So I was listening to this faggot talking about how you never have to be sore after training
youtube.com
At first I was skeptic but the guy looks better than me; he may have a point.
What does Jow Forums think about this?
Is there a way I could train full body 5 times a week and not fuck up my recovery?
I don't wanna watch the video but whenever you train high frequency which is the only way to get gains if you're off steroids you won't get sore much if any
soreness is for people who do something they're not used to, which means they won't grow either
You LIERALLY have to hurt yourself so your muscles can rebuild
Soreness is just what your body does
This should be helpful:
t-nation.com
I'm not exactly sure what all it entails but it is a pretty much "frequency of exercise is king for natural lifting" vs "heavy lifting contrasted with extreme muscle pumps for enhanced".
The only day off is Sunday.
This has templates for both 4 and 5 day splits:
t-nation.com
If you train each muscle group 2-3 times per week, you don't get sore at all after a few weeks. Soreness is just a function of frequency. The "le leg day" meme comes from weak retards that only train their lower bodies 3-4x per month.
hes talking about training athletes not bodybuilders you dyel faggot
You don't get sore if you do a routine after a couple weeks to a month. The worse you'll feel is during the workout itself. But after that or day after, you should feel fantasic with 0 pain. Even if you did high volume day before. The only exception is if you tweak something by ego lifting like trying to high volume, rp9, good mornings and snatch grip rdls for some reason.
Agree with everything he said. DOMS is a sign of a newbie.
Low volume/high frequency is KING for all athletes
DOMS has no correlation to hypertrophy/strength gain
t. unironic bodybuilding.com poster
Actually you accumulate more and more stress over time then eventually hit a brick wall. This is why every respectable program has a 1-2 week recovery period at the end of it. With a high frequency, low volume program you don't run into this program as you are never producing a huge cortisol response.
>boomers and their deload week
Soreness is caused by inflammation of muscle tissue. In the case of lifting, the inflammation is caused by numerous microscopic tears your created when picking up heavy weights. If you're not sore after a workout, you're probably not pushing yourself very hard.
this guy is fully full of shit
Not watching because it's pointless. Look, you need to completely hammer your muscles binyo Oblivion nin order to grow. All the way until they're exhausted. If you aren't hating yourself the next few days you done fucked up.
You also need to eat six meals a day to stoke that metabolic furnace.
t. never done a real program
Beginner lifters like you are fine no matter what you do.
Broscience
ebin shitpost
>Broscience
??????
my boy ricky del eric bugenhagen never took a deload week for years
Been lifting since late April 2017, went from a 1rm of 185 on bench to repping 225. Diddylift from 225 to repping 405. Farmer walks from 225 to 495. Squat from not even a plate to 45 reps of 275 atg. During all this I took 2 months off from lower back strain. Went from 249 lbs to 202 to 210 lbs while still dropping pant sizes, 32 - 34 atm. Oh and I rep 155 on ohp. Been getting sore after just about every workout. Apparently I'm doing something wrong? T. 5'9 manlet
You cause minor inflammation with any adequate stimulus, creating a massive cortisol response is counterproductive. Every country that is actually good at sports has always known this.
He LITERALLY trains in this way.
Soreness is caused by inflammation of the connective tissue, tendons, and ligaments, NOT the muscle. If you have DOMS you are hurting your body in a bad way.
Deload weeks are not necessary if you manage recovery
>With a high frequency, low volume program you don't run into this program as you are never producing a huge cortisol response.
o right I didn't read the second half of your post. my bad daddy
Of course it's not wrong, it worked for you, it was probably just not optimal. DOMS soreness is never optimal, but if its working for you and is fun, i can't fault that but it might not be optimal
if you experience doms after not working out for a few weeks that's normal. if you're experiencing soreness beyond mild then you're doing something wrong: over training,poor recovery, or poor form. there was a time when I could run 70 miles a week. after sunday long run of 14 miles I never felt particularly sore
tl;dr you shouldn't have doms after every workout, but being a little sore is ok
Are we actually taking degrees of soreness into account? I was talking about experiencing any soreness at all. I always experience a very mild soreness the day after a work-out and I'm pretty sure that's normal.
I think its safe to say that you should always feel a slight soreness, tiredness, or fatigue after a good work out, but the op implies that ANY soreness is bad, which seems ridiculous. if the soreness persists for more than a day then I think something is wrong
Wouldn't optimal depend on your goals like if a 5'9 210 fatboy is running miles at 6 : 20 is that not optimal? If my rhr is 44 bpm is that not optimal? My #s are without straps belts and nothing longer than a 3 minute rest. Imagine if I took gear and actually watched my diet? My post workout drink boys
Soreness isn't correlated with growth youtube.com
english please
This doms shit is irrelevant, consistency > bro science.
>44bpm rhr
yikes
maybe hes focusing on strength and is succeeding in getting stronger in whatever way hes trying to; im not gonna watch the whole video
but hes not fucking big at all lol
kek
that clip is pure broscience
but that is not a surprise in Rogan's show
I've been doing this program for a month now
Can anyone who've been doing it longer testify it?
I'm having my doubts about it
He is talking about fighters training not bodybuilders you fucking brainlet
ive been doing it since i started, about slightly less than 8 months now, absolutely great results, dunno if it would work if i was cutting though
What?
I love all the comlete bullshit and lies told by "doctors" "profesors" and "celebs" on JRE.
Listening to this show is like the worst homework. Need to fact check everything because its like 50/50 true/false.
Weed cures cancer, depression, ADHD and moon landing was fake.
Yeah athletes dont need to build muscle right dude?
They just magically become stronger and if they are sore after training they need to off themselves because they dungoofed.
The asian guy is a loudmouthed clueless imbecile
he was the same person who said "hard hitters arent taught to hit hard, they are born with muscles that join their bones in a special way so they hit hard"
Yeah it's called "flow"
He says in the next few lines that he hardly even lifts, maybe for 20 minutes max after his flow martial arts bullchit, and even then it's mostly for conditioning
It really doesn't matter, the more often I lift the less sore I feel but according to all the cool fitness jewtubers like omar, nippard, thrall etc it doesn't matter
these faggots shill disinfo so newbs never make gains beyond SS. easy money cuz they coincidentally offer programming despite supposedly giving it away for free
t. aesthetics faggot that can't throw a punch
brainlet
Well, he is wrong because everybody can be taught to hit hard but some people hit harder than others because of genetics. If you are more explosive, you hit harder than someone who is less. Some people are just born explosive and some are not as explosive
>posting nasim
too soon
Broscience faggot
This was in context of sports which are mainly aerobic but have anaerobic phases, rugby, boxing, bjj, wrestling ect. having more volume although a slower progression in strength means you get more technique and reps in contributing to a better form and output in competition.
He's not wrong, he's not exactly right but he's not 100% wrong.
He's wrong.
I though that was right. I get sore after every workout (beginner lifter) and see it as I sign I did well. If I slack off and diden't do that well I don't get that sore feeling the next day. What am I doing wrong since I get sore?
Soreness comes from a lot of factors but the big one is just novelty. If you're new - or doing something new - you'll get more sore than someone who's working just as hard but it used to the regime.
My grandfather has done a physical daily job for 50 years, (making gates, welding, lifting cement shit he makes)
He is fairly strong, but he as always looked DYEL, you need to lift heavy
you stop being sore after a few months.
he talks mostly about martial arts training not bodybuilding, all the bullshit he says implies when you have a decent athletic base not for the average skinnyfat dyel fitizen.
>if you did two reps that's not your max
>squatting every day means you're not doing intensity
>calling the Léger test "the beep test" (no wonder Rogan didn't know what he was talking about)
>you shouldn't even need to recover after workouts
>being proud of doing meme exercises, 20min workouts and being DYEL weakshit who hates lifting weights while telling people how to become strong
He arrived to some right conclussions, so he's probably spouting (misquoting) what he read somewhere else, by someone who actually understood what they were talking about. Why didn't that other cuck shut him off? He's had Louie Simmons in his show before.
I dont think he claimed anything he said as his own. Hes just explaining his experience as best as he can and he’s aware people before him have discussed the topic. It would definitely make him sound wiser if he looked into it and formed a more solid definition, maybe even comparing the classic explanation to his own he can find and point out small differences he incorporates. But at the end of the day its just a youtube podcast hes doing for fun and hes apprently successful at training athletes who win competitions.
He definitely doesnt explain it accurately and neither can i lol but i know what hes talking about and the best we can do is discuss it among each other and come to an agreement.
Everyone simmons trains is on drugs and they dont have to manage fatigue exactly as a natty would. Theyre just on drugs and gym it daily cause of commitment not because of thoughtful tactics
One of the things he was right about is that MMA fighters don't need to be particularly strong to win. Now implying that boxers like Ali didn't lift (which is what he did even if he didn't flat out say it) is just ridiculous.
I'm suffering from a negative, pessimistic and harsh view on the world. Books have helped me look at things different and helped me a lot before with other issues. Anyone know of any books that can help me to stop being nihilistic and having a negative outlook?
Take this faggot shit somewhere else.
I'm MGTOW. I don't listen to femoids.
Wrong thread, oops
This, unironically.