Does Jow Forums recommend getting a lifting belt for novices? Or should I wait until i've been lifting for a few years

I don’t care.

I am a 75Kg Manlet lifting in my garage.

My strength is just fine. When I lifted at a gym a few years ago I never saw anyone squat 3 plate or press 1 plate

But I don't see why you'd brag about not wearing a belt. belt shoes and wraps to lift those numbers as if it make you superior to people who use them?

>bench 2 pl8s (185)

A belt adds 10+kg to the lift, while neglecting lower back and ab strength. Straps showcase weak grip. Doing it raw is the only acceptable way desu, unless you lift elite numbers. Lifting it without equipment does make you superior to people who use them, thats the point, they are a crutch.

idk i converted it from kg. 2pl8 (40kg) each side is 80kg, which is around 180lbs for 2pl8

A common question that gets thrown around is “when should you start training with a belt?”

Some people throw around numbers such as being about to squat and deadlift 315 or 405, or 1.5x bodyweight, or some other arbitrary standard.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out a good reason (physiologically) someone shouldn’t start using a belt whenever the hell they want to. I do certainly agree that people should also get comfortable lifting and bracing without a belt. Again, I’m not aware of any injury data regarding belt usage in strength sports, but it seems very likely that developing and maintaining solid intrinsic stabilization patterns under load will be a good thing for spine health in the long run. However, “people should also get comfortable squatting and deadlifting beltless” and “people should never squat and deadlift with a belt until they achieve (insert arbitrary standard here)” are entirely different sentiments. I’d recommend you spend your first month or two training mostly beltless, but remember, there’s a learning curve for belts – most people can’t get much aid out of them until they’ve been lifting with a belt for a while. It’s just another skill to acquire. I’m not sure why you’d want to push that learning process back to some arbitrary later date and delay reaping the benefits that accompany training with a belt.

Personally, I’d recommend training 70/30 or 80/20 beltless your first few months in the gym, gradually transitioning to the opposite ratio as you become more experienced.

strongerbyscience.com/the-belt-bible/

Ignore the vast majority of these fucking morons, OP.

Do you care more about an alien popping out of your stomach or about what fat old men at the gym think of you?

I’m the 75kg Manlet that Squats 140kg for 5x5

I just never used a belt to begin with. I have been maintaining 3 plate squat for a few years now.

I did purchase a belt to test it out and I just didn’t like how it felt. Squatting without one feels better, a belt gets in the way when I go ATG. I think the belt is more for powerlifter low bar parallel squats, not highbar ATG squats.

Wearing a belt won’t stop you from getting a hernia, if anything it will increase the chance since the belt is causing you to have far greater abdominal pressure build up.

You forgot to weigh the bar you dick

Theres been research regarding core activation with and without belts which shows that belt actually activates your abdominals more (less obliques tho) than beltless does because you can brace harder. This article is regarding diddly but I'm sure there is a similar one of squats out there:
journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2002/04000/An_electromyographic_analysis_of_sumo_and.19.aspx

Broscience is bad user

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>he weights the bar...

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That is the thing though. People claim that a belt will stop you from getting a hernia. But that makes no sense. How can increasing your abdominal pressure reduce the chance? That is illogical.

I use my belt for pendlay rows, don't like using it with the squat or deadlift.

>People claim

I can squat 40lbs and deadlift 60lbs more with a belt but I ducking hate squatting and deadlifting with a belt, it gets in the way and it’s painful and it makes me light headed. I’d rather feel comfy and lift without one.

I only use gloves, I tried to use my gym's belt but then the cutie gym instructor adviced me not to use it
she also explained me the perfect form to deadlift

>Warming up for squats with just the bar
>same as doing bodyweight squat since the bar weights 0 kg

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1/2/3/4 plate is 135/225/315/405lbs, and no other Narnia weight matters.

and who the fuck benches with a belt on

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a belt is equipment, thus belt is equipped, and not raw

belt is fucking raw u dipshit, raw is a term from powerlifting

90% of the standards on this board are from the big 3 which are in the sport of powerlifting. dyel faggot?

No it's actually worse than bodyweight squats because the bar gas negative weight

Wait until you've been lifting long enough that you'll know you'll stick with it.

>he can't spell weigh

>using a belt for a 2pl8 bench
kek

>he relies on powerlifting rules

I never see an olympic squatter use a belt, only fatty powerlifters with shit form

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bro some oly lifters train in the off season with belts? federations don't allow them in competition.
but a counter argument would be why do they use knee sleeves? knee sleeves are still considered raw in powerlifting lmfao

im an example, i use my inzer belt and adipowers for olympic squatting.

Weightlifters can use whatever the fuck they want in competition. They generally use softer belts that allow for more mobility compared to the super stiff leather powerlifting belts.

Knee sleeves don't actually directly add anything to your squat. They just make the lift significantly more comfy and keep your knees warm.

have you ever used them? Without a doubt they will help a deep squatter out of the hole 99% of the time

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Yes I have. They don't add anything. My heavy squat singles are no faster with or without them, they just feel much worse without them.

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sbd probably won't have that much of an effect, but my ST ones definitely help me out of the hole. Probably why the ST ones aren't federation legal.

>all lifts exactly 1/2/3/4
why havent you gone up?

>I never see an olympic squatter use a belt
Why do you make retarded statements like this if you obviously don't even care about olympic lifting?

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Because he's actually a dyel who's e-statting and thinks those are proportional lifts.

Is this Jow Forums's programming socks meme or a legit thing?

Here he Front Squats 225kg x 2 without a belt. A Belt helps a lot more for Front Squats than it does Back Squats, so...your point is?

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I see what you did there

Hi Blaha
How're things back at the cuckshed?

I hit 1/2 several years before I hit 3/4.

No I just maintained 1/2 while working on 3/4 for a long time, and now I just maintain them all and focus on other things in life instead of autistically focusing on improving strength.

My autism likes having 1/2/3/4. I 1 plate my OHP, I 2 plate my Bench, I 3 plate my Squat and I 4 plate my Deadlift. My autism loves it. I have no plans to ever get stronger on any of the 4 lifts because if I do, it will send my autism out of whack.

Also, my OHP and Bench are 100% proportional. It's just that my Squat and Deadlift aren't, that is it. My Deadlift is 20kg higher than it should be for how much I Squat, and my Squat is about 10kg higher than what it should be for how much I Bench, but my Bench and OHP is proportional.

So fuck you for thinking I don't know what I am talking about.

Also - I literally own a pair of Rom2's, straps, wrist wraps, and a belt. I just don't use them because again, my autism wants me to have those lifts without using any of that shit.

>they use a belts
>but they don't ALWAYS use belts
I'm wondering what your point was supposed to be. Just to remind you, you said
>I never see an olympic squatter use a belt
>never
Which is factually wrong, so what exactly is your point in posting him doing a lift without a belt?
>A Belt helps a lot more for Front Squats than it does Back Squats
You can really tell you never use a belt because that's about as wrong as it gets. You primarily use a belt to support your back, you're more upright on front squats so less back involvement, meaning a belt aids you less.

>took him several years to hit 3pl8 squat and 4pl8 deadlift
>refuses to get stronger
>owns training equipment worth hundreds of dollars but doesn't use it
Why exactly do you think you're someone who should be giving advice?

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>Hit 1/2 at least 3 years before 3/4.

Bro, if it took me 3 years(assuming you could OHP 1pl8 day 1) to squat 315, I'd actually kill myself. Kudos to you for sticking with it while making little to no progress for years.

What is that...5 lbs of gainz every 2+ weeks?

Mate.

60kg/100kg/140kg/180kg for a 5RM is more than enough for me to be content with.

I hit 60kg OHP 6 years ago.
I hit 100kg Bench 4 years ago.
I hit 180kg Deadlift 2 years ago.
I hit 140kg Squat 1 year ago.

I know my shit is all fucked up.

My Squat took forever because I kept changing how I squat.

My Deadlift took forever because I kept stopping and starting to deadlift out of fear, then I finally gave it a try properly and learned how to pull properly.

Not everyone goes into lifting from day 1 doing everything theyre supposed to ya cunt. My autism wanted me to get a 1 plate OHP so badly hence why its the first mile stone I hit in my lifting career 6 years ago. I actually got upto a 75kg OHP for reps but again, my autism says if I keep the 75kg OHP that then I must increased my other lifts to match. See? it never ends, so I just picked 1/2/3/4 5RM as my end goal, and I am happy to just maintain that now.

No, read There were periods of time where I just didn't Squat, and periods of time where I kept relearning my Squat from 0 to find the perfect technique/form that worked for me. In the end that was Squatting Highbar, ATG, without a belt or olympic shoes on.

Real question, do you have legit autism or are you just being weird?

>I actually got upto a 75kg OHP for reps but again, my autism says if I keep the 75kg OHP that then I must increased my other lifts to match

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Diagnosed at 30 years old with Schizoid Personality Disorder and a trait of Schizoid Personality Disorder is "autistic thinking".

Congrats on the numbers but i pull all this easily without gear as well. Can pull even greater numbers with a belt. I dont use anything else but dont think youre god cause you pull intermediate numbers without gear.

Imagine being this retarded

>taking advice from a quitter.

Get outta here, you'll literally never make it.

Those numbers for 6+ years of training? Yikes

>psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/schizoid-personality-disorder
>Symptoms
>Takes pleasure in few, if any, activities
>Does not desire or enjoy close relationships, including family
>Appears aloof and detached
>Avoids social activities that involve significant contact with other people
>Almost always chooses solitary activities
>Little or no interest in sexual experiences with another person
>Lacks close relationships other than with immediate relatives
>Indifferent to praise or criticism
>Shows emotional coldness, detachment or flattened affect
>Exhibits little observable change in mood
>tfw most of that describes me perfectly

They numbers aren't my actual 5RM, they're all so comfortable for me. My last rep on those sets are like a RPE of 5-6.

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