Is it necessary to isolate side delts?

Only if you want to have good, sexy delts.

No you can't. Besides triceps, OHP is 90% front delt and 10% lateral. Don't fall for that Rippetoe bullshit, OHP does not work your delts evenly! Doesn't work rear delts at all as well/.

You should isolate side and rear delts to maintain symmetric muscles

OHPing. Rows.

literally reatarded

>Besides triceps, OHP is 90% front delt and 10% lateral.
never said otherwise

if you have decent side delt genetics, it can still be enough

Incline rows are to lateral raises what db pressing is to db flys.

I would say isolating side delts is only a hypothetical imperative. Not necessary.

Yeah but don't do pick related. Instead do band facepulls since they also train your rear delts and improve your posture while still destroying your side delts. Best injury prevention exercise for shoulders

Isolating muscle groups is a meme. I stopped isolating arms and saw no change in size or strength in compunds. I do some pump work with curls, flyes, side raises the end of the workout but thats it. How ridiculous to think that weighted chinups and rows wont grow your biceps but 15 kg curls definitely will.

when i do arnold presses my side delts burn like crazy (in the good way). just my two cents from a dyel

Take this into consideration, I hurt a rotator cuff, and couldn't do side delts, but could do basically everything else including shoulder press, rows etc. After about 6 months of not doing them, my delts had a distinct flat spot in the middle.
>granted I did train my front and rear delts specifically and they were pretty developed

100 x this

>ohp
>side raises
>face pulls
all you need op and dont be afraid to hit your shoulders pretty often they recover real easy

ever tried seated bent over side raise?
I reckon they're pretty super

>They are small muscles so you need a lot of frequency
really?

clearly you don't know biomechanics

DB OHP feels like it works them

It would be better than just a bar to hit all the heads.

I think I'm one of the few people that thinks this is a bad exercise. Not terrible since there will still be niche situations where you might wanna do it for a while, but for me it feels uncomfortable on my shoulder and it's impossible to go heavy so what's the point of doing an exercise if you can't progressively overload?

Fucking braindead people man have you ever heard of hypertrophy

you still need to fucking overload those fuckers. Now explain to us how you induce hypertrophy in them without overloading them?

I hate ohp. I have to do it seated due to drop ceiling in my basement and it's just awful. I feel like I can't keep my back flat against the bench and I'm just doing a super incline bench press.

How should I go about fixing this? It always feels awkward to complete a set. Should I just switch to dumbbells? Is there another exercise I can do entirely?

>increasing weight is the only way to progressively overload

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>i'm going to spend 5 hours in the gym until I bore my delts into growing

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>OHP and lat raises take 5 hours

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you need to hit every head otherwise your shoulders will look like shit, rows for the posterior, lateral raises for the lateral head and arnold press for the anterior

We're talking about side lateral raises ITT.

A friend went to snap city from lateral raises, been scared to go heavy on them since that happened.

"The brainlet is immunized against all dangers:
one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs of him like water off a raincoat. But call him a brainlet and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: 'I've been found out.'" -Joseph Goebbels

Why would you go heavy on lat raises in the first place?
If you can’t do 12 reps, lower the weight

nothing wrong with sitting OHP, Alpha destiny does them.

How many sets can you add before its ineffective training?

>implying you could only increase one metric of progressive overload

M8 you can increase weight, volume, frequency, or decrease rest time.

If you lat raise 8kg for 10 reps and then the next week you lat raise 8kg for 12 reps you’ve gotten stronger

the shadow makes it look like he has a raging boner, dude really likes lat raises

This is good, solid advice right here.

Yeah. But the question is, if doing lateral raises and you can't increase the weight, for how long can you add volume and frequency until its ineffective? You can't just stay at 8kilo for ever, right?

What about dumbbell upright rows?

Does your gym only have 8kg dumbbells? For me, take a weight I can do for 12 reps; work up to 20 reps; then increase the weight (my gym has 1kg increments of the low weights

menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/what-happens-if-i-always-lift-the-same-weight#

This will probably answer your question of never increasing weights though

How do I find out how many reps I should do for every muscle? How many reps should I do for biceps? I've been doing 3x12 lat raises with 15 killograms for a few months like a jackass.

>trying this hard
why you're virgin

Don't do upright rows unless you want a crippling shoulder impingement.