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Newbie edition. What do you swap your carbs for? More meat or more veg? What are some keto friendly snacks?

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>What do you swap your carbs for?
fats and protein, duh
>More meat or more veg?
more meat
>What are some keto friendly snacks?
deviled eggs

coleslaw is my go-to side dish.

Enjoy your heart disease and high cholesterol.

lol at anyone not eating buckwheat

Heart disease is mostly caused by sugar which is a carb.

t. biomed student

What do you mean mostly?

Hereditary/genetics can play a key factor in heart disease.

And on the dietary side, saturated fat is unhealthy just like sugar is
hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/butter-is-not-back-limiting-saturated-fat-still-best-for-heart-health/
>Boston, MA ─ People who replace saturated fat (mainly found in meats and dairy foods) in their diets with refined carbohydrates do not lower their risk of heart disease, according to a new study led by researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. On the other hand, those who replace saturated fats with unsaturated fats (found in vegetable oils and nuts) or whole grains lower their heart disease risk.
>Many people fall back on carbs, especially refined carbs like white bread, when they reduce saturated fat in their diets, said senior author Frank Hu, professor of nutrition and epidemiology. This may in part explain findings from a controversial 2014 paper that called into question recommendations for limiting saturated fat for heart health, and led to headlines promoting the return of butter.
>“Our research does not exonerate saturated fat,” said Hu. “In terms of heart disease risk, saturated fat and refined carbohydrates appear to be similarly unhealthful.”

>fats and protein, duh
No. You swap out your carbs for fat. Your protein can stay the same level, or even decrease if the amount you are currently eating would be too insulinogenic for a keto diet. A keto diet is not a high protein diet. The only reason that you might raise protein on a keto diet is if you ate a ridiculously small amount before, but most people in the Western world are not eating a low protein diet.

>more meat
That's your opinion and has nothing to do with keto per se. You can be vegan and do keto. It is about burning fat, not eating meat and protein, and fat can just as well come from plant sources. And even if your fat is largely from animal sources, you can still eat plenty of low calorie vegetables and even fruits as well.

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youtube.com/watch?v=asM02Vu19hw

I saw this video, though I usually think they're utter horseshit it was a small time investment, so I watched it. It gave a really strong positive viewpoint, but I don't really understand the mechanisms behind it and why it works like that. It hit all my bullshit alarm bells.

So, I thought this would be the place to ask. What are the obvious benefits, and how easy is it to achieve? I'd be really grateful in particular for personal experience.

Also, any restrictions if you're a type 1 diabetic?

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Keto is for lazy faggots who want an easy way to lose weight. It attracts suckers in the thousands by making them drop a fuck ton of water weight in the first few days, tricking them into thinking it's any better than a standard caloric defecit for fat burning.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
Moral of the story is that you need to stop getting your nutrition advice from youtube and blogs, start doing your own research, and most importantly, read the fucking sticky which clearly tells you not to fall for these retarded fad diets in the first place.

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>professor of epidemiology

epidemiological research is worthless when it comes to human nutrition. there's too many factors in our diets to say saturated fats are surely what caused heart disease in this person

Keto is the diet of the Gods, which brings a clear mind, long life and a lean, strong body.

You can be below 50g carbs and still be keto right?

Had 2 tacos yesterday. Had no idea the carb count was 23g for both until I read the torilla label.

There is nothing magic about keto, especially long term. Just look at Jimmy Moore.
Keto is good for short term benefits but to keep up long term benefits you're gonna need to think a little beyond "keto=good" and start introducing some more nuance.

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1 banana or 1 loaf of bread
which one has a higher % of carbs? For some reason I can't find the nutrition values on google

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
none of those are even keto you shit head

Have another one then, if that one isn't specific enough for you.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046

don't eat any of those. Both too high in carbs. Grab a fucking avocado and some salad and shit and put some olive oil on it.
Doubt it. 50g is pretty high. You should have piss strips to check if you're in ketosis, so just check m8.

>don't eat any of those. Both too high in carbs. Grab a fucking avocado and some salad and shit and put some olive oil on it.
They are, but if I don't take any of those 2, I will have 0 carbs in today's meals and a keto diet needs at least a bit of carbs for my body to function properly. I just had an insane cardio and I feel wasted. My body is lusting for carbs, because it has not yet adapted to using ketonics as a source of energy. I just started keto. Is it a good idea to stop carbs cold turkey?

If you think you must have some carbs, then eat a few raspberries or blackberries. About a cup will still be fine for you to stay in ketosis.

>KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects
Never thought I'd see the day we got scientific reasoning for why ketotards are retarded and mad all the time.

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what youre doing is googling studies to confirm your bias and posting withotu reading them.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
>20 adults
Garbage
>6 weeks
Garbage
>KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with approximately 5% of energy as carbohydrate
Garbage and not fully explained.
>During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary
Garbage

Everyone thinking of doing keto or who has an obsession with it should have a look at the FB group "Richard Nikoley's Ketotard Chronicles" /ketotarded/ group for a dose of perspective. It's not a fucking 'Magic Pill', it's a tool and it's a tool that can be used or abused like any other.

I'll let you know when a study is done conforming to your random personal standards. Until then, the science is still stacked against you.

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>random personal standards
except they arent random you shithead.
>the science is still stacked against you
No it actually isnt

>vegetable/seed oils

how did the seed oil industry manage to convince everyone their super inflammatory franken food is healthy?

canola oil is one of the worst things in the world for you, literally

>no mentions of protein intake
that is not even a keto

also the methods used for this even considering it's not a keto diet in the first place are so bad

did they even measure their insulin levels? pathetic study

>No it actually isnt
Post something yourself then. Post a study showing that keto has a greater effect on fat burning than a standard calorie defecit.
And by your own standards, your study needs to have more than 20 adults subjects, runs for longer than 6 weeks and has participants engaging in regular exercise.

>be fat
>go on keto
>lose weight effortlessly
>be thin
>switch to a balanced diet

wala

>Post a study showing that keto has a greater effect on fat burning
Strawman. No one is making that claim or at the very elast im not. My stance on keto is that it has greater satiety and makes it more difficult to overeat and for that reason it helps with weightloss. Im not claiming it doubles your metabolism or any shit like that.

Paleo is basically the best diet

Just don't eat anything that comes from a factory, that's what I do, just locally sourced meats and veggies

My argument this whole time has been about the lack of difference in fat burning.
You want to feel more full and think overeating is harder on a keto diet that's fine, I haven't once claimed the contrary.

>I haven't once claimed the contrary.
well some people are. Most shitheads who are against it say flat out its bad and no one should ever do it

my dood it does correlate with heart disease. people used to eat a bunch of lard and butter without heart disease of epidemic proportions. that came with processed vegetable oil, processed carbs, and refined sugar. for whatever reasons our retarded medical system decided to blame it on saturated fats.

9 months of keto +lifting. I think you're objectively wrong.

guys like moore are about no exercise and a block of cheese for a meal. That's not representative of keto.

High fat meat/dairy/eggs and green veggies is the perfect diet.

(granted still got a ways to go, but for a 35 year old boomer, could be doing much worse)

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NICE

>wife decides to do keto
>decide to give the diet a try because I've seen people I'lle get good results
>both of us go through the keto flu
>watch our fat intake, keep net carbs under 20g
>1 week in, shes passing and turning keto strips pure
>after 3 weeks, nine are still showing up as only moderate (darkish pink)

The fuck is going on here. We are eating the exact same things, and both of us work out 5 days a week. Is my body not made for keto or something?

She even cheated once and ate French fries w/ ketchup with coworkers and her ketones were STILL purple!

the strips show passsed. ketone bodies. you're probably burning yours, leaving nothing for the strip.

plus they only measure one type (out of 3 variation) of ketone bodies.

ignore strips.

>you're probably burning yours, leaving nothing for the strip.
So is this a good thing, or should I be concerned?

I guess I should mention I work out more than her because I'm a fitness instructor. Meaning I tend to work out 3-4 hours a day, 5 days a week. She works out for 1 hour a day, 5 days a week.

really two possibilities:
a) knocked yourself out of ketosis (bad)
b) utilizing the ketone bodies for fuel (good)

if you're diet is on point (not too much protein?) you're golden.

The first week, I had been keeping my protein intake the same as before I started keto. But since then, I cut back on my protein intake and still haven't made the stick turn purple.

I've lost about 6 lbs since starting, but I was expecting better results after 3 weeks.

I'm 5'7, 170lbs (yes, manlet here). I was trying to get down to 165 in a month.

healthylongevity.blogspot.com/2013/08/asian-paradox-low-carb-diets.html
healthylongevity.blogspot.com/2013/10/Cardiovascular-Disease-in-Ancient-Civilizations.html

I'm not sure how anything you said made me objectively wrong.
>guys like moore are about no exercise and a block of cheese for a meal. That's not representative of keto.
There you go there's some of that nuance I was talking about. ie, there is a healthy and unhealthy way to do keto, and that just because you're burning ketones doesn't mean much.

>High fat meat/dairy/eggs and green veggies is the perfect diet.
Why? People have success on all sorts of diets after nine months. Don't confuse your success with eating a perfect diet. People tend to idealise something after they get results with it. That doesn't make it magic (and the keto diet has been marketed as a "magic pill" with the latest docu all about it) nor does it make the perfect or ideal human diet.
Using terms like "perfect" or "magic pill" is exactly why I think keto is a fad diet. Congrats with your success in any case.

Why do people actually care about all this shit? Burning ketones is a result of a fat burning diet, not a cause. Ignore the strips and focus on results rather than how many ketones you piss out.

Anyway you could just be eating more than your wife. Any diet could lead to ketosis if calories are limited enough and you have an eating window.

literally this. no big deal if it's not your thing, just try it out yourself and jump off ship if you don't like. you won't die from not stuffing your fat face for a week or 2

>Anyway you could just be eating more than your wife.
I dont ser how this is possible since we meal prep on Sundays and Wednesdays and have the exact same portions.

But I do see where you're coming from. I've been seeing some results, but they're not as drastic as I expected. I recently started incorporating IF in with my keto diet. Hopefully I can lose 5-10 more lbs this way.

if you're macros are right you're body has just gotten better at using the ketones. it's a good thing that you're using them vs. just pissing them out