Why aren't you a vegan Jow Forums

>killing humans is fine, killing animals is crossing the line
Stop.

Veganism raises test

no it doesnt. Having feelings is a sign of high estrogen

You're drastically overestimating my deliberation over what I eat and imagining some internal conflict where there is none, likely due to your own insecurity regarding your choice to be vegan.

I don't spend time trying to justify eating meat and dairy or think about the morality of it. I'm hungry, it's food, I'm eating it. That's about as involved as it gets.

70 percent of abortions are for African Americans anyway,

Where is the harm?

>African Americans aren't human
you got me on that one.

well said. Humans evolved thanks to eating fucking meat. Cooking our meat is what allowed our brain to grow to it's size. Eating meat is as natural as sleeping. Don't feel 1 shred of remorse.

Also I own chickens. They are dumb as fuck and the idea of cucking your health/well-being to a bunch of dumb farm animals is actually insane.

ableist SCUM
fuck off libtard

I don't want low test.

I might go vegan for the environment soon anyway.

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201709/the-vegan-brain

There is no life with out death.
>B-but i eat plants!
Plants grown on farms. Plants animals want to eat.
Do the moles, squirrels, foxes, raccoons, insects, lizards, frogs killed during the farming process(pesticides, death by tractor, environment destroyed)
Unless you are growing all your own food, its still got blood on it. There is no life with out death.

But yeah, factory farming is pretty fucked up. Focus your argument on that, rather then the consummation of meat in general.

What is this faggotry?

medium.com/@drewfrench/grass-fed-beef-the-most-vegan-item-in-the-supermarket-8c46b45a0d47
suck it fags

Humans were made to eat meat.

Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn. A moral view can never be proven right or wrong by an ultimate test.

What do vegans think of the fact that all the healthiest countries in the world eat meat?

Don't forget the 100s of colonies of bees that die in large scale pollination.

They have to bring in 1000s of hives on flatbeds for pollinating such large fields. It's extremely stressful/hard on the bees. Lots of colonies die in the process and ones that remain are very stressed and annoying to work on.

One could even call it animal exploitation..but they are just dumb insects, who cares, right?

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>I care about animals so I avoid harming them
>But only when it comes to directly eating their meat, I can't be fucked to extract my self from a civilization that commits massive habitat destruction from overpopulation, unsustainable agriculture, and pollution.

Ask yourself: Is the existence of livestock a good thing? Is it good for them to experience life? If so, then you should eat them, since that's the only thing that economically justifies their existence in the first place.

>medium.com
do people seriously read these? KEK

Do you kill the insects in your home or do you capture all of them and set them free outside?

not an argument, fag

absolutely this

I thought about becoming a pescatarian. Close enough right? I agree with the pope that fish are vegetables.

you kill billions of bacteria when you wash hands

the pope didn't take general biology

The only possible answer is fasting eternally

>what vegans think non-vegans actually think
lmao
if a cow has to die for me to eat a good ass burger then that's fine with me

>i avoid harming them

that means you have to avoid using anything that is FDA approved since animal testing is part of that process to make sure its safe for humans. That includes all vaccines, everything inside a hospital, any vitamins and macro supplements, etc.

The Pope doesn't think that, and no Pope has ever thought that.

Anyway Veganism is modern decadence that's really not worth my time. (tho occasionally fasting from meat is good from time-to-time)

youtube.com/watchv=QPW3rbqWNu4&t

youtube.com/watch?v=QPW3rbqWNu4&t ***

Animals provide delicious, high-quality protein

RED PILL ALERT:

There are load more animals (rabbits, snakes, etc) that are killed during the process of harvesting crops than in the slaughtering of livestock. Therefore on a calorie-for-calorie basis, eating grains, fruits and veggies kills more animals than meat.
That being said, most mass market livestock is typically fed grain, so if vegans actually wanted to reduce harm to animals, they would eat more grass-fed beef and/or crops that are statistically less likely to kill animals in the harvesting process, but no one does this or bothers to figure it out.
This is proof that veganism isn’t about reducing harm to animals, it’s about making oneself feel good and morally superior to others.

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I was going to laugh until I realized you were serious

Honestly if vegans just mentioned their ethical position and didn't bother with pretending it's healthier I wouldn't care less. Just like I don't care about fat people who don't pretend they are healthy or that we should find them attractive.

Riddle me this... How do you ethically kill something that doesn't want to die?

Right so I'm with you here, kinda (not OP)

Humans just arent natural carnivores though. If you think I'm wrong, please go catch yourself a rabbit, gut it, and eat it raw (like any natural carnivore would)

I eat meat, just food for thought. Get it?

>Humans were made to eat meat

Elaborate?

kill them in their sleep.

We evolved through tools, tools are as integral to humans as prep time is to Batman whenever there's a who would win scenario.
Cooked meat is the easiest and densest way calorie wise to ingest. We evolved around this fact.

All animal cells are made out of mostly saturated fat and cholesterol so you always need high amounts of it stay alive. This is especially important for children because they are growing. Cows get milk, which is high in these nutrients for 6 weeks and then start fermenting plants with the bacteria they got from their mother by being inside of them and through the milk. This way their digestion works perfectly. The same happens to humans and all other animals. These nutritional needs from the milk never stop but at some point they stop drinking it so animals need different ways of getting the nutrients. Some animals have huge amounts of bacteria and over 60 thousand more digestive juices than us to break down grass, leaves, branches etc. The bacteria then feed on it and produce everything that they used to get from milk. Humans have no options like that and vegans quite quickly become cholesterol deficient as you can see in their blood tests because carnivores don't produce enough of it themselves.
More here: youtube.com/watch?v=W0-oIkO8oms&t
youtube.com/watch?v=QPW3rbqWNu4

>inb4 U R NOT A TIGAR!!!
ye lol im a human

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all living organisms weren't made to do anything but to survive and reproduce.
However, humans do have enzymes to break down most if not all of the content animals provide. Unlike plants where 33% of it we cannot digest and instead evacuate as waste.

meat tastes good and it's good for you

why is heating something not considered natural?

Because I owe it to HIM to achieve my goals and get as big as fucking possible, god dammit!

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Humans are omnivores m8, did you fail middle school biology?
Fuck even our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees, are known to hunt and eat meat

literally the opposite of your picture.

>I like eating meat so I eat meat
veganshills
>OMG ANIMALS OMG
fuck off with your threads, not Jow Forumsness or health related.

breed suicidal cattle

You kill plants and Fungi for food, you're no better.

Again, I eat meat, at least 3-4 days of the week. If you eat red meat every day you'll shitcan your arteries, catch ya at your 56 year old funeral.

All natural carnivores have pronounced canines and eat their meat raw. You may like your steak rare but I ~dare~ you to grab a raw sirloin, rip it apart with your baby human canines, and stomach the damned thing. Any natural carnivore wouldn't blink, but you would

Is that why meatniggers always argue emotionally about meat and ignore science?

Vegans have higher test
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

im not retarded, stop asking

I like eating meat and I don't care about animals that aren't cute or useful.

yeah okay but why do you think heating something is not natural?

Because no other natural meat-eaters in nature do it, and you and I couldnt (or at least would want to) eat raw meat on sight

>but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin, and
there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone.
Ouch BTFO by your own data.

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>Vegans have higher test
That study shows meat eaters as being nearly 10 years older than the vegans, it also doesn't take into account exercise habits, vegans are more likely to be health conscious than the average person eating a standard american diet, who are undoubtedly included in meat eaters.

Because it's easier not to be

>there was no differences between diet groups in free testosterone

because I like meat and accept that animals must suffer and die for it

>you and I couldnt (or at least would want to) eat raw meat on sight
Many people can and do eat raw meat and our cooking of meat is what allowed us to evolve and improve our brains.

>ignore science

youtube.com/watch?v=r3L32c8ao7M&t

youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpjsNJJeiY

lmao fuck off

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Can one put plants to sleep?
>No
Monster.

I don't care about animals and they taste good so I eat them.

I eat the fuck out of raw meat dude, raw eggs, raw milk etc. I enjoy the taste too.

>because animals dont have the ability to heat their food, its unnatural

did you forget about fire? You know, things that happen in nature many times to maintain ecosystems? Just because other animals can't think doesn't mean thinking is unnatural

We don't need to cook meat, and we shouldn't. Cooking just destroys the nutrients.

this argument always seemed a bit retarded, humans evolved along mostly divergent means of carnivorous behavior compared to other carnivorous mammals

our ancestors (likely pre homo sapiens iirc) consumed raw meat and other proteins like insects and grubs and shit, then with the advent of cooking and/or drying we lost our ability to safely digest raw meat as these methods were both more pleasing to consume and safer overall

Other than the fact this is an appeal to nature fallacy, it's also wrong. We're not carnivores we're omnivores, and to us food tastes better cooked because we're accustomed to it. If I had to eat raw meat to survive, I would be able to, meaning we're obviously not herbivores.

But we can you dishonest cunt, cut tough meat into smoll pieces and then consume.
Second, even carnivores are subject to dissease and parasites, just like how herbivores can get poisoned uwu.

>Animals being harmed directly by vegans.
>Not a single vegancuck that responds.
Vegans truly are dishonest animal abusers, I hope that the bee population is growing strong again.

We can still safely digest raw meat. However, it takes some time for your body to adjust to it.

>if its not done in nature, its not natural

i can tell thinking is not natural for you

This.

we're at greater risk from parasites and certain bacterial infection than most mammalian carnivores and even wild omnivores

but idk maybe that's to do with the fact that we've spread the fuck across the planet while eating cooked food and most parasites or bacteria we'll encounter weren't around or there were no examples of them when we were still eating raw meat regularly

hehe

>t. retard who didn't read the study
Exercises is adjusted for as is age. In fact, if you look at the results you can clearly see pre and post adjustments.

>vegans have higher test
>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER HORMONES?!
Why you gotta shift the goalposts constantly? It's a study countering the claim vegans are low test. At worst the data shows vegans are equal to meatniggers and low test is just a meme :^)

>makes emotional fagpost
stupid vegan cuck poster

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because I hate myself, and by extension, humanity.
oh wait, that's why I'm a Vegan.

>Exercises is adjusted for as is age. In fact, if you look at the results you can clearly see pre and post adjustments.
All I see is adjustment for BMI, doesn't really matter about BMI if you're a sedentary fuck.

>doesn't read
>therefore doesn't get the information
>proceeds to claim it mustn't exist
Typical meatnigger

I'm a plantchad who doesn't think John Wilkes Booth did anything wrong desu

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I have better shit to waste my time and effort on.

Humans are naturally insectivores. You are specialized in eatint crickets and grubs, with small amounts of fruits.

You can eat rabbits raw, and digest it.

You cane at insects raw too, but we're not "specialized" for insects.

>Dodges the fact that the "higher test" is just an diluted reading and that one waved it around as if it's not.
Ftfy.
Also meaning that you have no reason to abstain from meat testosterone wise then, eat up.
Also sōy boys are still effeminate sissys desu.

Which pope? This cuck one?

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Don't have time to eat kilograms of shit every day

just wanna say this:

in order to properly raise fruit/vegetable for human consumption, various species of pests and animals that eat those foods needs to be exterminated. This is mostly done with anti-pest poisons, GMO, and basic hunting. Certain species of insect also needed to be wiped off the face of the planet, because they would eat food being grown for people to eat.

In the production of meat, only a handful of grains need to be grown to sustain the livestock. On top of that, all animals currently being used as mass meat sources have insanely high populations, making them near impossible to make extinct.

Cows and Chickens were never meant to exist naturally in the numbers they do today. Unleashing their numbers onto the wild would cause mass extinctions to other species, especially native species of the environments that said cows and chickens get released into. Every single captive animal would first need to be slaughtered in order for them to have no impact on other species in order for a "meat ban" to work.

And then what? Well, you're essentially cutting out a huge source of food of the population. You and your white middle class california lifestyle won't be affected, but homeless people and the impoverished will suffer greatly. Food will be more expensive, not less, and millions will starve to death due to a drastic reduction in food.

It's a childish fever dream fueled by the idealism of people who have never been hungry or starving in their lives: people who live in places where there's TOO much food to eat, and getting rid of most of it wouldn't be a big deal to them.

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Violence doesn't phase me.

>literally spend more calories collecting enough insects to meet caloric demands than you could possibly collect in a day
>specialized in eating insects

It takes far less time to slaughter an animal and get your daily protein/calorie needs.
Have you seriously ever tried collecting enough insects to survive off?
No you haven't, so fuck off.

Do we have a retard whisperer in the thread who can translate this shit for me?

How the fuck can Christianity ever recover from this shit?

>it's the "autistic farming post that focuses intently on the negatives of vegetable production while glossing over the greater negatives associated with meat production and contains so much bullshit to unpack that nobody ever bothers"

Doesn't phase me either, currently waiting to enlist as a bullet sponge/trigger puller in the Army.

>Vegans have higher test
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
Thanks for this man, looking to prove this to my friend, got any more studies that show with this one?

>it's a "using autistic as an insult" post
spotted the loser