Ketotarddddds
Then proceed to lose 97lbs in 7 months
>having 97lbs to lose in the first place
The absolute state of ketofriends
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>be fat
>go on keto
>be not fat
>go off keto
huh wow that actually worked lmao nice
>it works but i dont like it
good argument
>it increases risk of all cause mortality
I just wanna live buddy
>[Citation needed] that isn't ketodeniers.org
>youtube link
>i bet its some vegan sperglord
and i was right
>asks for citation
>posts youtube link
whatthe hell I didn't realize this was Jow Forums
>pfft u fkn dum dum if i restrik colouries i loose wait keto wins agen haha!!!!
Woah so this is the power of keto. Enjoy your heart disease
idiot
>keto loses fat and lowers cholesterol
>yet magically makes you get heart disease
really activates my almonds
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>i eat da keto n loose da wait haha rekt!
Your diet is unhealthy and you go on it because you're a fucking retard who can't put the fork down. The only benefit to keto is the reported feeling of satiety. You'd lose more fat and spare more muscle following a normal diet while calorie restricting.
It's good for weight loss. But you're also taxing your adrenals and thyroid. Eventually that shit catches up to you.
I do a ray peat diet and I feel pretty good on it, and I've definitely lost fat, even eating @3000 calories/day.
>it lowers cholesterol
>it makes you lose weight
Hmm... it activated your almonds but apparently your almonds don't work so well. It's almost like weight loss = lower cholesterol.... And since high dietary cholesterol and fat intakes raise serum cholesterol it's almost as if you could lower cholesterol even further if you didn't eat a diet primarily consisting of fat and animal products.
Huh...
What was the point of this post? You just agreed with me.
why do people feel the need for keto and other meme diets? whenever i want to cut weight i literally just eat less and do a bit more cardio
First link
>Low-carbohydrate diets and their combination with high-protein diets
keto is not high protein, discarded
second link
>These associations were confined to participants with at least one of the unhealthy lifestyle factors based on smoking, heavy alcohol drinking, overweight or obesity, and physical inactivity, but not evident among those without any of these risk factors
read your own study lmfao
Keto + fasting loses weight fast as fuck though
>eat diet high in fat and cholesterol
>cholesterol is relatively lower due to weight loss but remains elevated due to diet
>get heart disease
>BUT U JUST AGREE WITH ME
Would you like me to buy you some more almonds bro? It seems like all you have are almond shells.
They're not my studies, they're the ones the other guy linked but you refused to look at. Regardless, keto IS a high-protein diet albeit not prescribed as such. Most of you tards get your fats from oil, butter and meat. If you're eating in excess of 100g of protein a day you're eating a high protein diet according to the literature.
>keto IS a high-protein diet
factually wrong you utter cretin, high protein intake blocks ketosis i.e. no longer keto
only getting to eat a plate of bacon, cheese and butter once a day sounds shit though
It doesn't. When I was young and retarded I too did keto. High fat, high protein and less than 20g of carbs a day. Pissed maximum ketones on the piss strips. It's a stupid diet for ignorant people
I eat massive salads on keto though, what do you retards think keto is
>cholesterol is relatively lower
why are you posting? It's embarrassing to watch.
>doesn't have an argument
>j-just stop posting :( pls...
>high protein
You keep saying that but its clear you're just retarded.
More like
breakfast: 3 eggs (1tbsp butter), 4 slices of bacon
lunch: salad with an entire avocado, 2 slices of bacon, low carb dressing
dinner: chicken and whatever non retarded vegetable side you want
like 900-1100 calories
>keeps agreeing with me
>wondering why everyone in this thread thinks hes retarded for trying to make an argument
Post macros in grams
>he doesn't understand the meaning of relatively lower
>he doesn't understand that from baseline a relatively lower cholesterol level is still high, due solely to dietary cholesterol intake
>this creates risk of heart disease
>y-yeah but u said lower so u agree xD
Ketards are the absolute worst
Keto threads are embarrassing to read. Both sides have zero understanding of nutrition in general.
People that promote the keto diet are usually retarded, in the medical sense, because they can't see that the keto diet is an extreme measure that is worth taking only when when a patient is obese or has some other disease. If you're healthy weight, there are more health benefits to eating more fruit, vegetables, and grains, than being on full keto (lard, bacon and oil) permanently.
Side note: in fitness communities the keto diet usually involves ridiculous amounts of protein, which makes it not even keto. If you're eating more than 70g of protein a day, unless you're huge, you should probably just kill yourself now.
People that hate keto are more understandable, because the keto community is mostly fat retards, but they're also retarded because they don't understand the basic biology of glycogen, glucose, and insulin, as evidenced in this thread.
macros are ratios, 5%carb, 20%protein, 75%fat
there is no point posting macros in grams because it depends on your size, a 6'3 220lb muscular god isn't going to eat the same total calories as a 9
110lb 5'6 twink fuccboi
*gulps*
>Enjoy your heart disease
I'm waiting for it
I run 15k every other day and It's still not happening
When will it happen?
>macros are ratios
No shit. You know you can post a ratio in grams right? Your percentages mean nothing, you could eat anywhere between 1000-5000 calories.
>because it depends on your size
Wrong, it depends on more than just size. Spotted the DYEL
*posts uncited bar graph*
*flexes a 'cep*
>Cigarettes don't cause cancer idiot! I smoke a pack a day and I'm fine!
Sounds good buddy, give it time. Also
>keto
>runs 15km eod
Sure.
Wait you were arguing that keto was high protein, but its 20%protein
assuming people are losing it for fat loss they must be at a deficit so obviously aren't eating 5000 calories you melt
hang on one cotton pickin second
>sips caffinated beverage
so what yer all sayin here
>takes bite out of stick of butter
is that I can get big
>guzzles down bowl of olive oil and egg whites
by just cuttin carbs?
>wipes greasy hands with a ribeye steak, then eats it
well yeeeeeee hawwwwwww
>but its 20%protein
High protein doesn't mean what you think it means. You've bought into too many fitness memes. The recommended protein intake for a regular, healthy person is 60 or so grams. By definition if you eat above this recommendation your diet is high in protein. By your logic someone could eat 10,000 calories a day, 20% protein, 500 grams of protein (math might not be perfect pls no bulli), and this wouldn't be considered "high protein"
>assuming
Don't do that.
if you're sedentary, plenty of studies show higher protein is needed for active people
why are you taking fringe examples? on 2000 calories, 20% protein is 100g, which is not high for an active person
>2000 calories
>an active person
lol Are you a manlet bro? Be honest.
>why are you taking fringe examples?
I'm using extremes to poke holes in your shitty logic. Percentages are useless in this context., use grams instead.
>plenty of studies show higher protein is needed for active people
Yes but that isn't what you think it means. Athletes have been purported to only need 1.2g/kgbw with 1.4-1.6g/kgbw being the upper limit. It's all about nitrogen balance. You have been tricked by supplement marketing. You're not an athlete, you don't train multiple times a day and you don't train with an athlete's intensity.
>2000 calories a day is unreasonable when losing weight, the main benefit of keto
are you a brainlet? how many calories do you cut on?
>eat carbs
>die
Different guy but 3000 at least.
fine, I prefer to cut hard and use the benefits of keto to help me minimise the duration of the cut
>he's STILL assuming everyone uses keto for weight loss
I thought I told you to stop assuming that? It isn't true.
>while higher total carbohydrate intake and/or GL are related to lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) levels.
>self-reported questionnaire
>doesn't distinguish between carbohydrates
>doesn't investigate nor remark upon what was eaten
>majority overweight/obese
>majority have high cholesterol already
>majority are LITERAL boomers
>keeps pushing the low HDL link despite evidence showing only high LDL is relevant for determining CHD risk
Wow. This """study""" really made me think. Good link user.
Also forgot to mention that their description of GI and GL lets you know they were eating an extremely shitty diet and nobody was exercising. Very vague study which seems to have an agenda.
97lbs from 400 is still 300
conveniently ignoring the other study I posted where they were all fed a diet and produced the exact same results
oh my god you're so fucking dumb bro
If you're going to go down that road, literally 95% of all dietry research should be just discarded. There are so many shit studies by those standards.
>if you read one study you must read ALL of my studies
Listen, cunt, you don't get to be entitled when I can drop up to twenty studies in a thread which nobody ever reads, tries to pick apart via abstract, gets rebuked and then leaves. The other study is a lot longer and I just can't be fucked. If it's anything like the trash I already read through it's a waste of time anyway.
Not true at all.The biggest issues are the self-reporting, the high cholesterol, high weight, lack of distinction between carbs and a failure to investigate the whole diet. It's a very poor study.
Okay if you don't want to read it that's fine but it deals with your complaints
97lbs from 242 is 147
>Funding: This work was funded by a grant from Dairy Research Institute, The Beef Checkoff, the Egg Nutrition Center, and the Robert C. And Veronica Atkins Foundation.
>Competing interests: Professional associations (Dairy Research Institute, The Beef Checkoff and the Egg Nutrition Center)
>Sixteen overweight/obese men and women 30-66 years old, with a BMI between 27–50 kg/m2 participated in this controlled dietary intervention
You also claim that this study proves eating carbs = dying but I'm not seeing that conclusion in the study. It says that dietary SFA intake does not have an adverse effect on serum SFA (but they conveniently leave out the fact that it's because of high baseline serum SFA ;) sneaky sneaky). This study is garbage.
Also since you seem to misunderstand, people who are anti-dietary fat are pro-whole food, plant based diets. Coincidentally a wfpb diet is the only diet clinically shown to be able to reverse atherosclerosis and CHD. Weird.
>p-pls respond to me senpai
>fine
>leaves the thread after getting btfo
Every. Fucking. Time.