrated
>calisthenics is underrated and gives more room for progression/strength increase than people realize
>parkour is underrated
>you can climb, but you'll never be very good at climbing unless you are pretty light/skinny
>people should do more engaging exercise activities that they enjoy rather than mindless reps in the gym
>in other words, have fun
>swimming and freediving is great, do it. Now.
>people need to stop blaming their bodies on genetics, the way you lift can influence the position of muscle insertions/origins.
>again, people should have more fun
dunno bout unpopular but those are some of my opinions
>muh "big fish in a small pond"
You've been civil user, so I'm tailoring my response as best I can: You are literally making me sick.
Why be less than you can be? Why spend the time and energy and effort in the gym to be mediocre? These are serious questions. If you just want to be average why even start? Why not invest your energy and time into being even better at something you are already good at?
You think that you have time. You must be an idiot or new here. Wait for it and the thread "Things You Wish You Knew When You Started Lifting" will pop up.
>be less retarded will be first
>followed by: take the shit seriously if you are going to bother
>123 pounds in 4 months
Even if this guy's ass was sealed shut and his body was transmuting food into body mass, I don't think you could consume enough food for this.
Yeah right, i doubt you apply that philosophy to everything you do in life. Look I've done it before, ive been ripped, it took hard work and dedication, but it wasn't really worth it, i like a burger, i like not going to the gym every night of the week. I lift, i look good, i just don't have my life revolve around it and im not at 8% bodyfat.
And no I've been here since 2008.
>you are a certified brainlet
user, there is a thread up right now shitting all over Jeff Nippard. There have been threads shitting on Jeff Cavaliere and other legitimate elite, aesthetic, lifters. Who in the fuck would be stupid enough to "post body" just because some pudgy marshmallow with incorrect (see: retarded) opinions asked?
What is the best case scenario for me? If I check off all the right boxes you tilt your doughy little head and say, "huh, yeah, I guess deadlifts aren't useless."
You are a retard user, and I give a shit about your progress. What I care about is you refuting my idea/logic, since you assert otherwise. I will simplify it, since it was obviously too complex for you the first time:
>if deadlifts are useless for hypertrophy, how do you explain getting significantly stronger deadlifting, with no other accessories involved?
post body, im curious to see what deadlifts and pullups only back looks like
>you can climb but you'll never be very good without being light/skinny
How light/skinny are we talking here. You can't be a fatty but you can have muscle. There's a guy at my climbing gym that's like 180lbs and pretty lean, and he's a really good climber.
Now you can't be a 180lb weightlifter and expect to go into a climbing gym and do tough routes using your muscle to carry you through because actual big muscles aren't that important. Even if you can do amazing weighted pullups that won't matter outside of the sorts of handholds you encounter on beginner routes
>>people need to stop blaming their bodies on genetics, the way you lift can influence the position of muscle insertions/origins
Is this true user? Where did you get this from? I'm blessed in that department but my bro is pretty crushed by his zipper abs (we lost the weight together but the results were not the same)
post body
Ah well, I give you respect oldfag. Welcome back. As you can probably tell this place just isn't the same.
To be completely honest I do apply that philosophy to my entire life. It's part of the reason why I am here. If I don't think I will put my all into something a crush it, I don't participate. If I think I can, I go all in. So when it comes to work and school people love me and slave me out. When it comes to socializing, extracurriculars, entertainment media, etc, I just dismiss it. Not saying it's the best way to live but in the places I invest my energy I have always been successful.
trips then dubs and the best you idiots got is "post body"
>winter's chill has finally gone
>fair spring in turn has sprung
>alas the temp is rising now
>alas the fags have come
>people need to stop blaming their bodies on genetics, the way you lift can influence the position of muscle insertions/origins.
I was starting to wonder why your post looked like bait, and then you made it really obvious. But apparently not obvious enough.
Ouch, def got me. But in my defence I just wanted to be able to give my bro some hope.
I talk with actual bodybuilders. They don't do them. Ironically, ATK rack pulls are done more frequently, thanks based Alex
the only reason someone wouldnt post body is because they look DYEL
>Squatting and deadlifting are riskier than most people realize. Avoiding them is wise.
I disagree to a point.
Heavy squats and deadlifts are a meme and they put an incredible strain on your spine and joints, even with perfect form.
what's the correct rep range you think one should do with them?
t.
>Dr. Jason Fung
bro what are some good vids of his which can help a skinnyfat? There's a lot of long ones on youtube so I can only watch 1 or 2
He's saying that, since your calorie counts might be thirty or so off due to natural variance, might as well hit up the buffet and wait for your body to feel nourished.
>dry fasting (without water) forces the body to kill off damaged / weak cells like cancer cells and use them for nutrience / energy.
this is an "UNPOPULAR FITNESS OPINIONS" thread, not a "RETARDED PSEUDOSCIENCE LIES" thread