Is college required to “make it”?

she looks like an ugly slag, have some fucking standards

>IT

yeah ok stay delusional dipshit, pajeet will work 16 hour days for 1/4th your salary.

pajeet writes shit code, no one wants a pajeet working for them

Top college yes random college from bumfuck nowhere no. Go to a CC and transfer to a top 20 (some would argue top 40) school for your program.

T. That's what I did and go to a global top ten now

this is what I did, it took a few years of suffering but ultimately I am making good money now and since there is such a shortage of decent electricians I always get to work OT and that is paying off my house faster.

I honestly dont understand how some of these kids expect to survive on some of these degrees.. What kind of a job can you get with a philosophy or art history degree? The few jobs that are in those fields are gonna have tons of applicants.

most decent shops will pay for your schooling, minus books.

Is STEM a meme?

Trades are a good option, but really need to be put in perspective. Alot of young guys in the information age with no goals, but are decent honest people do well. But the work sometimes isn't there or you have to travel alot to find work. And when you do have work you will be out there for 50hrs/wk minimum in the elements. The reason trades people make money is because they work non-stop. You will have some guys in your shop that are actual alcoholics and people with anger issues. Lots of highly disagreeable/predatory people. Work can get repetitive. Burn-out rate is high.

It all depends on your trade and what kind of company/union you go for. I don't want to steer anyone away from a decent opportunity. You also learn an honest skill, form a brotherhood with co-workers and go home with a feeling of actual hard work. Just realize theres a reason why your parents want to see you in a stable, air conditioned, pay check guaranteed office setting.

yes

>BA Biochemistry
>not BSc Biochemistry (probably a typo though)
>didn't even do research
>didn't even consider graduate school
Uh, something's not adding up here. There are lots of lab slave jobs out there (laboratory technician, wet chemistry lab tech, etc.). Also if her parents paid $140k for college they must've extended her the offer of living at home. If it's actually a true BA in Biochemistry, then ok, she's fucked.

What's her name?

stem is very broad

Any links to said internet porn? I need to verify this story

>in the elements
oh noooooo. Just fucking deal with it, pansy

Why would she take the GRE and then not go to grad school? Don't add up.

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im going to need sauce

Yes. I did a BSc in pharmacology and chemistry and couldn't find work as anything but a pharmaceutical rep or label. Ended up doing a meme master's in public policy and now I'm working a decent civil service job with good pay and benefits.

calm down sweetheart

I went to college not because I wanted to, but because my parents wanted me to.

Fuck around trying to find a degree I liked: Health studies, business, psych bleh.

I realized I loved philosophy, majored in it, and minored in business and economics. Admittedly, I left university much more well rounded, feeling way more intelligent, and better at critical thinking. However, I won't lie, I thought about dropping out multiple times to pursue a trade.

In my opinion, unless you are skilled in math and science, you shouldn't do university. If you plan to be a lawyer, engineer, programmer, doctor etc, then college is for you. Essentially, STEM with a few other areas of study. Outside of that, you could invest the same amount of money that would be used for a college degree and apply it to something else. The 'something else' could be trade school, starting a business etc.

tl;dr: You don't need college to make it. Just be smart, live within your means, acquire SKILLS, not expensive pieces of paper.

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This

Why do people always forget the industrial designers and the designers, our field is growing to Nani!

I haven't heard of it until now, but that sounds like it would be a growing field. Infrastructure almost always need improving.

college is a fucking huge waste if you just go because "it's what you do after highschool"

if you have absolutely no idea what you want to do with your life then DON'T WASTE MONEY IN COLLEGE you will regret it

that being said if you actually have an idea of what you want to do, work hard for the degree and make connections, it helps. Between the people you meet/friends you make and the piece of paper you get to stick on your wall, you'll be set for most jobs.

Trades are just as good though. A competent tradesman with a little business sense will be writing his own checks in no time.

I'm This guy is right. Although I went to college, I didn't go for myself. I didn't even question it, my parents and the highschool I went to just pushed me into it.

Key thing, BE PROACTIVE. Don't let people pressure you into going to college because "It's what people do".

Take time. Gap year. Work, volunteer, maybe travel, start trade school, maybe even join the military. But I wish I could have taken some time to think before going to university.

I'll agree, trades are good, and in some cases may even be better than a college degree. If you have your own plumbing or electrician service, you could charge people over $100 an hour and make bank if you're good at what you do.

>Pay you to learn
>Wanted to get into HVAC
>Costs 25k

They pay me while I pay them?

This shit bewilders me, I got terminated off financial aid a long, long time ago and had a loan forgiven because autism. But now I just wanna go get a trade and live in a sub 120k home.

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It's pointless if you don't network and challenge yourself.

If you just want to turn in the assignments and play beer pong you might as well start plumbing school now

I don't get the whole college thing. My dad hooked me up with a job as an accountant for free, he wasn't in a high standing position, just your everyday blue collar guy. I didn't need a degree either, I got promoted to assistant manager just by doing a good job and presenting myself in an orderly fashion. We have fresh meat in the company with degrees and certificates but they're choking big time.

I thought you idiots in America had it easy.

>cries about being poor
>vet bills
stupid whore

I worked in a manufacturing plant for a couple years in my early twenties that offered to pay for me to learn to weld and this was basically my experience as well.

7 days a week, 6/12 and 1/8. Lots of hardwork day in and day out, not much room for advancement, you get hired in at 10.25 and they cap you out at about 18 and you just make your money from being there all the time.

Some of the guys who worked on brake press had been there for upwards of 20 years and had essentially watched their entire life pass them by in this factory making meager money.

Doing a trade or general labor isn't a terrible decision for some people but I do think that a lot of young guys romanticize it and don't quite understand what going that route can many times actually require of you down the line.

Decided to change my course and now I'm working on a degree in supply chain management, will still be in the manufacturing sector but will be doing 40h/w and seeing a significantly higher paycheck than I would be had I stayed the route I was on.

College is not by any means a bad option you just have to not approach it looking at it like a 4 year summer camp.

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STEM is just the latest attempt by the collegiate frauds to sucker stupid bastards and cunts into going to college.

Why do you think had that big hullabaloo about there being not enough bitches in STEM fields or studies? It's to con the dumb bitches into going from stupid bullshit degrees into actual degrees because they know fucking well that men aren't falling for it and fewer and fewer men are going into college.

School is for idiots. I have my grade 10 and have a $60,000 a year job, company car and have spent all that time learning on the job and earning money instead of wasting that time in a classroom. if you really rely on the school system you're competing against millions of other idiots exactly like you.

No, but regardless of all of Jow Forums's anecdotes, statistically more people who go to college "make it" than who only have a HS (GED or dropout too) education.

It’s your own fault. For both those degrees to mean anything you need more than a bachelor’s. You need a master’s in chemistry or to go to pharm school to do anything of meaning in those fields.

Not anymore. Every trade job I see requires years of experience and some people I know dropped from the schooling programs cause they figured they weren't getting jobs out of it.

STEM jobs only look for a Bachelor's. Anything beyond that is for teaching positions.

This. Get rid of your fucking pets if you're struggling that much. It'd help you actually save money.

Um, you are very wrong. Hell, many STEM jobs don't even want to bother with undergrads. You might get lucky and get some junior position here and there, but they'll usually have some stipulation that you further your education in X years (which they usually pay for, at least partially). Most research assistants are master's level and anything research based is PhD. In chemistry for example, a BS might clean glassware and shit, or other bitch work like storing and retrieving samples, loading and unloading instrumentation, or babysitting an instrument.

>1500 a month

oof. I'm an engineering intern and I make more than this.

STEM is really only TM. The fuck does a company need a biochem major for.

Im going to add to this and say that if you have an ounce of hard work and realistic goals, you'll build a steady career no matter the major.

I have friends who are art majors. Funny, right? Haha unemployed! Nope, he knows photoshop and all that wizard editing shit. Easy makes a living with his art degree. Youre not going to be the next Van Goy

I have friends who majored in philosophy. Are a lot of philosophy majors unemployed? Yeah because all they have is a piece of paper and expected a job. My friend works as a project manager because he is able to think critically both technically and socially. I cant deal with people like he can nor can I keep track of a million different things due at different times.

Physics major -> data scientist. Stats major -> actuary. Biology major -> podiatrist. No degree -> plumber, machinist, electrician.

I got a cs degree and easily make 6 figures straight out of college. Was it easier getting a job than other degrees? Yup, but there are a lot of cs majors who are still unemployed because they have set no goals for themselves.

tldr; do whatever the fuck you want to do but you better do it damn well. no one is going to hand you shit

I've done both. Depends on what degree you get. The OOH is printed for a reason.

Hit the nail on the head here. It's not about what you learn, but how you use what knowledge you have and what kinds of goals you set for yourself. Most of the people who you know who are out of a job are typically just really bad at setting and striving for realistic goals for themselves. The most important thing across the board is to have goals that you strive for. From daily goals to monthly or yearly goals, up to lifelong ambitions. The first step to achieving a goal is setting it;

Think of going to post secondary, and buying a house as product's that a bank offers to make money, they are nothing more than that.

No, they don't.
A college degree is simply mandated for many fields and many people who will get an easy ride simply pay for a degree and get their cushy job right after.
No seriously.
That's how it is.
Vast majority are just future debt slaves with trash degrees that won't help them get a good job.
The mere idea that college is something you have to do to MAKE IT in life is the biggest fucking con ever.

>Im going to add to this and say that if you have an ounce of hard work and realistic goals, you'll build a steady career no matter the major.

You wouldn't actually need a college degree if you had any of that.

>podiatrist
you ousted yourself, foot fetishist

That's retarded. I'm a welder and have had 0 issue getting work. I was literally able to pick from multiple different companies where I want to work. Trades are pretty okay and you dont take work home with you. That being said, they arent a miracle and if you want to make big money you better be willing to travel and work a ton of OT

I don't know what to tell you man, you're personal experiences don't trump data, statistics, and all that jazz.

bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm

It's a con for stupid people

Smart people benefit greatly from a university education

>studied STEM at a top uni
>worked hard
>got a job at NASA
whoop dee doo what a fuckin meme am I right? All these dorks just went to shitty schools, what did they expect?

Is the moon landing footage real

no

Glad I didn't fall into the STEM meme, why waste 200k for all possibly 80k down the line, at least in business if you manage to get into a good company you can eventually start bossing over the STEM majors.

I FUCKING knew it

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Unless you have an "in" (daddy runs a company, etc) you aren't managing shit without an MBA. Depending on what exactly you are going to be doing, you need a pretty intensive undergrad too like finance, econ, or accounting. Just going to school for "business" doesn't get you shit if you are trying to work your way up to an executive or administrative position on your own.

Also, earth is flat and the moon is a nazi spacecraft. They tell you all this shit before you can get your access badge.

NASA sounds retarded

Yes, getting a degree will increase the number of opportunities open to you.

Girl in OP is a loser. Applying for 90 jobs is not hard, it's something we all did coming out of college. You spam applications like it's nobodies business.

Also no right owning a pet when she's making $18k in take home a year. That's poverty money, why she ditched her food service job (which no doubt paid more) and incurred a total of $21,000 in additional debt is beyond me.

but i dont have enough money to go to a top school

Wrong.

Employers use the presence or absence of a degree to self-select for people with traits they want.

If you can't be bothered to graduate college, chances are you aren't what they're looking for.

Do you need college to have critical thinking skills? No, of course not, it just so happens that most people with those skills go to college. Your future (or not) employer is just playing the odds.

the best part of all is that when she finally gets that biochem job its $1500 a month

I have a buddy in the U.S. Coast Guard and he loves his life and job and makes $3,000 a month (take home pay because housing, healthcare, and all the other necessities are taken care of) and he joined straight out of high school

>Huge demand that will only grow

Delusion.

>work very hard in school
>do software engineering
>get top grades and top internships
>now make 150k+ a year (depending on stock options) at big G and never work more than 40hr/week

STEM is not a meme - you just still have to work hard and not expect everything on a silver fucking platter.

Dude you have no idea how bad labor jobs are hurting for people right now. Skilled or unskilled. I've quit two jobs because of excessive overtime. The only reasonable one I've found is a small local business making giant exhaust systems

>1500 a month
fucking how? When i was an intern i made almost triple that.

this, even if you're retarded, you can find a software engineering job that makes at least 50k working for the government or a bank or some shit. Hate these bitches that complain

stem is very broad so ofc there are shitty stem majors

1500 a month? How the fuck is she making so little money with a bachelors degree?

Slack off in school. Dick around and get a polysci degree. Graduate with B average.

Join back office at a finance company, prove competence, get promoted once a year, make $90k by 27.

You don't need STEM and impeccable internships, you need a bottom level job, intelligence, and a willingness to work.

Not sure, but I went to grad school and got my PhD (math) just to be safe.

Anyone here do physical therapy for a living?
Seems like a pretty easy job with a shit load of demand of people for some reason.

No, but I looked into it a fair bit. It looks like most places only do a doctorate program for PT now, so it's a fuck ton of schooling compared to what it used to be. I decided against that, and am thinking PA school instead.

>trades are better
Brainlet cope

>$15k relocating

What the actual fuck

If you can be replaced by pajeet your shit.
Basically this.

I didn't get a degree and yet I got a job in IT Security and am at a pretty comfy salary, should I get one or is the experience itself enough?

It's a wank you fuck

He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.

whats a degree i can get that ez? Idk what i wanna do and i want to use my gi bill

Every comp sci major I knew landed a sweet job after only 4 years of schooling. No other degree came close for how little time and money it took to get.

Computer Science studentfag here. Am I just wasting my time and money? I already work for the USPS and want to move up to their IT department or work for the office of postal inspection.

Imagine her sitting there writing this hahahah

tradesmen arent factory drones that are getting automated away left and right.

if anything, a lot of low and mid tier white collar jobs (the kind sometimes referred to as 'paper pushers') are falling to advancing digitalisation of the workplace.
a plumber or electrician on the other hand? literally impossible to replace with a machine or algorithm.

>at least in business if you manage to get into a good company you can eventually start bossing over the STEM majors.

the ones bossing over the stem guys are older, more experienced stem guys
you think some mid level management or marketing position gets to tell the guys in engineering what to do? think again lmao
unless you get very high up the ladder, you aint bossing over anyone

I’m in college now, but when I was in high school I worked with my friend and his uncle who flipped houses on a construction site where he would basically tear houses down to their frame and rebuild them, and there is a variety of personalities, the electricians were usually chill and the welders has big egos, but the one thing they all have in common is having 1000 different ways to say “id fuck that chick in the ass” I’m seriously considering dropping college and learning a trade

shes probably a janitors assistant or line cook in the canteen at some pharma plant lmao

I dont really want to go into the plants like my entire family, i want to become a physical therapist. Am I fucked?

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not necessarily, pic related.
mittlere reife = secondary school(?)
ABI = Abitur = college

remember: were ALL gonna make it!

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Lawfag reporting in. Here's my life story and two cents.

>Was armyfag first
>Got redpilled pretty fast on how little the world values actual, professional skills more than general ability (e.g. techs and mechs have way easier lives than infantryfags)
>Got out. Took lesson to heart and went to law school
>Law is easy as fuck if you're not an idiot
>Rapid career advancement if you're willing to put in the same amount of time as a tradesman
>Mfw other college students bitch and moan about schoolwork or deadlines or other trivial shit
>Mfw college grads studying meme degrees lament about terrible job market/economy/lack of employment opportunities

Always go for a profession. Obviously a profession that requires a college degree will pay way more and have greater advancement opportunities than a profession that doesn't, but both beat general fields where literally anyone can come in off the street and do the job with a little bit of instruction.

And then of course there's all the stuff about being willing to work hard and such. A lot of lawyers drop out of the industry within their first decade to open a coffee shop or some shit. You've got to stick with it. Having your own things to do in your limited downtime will help, like lifting. Don't fall into the normie traps set by the ones destined to fail. If you stay focused and committed, the careergains and lifegains are real.

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>daddy connections
>judging others with no connections for struggling

O I am laffin

college is one of the biggest scams out there.
I'm glad in my country it was free, but not worth it tho.