Rate my physique, Jow Forums. Been lifting for 12 years

nah you have more fat hanging on you than he does because you're flexing and he def isn't and you're still about the same.

Pretty damn good. Nice work user.

haters gonna hate son.

nice work m9, 12 years is a damn good shift to put in. probably whats making all these kids think youre e statting.
you're at 8/10 for me so far, cant see legs or lats but at a 550 squat i dont doubt theyre up to scratch.
how have you found keeping training up for 12 years mentally? go through down periods or ever want to jack it in because progress seems so slow sometimes?

both are obviously flexing you retard

not gonna lie, this is goals physique for me. although it looks like you weigh way more than 170.

what does your routine look like? and when you bulk, how many calories above your TDEE do you consume?

Puur kino m8 Marvel worthy

Someone determine OP's height by using his phone as reference. There's no fucking way he's 6 feet

>6ft

Nigga don't lie

Unless you can tell the ratio of how close the phone is to the mirror, and how close his body is, this is hopeless. Plus you can't tell his leg length. You're guaranteed to be off by several inches in some random direction trying this.

i mean you dont look bad, but in all seriousness if i look like that after 12 years of lifting i will kill myself
do you just fuck about at the gym or what?

Not OP but 10% is recommended.
Also don't bulk for more than 8 weeks or your insulin and metabolism get a little fucked.

Always get down to 10% bf before bulking and always stop if you get up to 15%. Then cut back to 10% and repeat until you reach your natty limit.

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>6'0
>still smaller than the soap dispenser
>size of that phone
>dwarf face

Tfw op is a world record holder and posting on Jow Forums

What the fuck do you look like then?

Daddy mode i would let you ravage my asshole while my gf watches.

>Chad Penison all over the winners

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>6'
>170

Are your legs made of helium?

Eva Green (Jew)

Manlet/10

12 years and you have a high school bench?

>6'0"
>170 lbs
One of these is a lie

12 years???????

either you are a brainlet who is lifting.... like 3gr of iron a week or ur genes suck badly...

1.5 years, 190 lbs

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>Lost your hair due to steroid use
JUST
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my forehead just big af ;-;
and no roids tho if you were srs about that

>This kills the roidlet
DOUBT
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If you post your hairline, I'll tell you if you're balding or not. Just hold the hair out of the way, including the corners.

lmao you were serious. it's definitely possible to get my physique in 1.5 years without roids. I started from 68kg. 75kg after 6 months to 90kg 2 months ago. Down to 85kg now. It's work hours here so no hairline pic

>lifting for 12 years for this

if you're curious my 5's are:
80kg ohp
120kg bench at 90kg, 115kg bench at 85kg
160 squat at 90kg, 150 squat at 85kg
180kg dl

I’m 6 (184cm) and weight 190lbs so you’re lying, manlet

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>it's definitely possible to get my physique in 1.5 years without roids
Only you didn't, and it's not. You have roid traps and shoulders. Even as a manlet you wouldn't get that far in that amount of time.

You gained almost 40 pounds in 18 months, when most people don't gain more than 25 pounds, assuming you're at the same body fat since you started. Even then, the build isn't natural. I don't know what would possess you to come here and lie through your teeth about it.
I mean, at least you're giving some information but that just damns you more. You weren't naturally strong or big when you started lifting. You're still not that strong, no offence. If you had an argument for why you could be natural, you would say that you must have naturally high testosterone levels, only you likely would have already had some muscle and strength before you started.

How tall are you?

hmmm, the thing is I am natural though :/ why the fuck would I feel the need to lie to you?

I started in Oct of 2016, so technically 20 months, it just rounded nicely to 1.5. In that time I gained about 20kgs... seems reasonable. A kg a month isn't insanely fast. Also, keep in mind 13% to 15% bf (estimate for myself) at 90kg is much more bf than 13% at 68kgs. I can't see why you think that's impossible. It is--I'm living proof. Also, my shoulders are rather small despite my lift proportions (ohp proportionately higher than other lifts). Although I will agree with you, my traps have developed nicely. My lift numbers are pretty low, but are reasonable for 20 months lifting. My brother, at close to 30 months lifting is at a 270kg dl and a 220kg pause squat for doubles. I'm 175 cm

Also I would say I was naturally strong before I started lifting. I was squatting 80kg and 60kg for reps untrained. I'm not sure what constitutes "naturally strong" though, but I feel that 80kg untrained is not a bad number

Although I am partially flattered at your accusation that I roid, I also feel slighted, as your claim of my roiding (to me) feels like an invalidation my hard work. Not shitting on roiders here, but everyone knows that acquiring a good physique naturally is probably an order of magnitude more difficult than when roided. Out of curiosity, post your body and years lifting? I could understand your insistence that I roid if you've been working out for a similar or greater timeframe without similar results.

Almost all steroid users lie. Some because it's illegal where they live, some because they think it doesn't really help with muscle mass, others because they're insecure and they think they are inspiring other people when they are not. Some think that being off cycle means they are natural.

If you're 12% body fat, 175cm, and 85kg, that gives you an FFMI of 24.7... 20 months lifting and you're already bigger than 75% of steroid users, which have an average FFMI of 23 and almost all naturals. You're almost the same size as John Grimek and other Mr. America winners.
> I gained about 20kgs... seems reasonable
It's not. Progress is slow after about your first 20 pounds. It's about 10 pounds per year after your first year, about five after that. You reached beyond the genetic potential of almost all naturals in less than two years, you also have the traps of steroid users which balloon because of more androgen receptors.
>I also feel slighted
Get used to it. No informed lifter is going to believe you. I still don't. You're harmless enough, but it's just too unlikely.
> feels like an invalidation my hard work
Steroid users also think that, which is yet another reason why they don't come clean.
> I could understand your insistence that I roid if you've been working out for a similar or greater timeframe without similar results.
That's literally everyone here. Most people won't get that large in their lifetime. Even most steroid users won't.

(again)
13-15% at 90kg is 25.9-25.3 FFMI. That's higher than some steroid taking professional body builders.

Hmmm, I'm not sure what to tell you. I live in Beijing, China. Come visit me, I'll pay for both your plane ticket and your stay if you find evidence of my roiding. You can ask my gf, family, and whatnot. If you got time we can even lift together. I haven't checked my ffmi in a while, but after seeing 24+ I can understand your doubt. With just numbers I would doubt similar stats posted with others myself too. I'll follow up this post with contact info if you're interested. Also, at 90kgs I would say I was closer to 16 to 18 bf. That was the end of my bulk. Here is another pic of me at 85kg around 4 months ago on my way up to 90kg. Right now I am 85kg on my way down

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Also, to be fair, I have always been naturally heavy. 68kg for an untrained 175cm person is actually quite high. Perhaps it is the weight of my dick (lol)

this happens a lot around here, any actual effort is greeted with "ROIDS!!!1!11"

Dude that's not you. I know because that's me.

I'm the dude in OP's pic. He's lying his ass off.
I'm 5'6
176lbs
600 SQ
No bench because torn labrum
715 DL
I know I look bad. Sue me. Also OP you're a fuckin faggot.

More like 5'0

I'm 6ft and at 170lbs I'm still a fucking lanklet.
OP is short as fuck.

You look good, actually. People in this thread just shitting on your pic because of 6'0 claim

Why would someone claim to be me and have a made up back story. That's so fuckin lame.

Fuck you bald incel roider stop lying

Because Jow Forums is larp central

Well, thanks, but I'll have to decline the offer. It's been an interesting discussion. There's no true way of knowing, even if I drug tested you and did interviews. I would just have to take your word for it and the claim is too extraordinary for that. When they were doing the testing to figure out FFMI of steroid users, they had people lying to get into the natural pool and they had to root them out with drug tests, just for an example as for why you can't trust anyone.

You're about 10-15 pounds of lean mass off from peak Arnold Schwarzenegger FFMI. It will be interesting to see how much more muscle you can add. Seem to have some room to grow in the pectoral muscles because they are your weak point.
Especially considering that most Asians seem to have small frames and trouble putting on mass. Maybe it was some weird environmental factor, although usually people just get deformities and cancer.
That's really fucking stupid. Actual effort doesn't get you that big. You literally have to have genetics that are better than hundreds of millions of people, if even possible at all.

I'd offer you the same about coming to Beijing and lifting with me while I'd pay for your stay and tix if you find evidence of my roiding, but you don't seem as cool or as serious as the other dude...

Yea i dont wanna lift with some fake natty bald asian manlet thx anyway

You didn't even get my squat right you fuckin idiot.

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Damn, I'm surprised I'm actually that close to Arnold FFMI. Perhaps the measurement isn't as accurate as perceived? Arnold feels far, far above me in every regard. Also, isn't 26+ FFMI only considered unobtainable naturally?
And you are right, my weak points are definitely my pectorals, especially the upper region. My current routine doesn't allow room for incline bench, so my chest has been lagging behind.
As to your last point, it is possible that I have genetics in the upper hundred thousandth percentile. Consider my brother, who is nearing a 300kg dl (270 current) in under 3 years of training. He's doing shit I've never even heard of.

dude im 5'9, 85 kg at 15 bf
theres no way youre 170 at 6'0

you mean outlifted* by

You need to hit lats harder and cut a little bit, but I can't really say shit because you lift more than twice what I do so good job.

Mathmetician with a phd in geometrical measurements here. This guy is actually about 3 and a half feet.

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No I'm 5'6 176lbs. OP just posted a pic of me with made up claims. I'm not really sure why.

Triangles can't tell lies Brad.

The trigonometry of Truth!!!!

>Perhaps the measurement isn't as accurate as perceived?
It just gets weird because of the way muscle is distributed. For example, most people only have a few pounds of actual muscle on their arms. You can go from 12" to 17" arms and technically only gain a few pounds of weight, but it would make you look so much bigger. Arnold had a great chest, it really helped with the way he looked.
>Also, isn't 26+ FFMI only considered unobtainable naturally?
It's unknown. The original study said around a 25 is limit, but then included 'natural' Mr. America winners with FFMIs up to 27 because they didn't have enough data from the people they were studying. There's two problems with this, one is that they had the weight and body fat of the Mr. America winners wrong, they just went by the pamphlets given out before shows, and we've had synthetic testosterone since 1935, which predates nearly everyone included in the study. Body builders were writing about it in 1938. It would be a few years before it became cheap and the doses rose, but they definitely included some people that likely tried it and were implicated by other body builders.

I'm willing to beat that 50% of naturals couldn't get beyond 23 FFMI and 90% couldn't get beyond 24. Now obviously there's a lot of genetic outliers, but seeing a natural with a 27 FFMI would be like seeing someone that was 10 feet tall. It probably doesn't vary that much. I think it's reasonable that 26 FFMI would be the hard limit for even people with the best genetics.
>My current routine doesn't allow room for incline bench
Apparently incline doesn't active the upper chest that much more than flat bench, but I'm not much help there.

Also for anyone interested, most FFMI calculators screwed up the math and therefore the result.

This one has the correct equation:
sgb.neocities.org/stuff/fitness/ffmi-metric.html

Oh and while I think about it Arnold could have been 28 FFMI but Frank Zane, for example was at most 26 FFMI. He would be 5'9 180 pounds in contest.

Lol it's a big phone okay?

Thanks for the information. I can understand your doubt. You seem like a very informed lifter and I'm guessing cases like mine are few and far between.
Also, interesting to know about the incline bench. I want to compete sometime, but my weight class for my current lifts is very unideal and I am struggling to increase in strength at lower weights (83kg). For now I suppose I'll just keep lifting and see how it goes.

As an aside, I've noticed since supplementing brazilian nuts (high in Se) my frequency of morning wood has gone from maybe once or twice a week to daily without fail. Since supplementing garlic and selenium nuts my squat has jumped 140kg 5x5 to 160kg 1x5 within the span of a month

... how is it that my weight is so close to these gods? could it possibly be that my internal organs (or something(?????)) are several standard deviations above the average weight?

It's also hard to judge my progress and my relation to other people in the gym as China's gym culture is kind of lacking. I am the strongest person at my gym, which really shouldn't happen since I'm lifting sub 200kg for 5s for dl. I assumed my progress was entirely normal as I was the only one actually lifting in the gym.

Thanks for the calc.

No problem. I have to go now, but here's a strength standard chart that is based on the results from the largest American drug tested power lifting organization. You definitely seem to have more than enough muscle mass to support increasing your lifts, so the problem is mostly psychological and with neural adaption. I used to be able to bench 225 pounds back when I had 13" inch arms. I was doing 12 x 225 pounds with 15" arms, so some people really don't need much muscle to lift heavy.
>China's gym culture is kind of lacking. I am the strongest person at my gym
That can be a real problem. I honestly believe that a lot of strength is mostly mental. They've done a study where they told good lifters they were giving them steroids and instead gave them placebo. Their lifts all went up almost 20% and then they went back down after they were told the truth.
That's a good question. I don't know. but it's probably because you are at a higher body fat. You shouldn't even bother calculating your FFMI unless you're sub 15% body and ideally close to 10%. It doesn't work for overweight people because they carry more muscle mass from it. Bone density doesn't seem to add much weight.

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Thank you for your time. Learned a great deal from you.
I agree with you that a lot of strength is mental. There's no way my muscle improved enough from just supplementing nuts and garlic to increase 20kg in squats in a month.
I'll find a more accurate way of tracking my bodyfat soon. It is possible that even in my intial pic that I am higher than 16% bodyfat. I store most of my adipose tissue in my glutes and thighs, while retaining very little on my stomach. Even at 90kg I had visible abs while flexing and slight indications of abs unflexed.

Thanks for the chart as well, I will be referring to it when I begin to prep for competition and move onto a strength building routine

Lol you have to be like 5 fucking feet tall

Fuarkkk women deadlifting 500? Might as well an hero. I'm never going to make it

OP. Cut the FUCKING shit. You're either 6' and about 210 or 5'5" and 170. Also that deadlift is elite wtf are you doing on Jow Forums?

is this women's?

OP is a manlet

>go through down periods or ever want to jack it in because progress seems so slow sometimes?

Newfag here. Are you guys all this casual about steroids?

Dude! That is not you!

browse before posting. there is a perpetual roid general

That sounds kind of sad.

it's pathetic, but it's deeply seated in all fitness communities. difference is some pretend they are natty and keep it under the rug. here they treat it as just another facet of fitness, and even are lighthearted enough to call the general /fraud/
stop posting until you can blend in

I didn't lurk when I started shitposting 6 years ago and I don't intend to start now. You're alright, user.

This is for men in 180lbs class

>Don't know what else to tell you.
If you're really 6' then you should tell us your real weight

Big Boss/10

7/10. Average physique, OP.

i knew something was off

you're an absolute tank by the way dude, in physique and strength, kudos

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Test-bloat.

So OP is like 4 feet tall? Nice

Im 5'10 and at 170 people ask if Im a holocaust survivor jokingly. How do you look this big at 170?